http://www.t-nation.com/category.jsp?categoryID=40 T-Nation: Steroids en-us Wed, 22 May 2013 14:04:48 GMT Wed, 22 May 2013 14:04:48 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss T-Nation via P-APP-05 webmaster@biotest.net webmaster@biotest.net 40 60 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=2356081 What is Gyno?

Gynecomastia, or gynaecomastia, is the development of abnormally large mammary glands in males resulting in breast enlargement, which can sometimes cause secretion of milk. The term comes from the Greek gyne (stem gynaik-) meaning "woman" and mastos meaning "breast".

The condition can occur physiologically in neonates (due to female hormones from the mother), in adolescence, and in the elderly. In adolescent boys the condition is often a source of distress, but for the large majority of boys whose pubertal gynecomastia is not due to obesity, the breast development shrinks or disappears within a couple of years.

The causes of common gynecomastia remain uncertain, although it has generally been attributed to an imbalance of sex hormones or the tissue responsiveness to them; a root cause is rarely determined for individual cases.

Breast prominence can result from hypertrophy of breast tissue, chest adipose tissue and skin, and is typically a combination. Breast prominence due solely to excessive adipose is often termed pseudogynecomastia or sometimes lipomastia.

Gynecomastia should be distinguished from work hypertrophy of the pectoralis muscles caused by much exercise, e.g. swimming.



Some Causes:

Physiologic gynecomastia (also called Turcios Disease) occurs in neonates, at or before puberty and with aging. Many cases of gynecomastia are idiopathic, meaning they have no clear cause.

Potential pathologic causes of gynecomastia are: medications including hormones, increased serum estrogen, decreased testosterone production, androgen receptor defects, chronic kidney disease, chronic liver disease, HIV treatment, and other chronic illness.

Gynecomastia as a result of spinal cord injury and refeeding after starvation has been reported. In 25% of cases, the cause of the gynecomastia is not known.

Medications cause 10-20% of cases of gynecomastia in post-adolescent adults. These include cimetidine, omeprazole, spironolactone, imatinib mesylate, finasteride and certain antipsychotics.

Some act directly on the breast tissue, while others lead to increased secretion of prolactin from the pituitary by blocking the actions of dopamine (prolactin-inhibiting factor/PIF) on the lactotrope cell groups in the anterior pituitary.

Androstenedione, used as a performance enhancing food supplement, can lead to breast enlargement by excess estrogen activity. Medications used in the treatment of prostate cancer such as antiandrogens and GnRH analogs can also cause gynecomastia. Marijuana use is also thought by some to be a possible cause; however, published data is contradictory.

Increased estrogen levels can also occur in certain testicular tumors, and in hyperthyroidism. Certain adrenal tumors cause elevated levels of androstenedione which is converted by the enzyme aromatase into estrone, a form of estrogen. Other tumors that secrete hCG can increase estrogen.

A decrease in estrogen clearance can occur in liver disease, and this may be the mechanism of gynecomastia in liver cirrhosis. Obesity tends to increase estrogen levels.

Decreased testosterone production can occur in congenital or acquired testicular failure, for example in genetic disorders such as Klinefelter Syndrome. Diseases of the hypothalamus or pituitary can also lead to low testosterone.

Abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) has a similar effect. Mutations to androgen receptors, such as those found in Kennedy disease can also cause gynecomastia.

Although stopping these medications can lead to regression of the gynecomastia, surgery is sometimes necessary to eliminate the condition.

Repeated topical application of products containing lavender and tea tree oils among other unidentified ingredients to three prepubescent males coincided with gynecomastia; it has been theorised that this could be due to their estrogenic and antiandrogenic activity.

However, other circumstances around the study are not clear, and the sample size was insignificant so serious scientific conclusions cannot be drawn.



Treatment:

Treating the underlying cause of the gynecomastia may lead to improvement in the condition.

Patients should talk with their doctor about revising any medications that are found to be causing gynecomastia; often, an alternative medication can be ft avoids gynecomastia side-effects, while still treating the primary condition for which the original medication was found not to be suitable due to causing gynecomastia side-effects (e.g., in place of taking spironolactone the alternative eplerenone can be used.)

Selective estrogen receptor modulator medications, such as tamoxifen and clomiphene, or androgens or aromatase inhibitors such as Letrozole are medical treatment options, although they are not universally approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.

Endocrinological attention may help during the first 2-3 years. After that window, however, the breast tissue tends to remain and harden, leaving surgery (either liposuction, gland excision, skin sculpture, reduction mammoplasty, or a combination of these surgical techniques) the only treatment option.

Many American insurance companies deny coverage for surgery for gynecomastia treatment on the grounds that it is a cosmetic procedure.

Radiation therapy is sometimes used to prevent gynecomastia in patients with prostate cancer prior to estrogen therapy. Compression garments can camouflage chest deformity and stabilize bouncing tissue bringing emotional relief to some. There are also those who choose to live with the condition.



Possible treatment for Gyno using Letro:

SERM - Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.

Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI - Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI's prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.

Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and it's suggested that you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI.

Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. It's been said that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don't know if I buy into this for the reason that some have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe, it's recommended to start it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently.

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno, let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. It's recommended that people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone.

Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .125mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally, most have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM.

So, it's suggested that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot.

You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can't guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.






Other Links:

http://www.gynecomastia.org/
http://www.plasticsurgery.org/...FTOKEN=44259626
http://www.gynecomastia.com/




Credits due to C-Bino, Wikipedia, Gynecomastia.org, WebMD, eMedicine.com, Familydoctor.com, and Gynecomastia.com ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 09:04:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=2356081 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1879427
First off please don't email me asking for juice connections, I don't have any to give out. I am happy to help people with cycle plans but won't hook you up with a connection. I am not a medical professional, just a dude that knows a lot about juice so take my advice as just that.

So on to the guide...

you wanna learn about juice eh. Well the purpose of this thread is twofold:

1. There are way too many "this is my first cycle, does this look ok" threads junking up the steroid page and they all get the same response so I am going to try to save everyone some time. Read it. Re-read it until you understand it so you don't waste people's time with questions that have been asked a thousand times.

2. I would like to provide everyone that is trying to learn with a very quick and easy guide to understand how to put together a proper cycle that will match their goals. This is really the basis of what you need to know. My reasons are kinda selfish for this - I would like androgens to be legal for use (over the counter) in my country one day before I die; for this to happen we are gonna need to educate people so they stop fucking up and giving gear a bad name.

PART I - YOUR FIRST CYCLE

There seems to be two schools of thought on first cycles:

One camp says juice hard your first cycle (about 1-1.5g/week), primarily test (500-1000mg/w) and then a secondary compound and orals to make up the rest because you will make you best gains on your first so you might as well max it out. My issue with this approach is there is a very high potential for things to go wrong so you need to be really well prepared, well educated about dealing with sides, and you need to trust your ancilliary source (to mitigate side effects).

The other camp says use a moderate amount of test only *500-600mg/w) and use more test/different compounds on successive cycles to continue making gains. Save the Deca, Tren, Masteron, EQ, Winny, HGH, IGF-1, etc, etc that you have heard about to get more out of future cycles...chances are this isn't going to be the only cycle you run so add them into future cycles one at a time so you know what works best for you and you continue to see big gains in future cycles. They don't really work better than test, they just work different so you might as well start with just test to see how your body reacts to it...I will go over all the other compounds in the later sections so just forget about them until you understand this one.

I am not sure anymore which camp I am in...I think the more conservative one just because it is an easier learning process and a bit safer but that is not to say it will produce better gains. That would require a lot more research of both protocols head to head.

This is an ideal first cycle for everyone or at least a base to build on:

(NOTE - W X-Y means start of week X to end of week Y)

Cycle Plan
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)

This would be an example of a camp number 2 keep it simple cycle. You don't really need to get more complicated than this but if you want to below are some typical inclusions for a first cycle...

Optional secondary additions
W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d if you want an oral kickstart or just a little something extra thrown in mid cycle when your test is kicking in (seems most lately are going with the latter)
W 1-8 Deca 300mg/w if you want some additional bulking help
W 1-8 Tren Enth 150mg E3D if you want additional strength help
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d if you want some help with libido

Optional Ancilliaries
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms (itchy/tender nipples) start to show
W 1-10 Caber 0.5mg 2x/w if you are having prolactin issues (difficulty getting an erection when on tren or deca)
W 3-10 HCG 250iu 3x/w if you want to prevent your nuts from shrinking and make recovery easier

Post Cycle Therapy starts week 13

It is the same with either approach...you just have to make sure that your gear is cleared from your system before you start PCT (or it won't work because you will still be getting suppressed from the gear).

PCT Option 1 (SERM PCT)
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg 2x/d
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d or Clomid 25mg/d

PCT Option 2 (Test Stasis and Taper)
W 10-12 Off (if your cycle was enth 2 weeks is enough to drop down to normal levels)
W 13-14 Test Enth 40mg E3D (stasis portion to mimic normal hormone levels)
W 15-16 Test Enth 30mg E3D (taper portion)
W 17-18 Test Enth 20mg E3D
W 19-20 Test Enth 10mg E3D

The taper gradually takes your body below normal androgen levels slowly enough that it is able to kick in and compensate. There is a much more detailed explaination of this in the "Test Taper Protocol" sticky thread so I suggest you read that if you are interested in this approach.

Now that you know what to take lets talk about who should cycle and what to eat and train.

YOU SHOULD NOT CYCLE IF:

1. You are under the age of 25
The reason is that your natural test is still very high and you are able to make very good gains without gear. There is also a very good likelyhood that you are going to end up messing up your endocrine system because you are still in a period where it is fluctuating. If you are not making good gains you need to look at your training and nutrition. I personally waited until I was 27 to start taking gear even though I was ready to rock when I was 20 so I know how you feel but you need to trust that with proper diet and training you can make gains naturally. The rare exception is individuals with a lot of training experience in their teens who have already acheived a very high level of physical development (230lbs+) and is already at or near their genetic limit. If you are one of the rare individuals who has already reach a very high level of development through consistent training the absolute earliest you should consider gear is 20.

2. You are over 25 but have been training less than 5 years
If you have not been working your ass off in the gym for at least 5 years naturally with good nutrition you have a lot of natural potential left. It is best to exhaust as much of your natural potential possible before resorting to gear. Gear should be the final piece of the puzzle to your ideal physique. By gearing up too soon you may be short changing yourself.

3. Your diet and training is crap
Gear is not a magical pill. It makes hard work more rewarding, it doesn't give results for doing nothing. All you will get is some temporary water retention which will be gone when your cycle ends. Diet and training on gear is everything. Period. You should have a very good idea of what you are going to eat (including macronutrient breakdown) and what your training plan is going to be. If you aren't already eating properly you can make some very good gains by doing so first naturally. If you aren't already training properly you can make some very good gains naturally...make use of that then think about gear. This site has a wealth of info on both topics. If your training and diet is off you will just waste your money doing a cycle.

4. You are a fat guy looking to get "cut", "ripped", or "shredded"
If you are a big fatso and think gear is going to make you slim and jacked it isn't going to happen. Fatloss comes from proper diet and training. If you can't cut down without the gear you will have just as much trouble on the gear. If you are looking for something to aid fatloss try a fatburner and then add on muscle once you have cut down.

It will look a lot more impressive and be a lot more successful....again this site has a wealth of info on losing fat...I highly recommend checking out the Velocity Diet that Gus is doing in the Physique Clinic...it shows what proper training and dieting can do. The anabolic diet is great for guys, I suggest checking it out as well because if you are fat you are likely fairly insulin resistant so cutting carbs will likely provide very damatic results. You get to eat a lot and because of what you are eating your natural testosterone will be high.

Cutting cycles are run by vets that already know what they are doing, have diet and nutrition down, and are just looking for the last little tweak to their already lean physique. Once you have achevied that status you can look at cutting cycles.

5. You are emotionally unstable
Gear can mess with your emotions. If you are an unhappy/depressed person that thinks being geared up is going to make your life better chances are you are going to feel good for a little while when on and then when you come off you are going to be lower than when you started and likely downright suicidal.

If you are a livewire that goes off in a rage when you drink, do drugs, or when someone pushes your buttons guess what? Gear is going to make this worse. If you have trouble controlling your anger then gear will make it more difficult. You will likely end up acting like a bit of a maniac and alienate your friends.

If you have answered yes to any of the above 5 questions you are not ready for gear.

Read this. Re-read this. Let it sink in. Then read everything in the Newbie thread stickied right beside this thread if you haven't already. Then come up with a plan that works best for you based on YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GEAR. Post it on the board and get feedback once you know that you are serious and have most of the details figured out.

Happy lifting.

FG ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 03:29:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1879427 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=4176951
I will try and add more threads to this list, there are so many good ones I can't possibly claim this is comprehensive.

Cycle Plans/Logs

- rrjc's "Test/Tren/Dbol/G6":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/.../testtrendbolg6

- Cortes' "Test/Tren/Dbol run":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...esttrendbol_run

- jMill2's 2on2off plan:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ek_cycle_layout

- tw2battl2's summer cycle:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...st_proptrenmast

- Kayveeay's log:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._ovt_summer_log

- BBB's "My Current State of the Art":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...tate_of_the_art

(Note that this will be hopelessly outdated compared to what BBB would do now, but it's interesting anyway.)

Steroids

- Bill Roberts debunking the Tren progestin myth:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ptor_activation

- BBB on nutrient repartitioning properties of Tren:
https://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ng_vs_body_temp

Peptides

- Cortes' "BBB's HGH Protocol":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...s_hgh_protocol_

- Cortes' "The HGH Experiment":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...hgh_experiement

- BBB on insulin pre-workout:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...before_training

- Dirty Gerdy's GHRP6 log:
http://velocity.T-Nation.com/...gerdy_ghrp6_run

- Nidal's "Mesomorphic Condition":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._hgh_experiment

(This has numerous tidbits and summaries of old threads that people probably won't read through.)

- Bill Roberts and DLB on GHRP-6 rehab dosing:
https://tnation.T-Nation.com/...p6_rehab_dosing

- BBB/DRG's PGF2a log
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...herhood_of_pain

Ancillaries

- Westclock's Pramipexole experiences:
https://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ole_experiences

- BBB and KSMan on Selegiline/Deprynyl:
http://tnation.tmuscle.com/...egilinedeprenyl

- tmhlbrk's Cabergoline thread:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...trencabergoline

Homebrew

- Bill Roberts on removing estradriol benzoate from Synovex:
http://velocity.T-Nation.com/...n_to_tren_cycle

- Bill Roberts on Finaplix conversion:
https://tnation.T-Nation.com/...nt_fina_formula

- Discussion of BA/BB ratios and filtering:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._ratio_for_babb

- Discussion on how to make painless gear:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...mebrew_painless

General

- Bill Roberts on frontloading:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ontloading_test

- Morepain on site injections:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ion_enhancement

- Bill Roberts on recovery time and tapering:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._between_cycles

- Morepain, Bill, and BBB on backloading monojects:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._oilbased_shots

- Prisoner's "Post Your Pre-AAS Physique":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...as_physique_pic

- DOHCrazy and others on dealing with acne:
https://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._i_did_about_it

- Discussion on the feeling of being "on":
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ing_of_being_on

- The VG site:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...uteal_injection ]]> Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:01:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=4176951 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5661159 Wed, 22 May 2013 13:48:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5661159 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5660864
stats: age 25
weight : 197lbs
BF - around 14
goal is to get bigger and leaner

I am currently on a test cycle at 500 a week. Also taking var 80mg a day for 6 weeks (mostly for extra strength.)
im on my 11th week at the moment. started at a weight of 184lbs (on creatine). I was initially taking lots of carbs at the begging of my cycle but my body fat jumped way too high 17%(was at 206lbs two months in the cycle with maybe lots of water weight).

Drinking too many weight gainer shakes and eating too many complex carbs and high protein at the time. Pretty high fat maybe around 60 - 80 gs a day maybe even more, Protein was and still is around the 324gs mark. I had been reading ellis post on here about a high fat low carb med protein diet. After 3 weeks of doing it im at 197 and around 13.5-14.5 bf. It Changes over the weekend.

i try to have some carbs mostly on the weekend. during the week i keep my carb consumption to just under 60gs a day which is all from veggies..maybe even less than 40. Im just wondering if this is ideal for good lean muscle gain as opposed to high carb diets? Definitely a little painful consuming so much fat (heachaches nausea at times). And my strength has suffered, All the fat i consume is from olive oil. Just picked up some coconut oil yesterday to change things up a bit.. what do you think and what advice can you
give me.

will be going on a test+tren cycle in the future and hoping to make some great gains.
any advice would be appreciated. my first post so take it easy on me.


heres what i eat in a day

morning 8 am two scoops of protein plus 3 tbs of olive oil
10 am - 7 hardboiled eggs
12pm - 2 4oz chicken breast with diffrent kinds of peppers (red green orange yellow) and brocoli followed by 3-4 tbs of olive oil
3pm - same as 12 pm
5 30pm - same as 8 am
after workout around 830 - 2 scoops of protein only
10pm chicken and veggies again.. sometimes 4 tilapia slices with veggies and then again 3 tbs olive oil

1130 or before bed half a tub of greek yogurt (now will be taking cocunut oil)

what does everyone think. I am getting around 4500 cals a day
k here we go..... ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 13:23:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5660864 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5651176 W1-18Tren E 840mg /week 120mg/ED .6ml
W1-20EQ 700mg /week 100mg/ED .4ml


im going to throw in an Oral or two at some point. Thinking about winny about week 3-9 @ 100mg ED. and maybe some Dbol or drol the last 6 weeks (week 14-20) or i might reverse the order of the 2 orals.

thinking about going on a 6-8 week body recomp then trying to blow up to about 230+ by week 20. ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 13:15:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5651176 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5539198 The decision has been made, I am coming off cycle after 8 months and attempting to restart the testes into producing again.

I went on cycle around June last year (thanks to a very helpful chap who sorted me out while I was in the USA, you know who you are ;-) ).
Since then I have had some cruise periods but mainly been blasting with 100mg Test Prop EOD, did a run of around 6 weeks with low test/high tren, and a cutter involving some DNP, T3, clen etc (not all at the same time before you start crying lol).

As it stands right now:
Test Prop - 25mg EOD
hCG - 375iu 2x/wk

This week I am sticking to 25mg EOD as it is valentines day and as you may be aware I cannot have any problems in the sack so to speak.
As of next week I will drop that dose to 20mg EOD, then 15mg EOD and so on.
I will also taper the hCG, I know that is not the recommended protocol but I have modified it to give me the best chance of recovering. I feel I cannot afford to remove the hCG as I see testicular atrophy VERY quickly if I miss a shot.
Alongside this I will start 20mg ED TAMOXIFEN also.

Bloods have been taken last week (no real point as LH/FSH will be rock bottom) but they wont hurt anyway.
I will have bloods drawn again roughly around the 15mg EOD point to see the effects on LH/FSH, to see if indeed I am starting to recover according to Prisoners theory of no suppression below 100mg/wk of Test. However will the hCG give a false LH reading? Hmmm...

Observations so far:
LESS ENERGY
MORE DOMS
NO DEPRESSION
NO MOOD SWINGS
NO IMPACT ON LIBIDO
WEAKER ERECTIONS

SB ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 13:00:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5539198 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5657041
twice a week for 8 weeks then my pct was from gnc. so i lost a good amount of the gains.

this time i have plained better i have nolvadex and clomid for pct. the gear i used was

equipoise300 test400 for 8 weeks 1cc of each 2 times a week.

im 34years old 6ft4in 265lbs i havent gained a bunch of weight this time but the weight

changes greatly. i work out 5 days a week 5am-7am my waist is down from 38 inchs to

under 34 i added cardio into my work out plain. i eat like a horse noodles rice meat

meat meat protine drinks creatine monohydrate flax seed fish oil n2o plus a preworkout.

my question is i want to kick my next cycle up a little bit. i can get all the names u

tend to hear about. equipoise deca susts all the tests plus pill steriods n pct. i want

to saftly do a mass building cycle. any ideas on what would be a good combo? i hope its

ok starting a thread asking this. i have read lots of articles and they never seem to

fit my body type age exc.

question number 2 is the test 400 is a blend of 6 different tests the test 250 i used

was cypinate the 250 seemed to be stronger.

thanks new guy ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 12:02:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5657041 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5658501
I started to pin just test 1 ml on sat 5-11 and my second on Tuesday both are 1 ml. I was gonna start the tren on my 3rd week that way I will have the first 3 weeks and last 2 weeks of just test. Then I was also thinking about running a otc pct. I have 21 clomed the web site I ordered off of just gave me for my order. was gonna do that 2 weeks after my last pin.

Right now I feel like I can eat, screw, and lift anything. I like the feeling of the skin stretching. I started a PH 3 weeks before my first pin. In two days I run out of that.

I was told that a 10 ml bottle should last 10 weeks but I just don't see how. my dosage is low since it's a 250 mg vile. ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 04:48:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5658501 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656233
Under what circumstances would nolvadex be superior?

Also, is there any difference between nolvadex and tamoxifen or are they the exact same drug?

Thanks. ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 00:36:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656233 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5647058 Wed, 22 May 2013 00:35:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5647058 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5659326 I just came up with a random thought (not sure if its alredy a sticky).. one thing i have noticed with the majority of the articles here, is that lots of acronyms are used in place of the actual words; pct,eod,pip ect ect...it took me some time through research to figure out alot of the meanings, so i figured why not start a thread with all the acronyms and their meanings for all new to the site/to better assist any guys looking to "take the plunge" and are doing thorough research before doing so..i know i wouldve appreciated it in the beginning.. thoughts??!! ]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 00:10:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5659326 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655333
Any ideas on how to correct the issue or at least help it out? I didn't really see a search function on the site, so I apologize if this has been posted before. I read elsewhere that it might be due to a high red blood cell count. Any ideas? ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 20:59:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655333 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5659549
Another thing is that the bottles seal has obviously had needles poked through it. He claimed that his source mixed it right in front of him(the 4 esters). I supposed the questions are: How oily should this stuff be?(should it coat the inside of the bottle very well when I turn the vial). Should I tell the guy I want my money back?

All that being said, the guy I got it from showed me other test he got from his source, which has been the type for cattle(it had a cow on the bottle I'm pretty sure). So... what's up guys?

Thanks in advance for advice. ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 19:25:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5659549 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655751

IGF-1 LR3: 2x25 mcg shot EOD over 40 days
CJC 1295 w DAC â?? 2mg per week; 1mg Tuesday and 1mg Friday
HGH Frag 176-191 at 250-500mcg per day over approx. 10 weeks.


In particular, I wanted to get opinions on how long to run the CJC and if that's a good timeframe for the Frag. I'm concerned about suppression. The reason for the limit of 40 days for the IFG based on my research and speaking to people. Thoughts welcome. Thanks! ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 13:41:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655751 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655682
Anyways, does this sound at all like antibody resistance? I am VERY concerned that I might have shut down my own natural hgh. Are there any recommendations with respect to tests that can be done to check for this? Should I dump the rest of my gh? Any feedback would be appreciated. ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 12:02:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655682 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656110
weeks 1-4 dbol 37.5 mg a day
weeks 1-12 test e 500mg/week

i did not get the test flu til week 2.5, now I get the flu after every injection and run a low grade fever 99.5-99.8 degrees

my glute has a hard mass after every injection the size of a tennis ball and is red/hot, everything points to an infection so am i really getting an infection every time??? I have terrible workouts because I'm always achy and fatigued


can anyone help??????? ]]> Tue, 21 May 2013 02:35:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656110 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656722 Tue, 21 May 2013 00:38:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656722 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5657033 Mon, 20 May 2013 16:40:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5657033 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5653864
The video will be editied using finalcut pro and motion so it's a legitamit ad, this is for my tv news editing class. Now i dont agree with the whole "anti" part, but since it involves gear it caught my attention. This WILL be on tv, so make it great! thanks. ]]> Mon, 20 May 2013 16:38:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5653864 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5641012
Up to 3 weeks ago, 200 mg of Test Cyp. a week, no AI. 3 weeks ago I added Anastrozole 1 mg per week when I pinned once a week. Last week I upped to 300 mg Test Cyp 1 mg Anastrozole. I want to up my Test to 400 mg and my AI to 2 mg. I understand this is no longer TRT and I am turning to the dark side. What do you think ow Darth Vader?

Thanks for your time! ]]> Mon, 20 May 2013 15:33:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5641012 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656528 Sun, 19 May 2013 19:45:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656528 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648254
I will have my protein carbs shake lets say at 10 post workout with the slin shot. At 11 I will eat a good meal of chicken and sweat potatoes.so can i take the gh shot at 1? Or should I place it somewhere where there is at least 3,4 hours no carbs intake? Like in the after noon for example??

Thanks. ]]> Sun, 19 May 2013 14:44:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648254 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654777 Sun, 19 May 2013 18:02:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654777 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655702
Im just thinking that if your injecting a hormone that is primarily excreted when sleeping it might reduce the need to sleep as much.

Thanks ]]> Sun, 19 May 2013 04:04:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655702 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656702 I am 36 (almost 37), 6' 205ish at around 12%bf (haven't had it tested in a while, but I have access to a dexa scan at work, so I may do that after I get back.

Been lifting since I was 17, got more serious about it in 97 and have kept it that way ever since (with some breaks due to work). I am currently doing 531 (with some additions I made), so here are numbers based on that:

Squat - 440
Bench - 300
Dead - 400
Pullup - + 100
Military Press - 155

NOTE: these are all training maxes, haven't tested 1RMs in a while.

Now, why does the title say 'first' cycle? Glad you asked...

Back when I was 23, I did my first cycle made up of leftovers from a couple buddies' cycles. Sust 250 and Deca. Good solid base, right? Yeah, I used no AIs or SERMs, no PCt whatsoever. And to make it even better, I did a 5 week cycle while prepping for my second MMA fight because I ahd to fight HW and the guy I was fighting was reportedly 240 (he lost weight in prep, I gained to 212 so he ended up only having about 10ish pounds on me).

Over the course of that 5 week cycle, I worked up to 1000mgs per week of Sust, and I believe 600mgs of Deca. Gained a bunch of weight, but was bloated like a beached whale, with bacne so bad a coworker asked if I had been hit with a cactus. Needless to say, gassed hard during the fight, and the last 30-45 seconds was us both circling the ring, not really wanting to touch each other. And yes, I lost.

So. Aside from a short run of Primo and Anavar (gained maybe 5 pounds), and playing around with PHs and some paper steroids in the early aughts, I have never done a solid, well-planned cycle. At my age and training experience, I am right at my genetic limit, based on some 'genetic potential' calculators I found online (which I would link, but I did that in another thread and got my peepee slapped). So, I am researching to plan out a good solid cycle, basically calling myself a beginner (and trying to forget that hideous first try).

So here's what I'm thinking:

Weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-10 Masteron E 300-400mg/week (haven't decided yet)
Weeks 12-16 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 ED
Either T-Bol or Anavar as a jump start, maybe DBol instead with Anavar later. Hell, if I can find it cheap enough, maybe run Anavar the whole time for the extra strength gains.

Thinking a basic cycle, good size and strength gains without getting too big (sudden massive growth would raise some eyebrows at my place of employment). Was also thinking about BBB's HGH Protocol, but figure that would be too much for a first cycle, maybe down the road.

Thoughts? ]]> Sun, 19 May 2013 05:05:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5656702 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654519
I have decided to do a cycle.

I'm up to 200 pounds which is the heaviest I have been. I'm 5 foot 9 inchs, about 10 percent body fat.

I had planned to do a 10 week cycle. Monday and thursday injections. 2 ml a week so 500 mg of test (4 different esters/sustanon).

For PCT I have Nolvadex on hand here, was going to start about 2 and a half weeks after last injection and run for four weeks. 40/40/20/20.

Did my first injection today. I must say I have been having some anxiety about the whole thing. I've got a pretty annoying pain in my leg know, feels like someone charlie horsed me.

My fiance and I have one daughter now she is one and a half, my fiance wants at least one more kid maybe two.

Mainly I'm worried about long term effects of this. Are my test levels going to return to what they are now? Is my fertility going to be affected by this.

I've did some research and found other people have had issues with low t after cycles but this is also with multiple compounds, test plus deca, test plus deca plus winstrol etc...

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam.
]]> Sat, 18 May 2013 13:33:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654519 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5618126 I know theres plenty of good info on this topic here, and a great sticky by "prisoner", but i figured id ask anyway: Today is Thursday, i had my first injection of Test E 250mg on Tuesday, and have experienced a growing pain in my ass cheek (top right corner). There is no swelling or bruising, just a pain like i was going crazy on the squat rack. I know this could just be a case of a "virgin injection site", but i figured id ask to see if any of you have experienced similar pain with your first cycle. Thanks ]]> Sat, 18 May 2013 07:07:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5618126 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655082
I started my cycle and increases cals by 400 per day. For the first 4 weeks, I saw moderate strength gains, and some increased fullness. After week 6, strength was continuing to increase slowly, size not at all so I increased cals to 800 per day over maintenance. I also increased dosage to 700mg/week thinking it may be underdosed.

Over the last 2 weeks, my gut and ass have started to get bigger and I'm looking softer all over. I'm not looking forward to ending my 10 week cycle 2 weeks from now looking softer than when I started.

So, my questions:

Do I finish my cycle strong and then try and cut the fat away over the next 2 months since I'll have the hormonal support of TRT? or,

Do I go on a high protein, low overall calorie diet right now for the next 2 weeks hoping to cut while I'm still on? or,

something I haven't even thought of yet? ]]> Sat, 18 May 2013 02:35:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5655082 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648372
If you could get any performance enhancing drug for free with no risks attached to acquiring whatsoever at total convenience for the rest of your life, what would be your ideal stack? ]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:13:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648372 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654824
With that said though, are there any steroids which are notorious for their toxicity or side effects compared to others?

Are there any you would avoid personally due to a bad experience with them in the past?

Thing is I have suffered with depression most of my life so I'm worried about the psychological side effects that some steroids may have. ]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 17:29:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654824 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654568
So heres mine: I'm 32 5'7 175 first Test cycle ever. I did my first glute injection Mon 5/13 I thought everything went great
I watched online videos split the left cheek into 4 sections went with the top left area wiped alcohol on area b4 & after,needle was straight,no air in syringe,
let oil drip on needle & didn't even notice the needle had already pierced my skin, went straight in no pain at all injected slowly
maybe 90-120 seconds max. pulled out slowly, messaged area & went to work. about 3 hours later. Crazy soreness kicked in could barely walk
that evening got slight fever 100.7 woke up next day couldn't even pick my leg up or bend down to tie my work boots, fever persisted for 2 days max temp 101.9 popped a few advil & felt better. Now on day 4 I'm better still sluggish though. & I noticed after my shower my left cheek was red about the size of a hand around my injection site & its hot! I touch it & it takes 3 seconds for my finger imprint to fade out.

Not sure if this is normal? Any advice is appreciated. ]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 12:16:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654568 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5653333
First some stats:
I am 26, 6-3 tall, 240, I was 280 a year ago, started to eat better and dropped 20 lbs, started to excercise better and got to 240, typical day: 7am yogurt and fruit, 10 am nutrient bar, 12pm turkey or chicken sandwich, 3pm fruit or turkey jerky, 6pm meat and potatoes with salad, 10 pm vegetables with low fat dip.

I do renovation work so I already burn a good amount of calories per day. I have been running 3-4 days a week plus play hockey 2 hours a week. I have had multiple surgeries on my shoulders and have generally bad joints (elbows and knees in particular). I plan on getting down to 220 by July before starting the following:

Week 1-14 400mg deca
week 1-16 600mg test

My friend has suggested this based on deca helping with joints and test to counteract "deca dick". Please tell me what you think. ]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 02:51:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5653333 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654339
Are all these testosterone variants pretty much the same? ]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 01:35:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5654339 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=2282142
Here is a scenario that I read all too often on the boards:


A user has injected and a day later is having lots of pain and swelling to his injection site.

There are normally 3 reasons why this would occur.

The first reason is that the injectable used contained too much preservative such as benzyl alcohol which will cause tissue damage, and stimulate a local inflammatory response. The pain from this can be moderate and go away in a few days, or it can be severe and take almost a week to subside.

It really depends on how much BA was in the solution injected and how much volume was injected. Normally the pain and inflammation can be controlled with Ice and anti-inflammatory such as Advil and after about the 3rd day, the user should notice a gradual subsiding of the symptoms.

The site should be swollen, and slightly red, but that swelling should be inside the muscle, and should begin to dissipate on the third day along with the pain. This is a slow progression though and could take as long as a week to ten days to fully go away, the key is it will slowly get better, not worse or stay the same.

The 2nd scenario is if you hit the lymphatic system with one of your injections.

The lymphatic system is a network of vessels that flow through your body. It is as extensive as your vascular system, and contains nodes at different parts are like storage depots or garrisons where White cells can accumulate for action.

The important thing to note is that the odds of coming into contact with the lymphatic system, as long as you stick to the conventionally recommended sites of IM injection are very small.

(The recommended sites are deltoids, ventogluteal (side of hip/ buttocks) , dorsal gluteus (back of buttocks top outer corner), vastus lateralis ( abductor lateral (outer side) of quadriceps).

But if you start doing �??site�?? injections, such as pectorals, biceps, inner quads etc. then you run much higher risk of hitting lymphatic tissue and disruption of ducts.

Lymphatic disruption is caused when you puncture into the area. Since it is fluid, but not blood, it has no means of initial clotting so the fluid will continue to flow into surrounding areas causing extreme localized swelling and pain.

The swelling will then track up wards along the lymphatic system. The edema that is caused will also include surface edema �?? i.e. if you indent the area with your finger, the finger mark will remain. That is called �??pitting edema�??.

This edema comes on strong and fast, by the following day it is at its worst. There is normally no redness or �??heat�?? at the site, just swelling and pain.

Ice and Advil can be helpful, but it usually takes a week for the swelling to dissipate, and for up to 10 days before you can resume training that body part, as the swelling can be so bad, it will limit your range of motion and flexibility in the muscle injected.

The Keys to note are that this usually occurs in an unconventional injection site, and there the swelling comes on quickly, and then doesn�??t get worse. There is very little redness, and heat at the site. The site will have pitting edema, where as injection caused by too much BA has no pitting edema.

The third scenario is an injection site infection.

An infection can be caused by a few different factors but key is that you have introduced a bacterium into your muscle that doesn�??t belong there, and is now invading your body.

This can be because what you injected was contaminated, because the needle you used was contaminated, or simply you just didn�??t swab well enough either on the vial or your injection site.

The first thing that happens when you inject some gear is that the bacterium will cause a localized inflammatory response. That includes swelling, and redness, and heat to the area, very similar to if you had injected gear with a high BA content. What follows is that the infection will progress, and your body�??s immune system will put in steps to defend itself.

Ice and Advil may help the pain, and temporarily blunt the swelling, but if you withdraw the therapy, the swelling continues to get worse. By the third day you will notice pitting edema to the area, unlike the lymphatic caused edema that occurs earlier then the third day.

Inside, the body will be attempting to contain the infection by forming a barrier around the infected area which is called a cyst. If the body is successful the infection can remained contained in that pocket and the body will slowly fight it.

However the cyst can continue to grow in size taking up more and more of the muscle belly as cyst formation is not a guarantee that the body is able to kill the infection; it is just a way of slowing its spread.

Without cyst formation, the infection will reach the blood stream and that is when systemic symptoms will start occurring such as high fever, and limb swelling �?? and a gradual progression to systemic septic shock.

We won�??t get into this here other than to say, if you felt a fever coming on, then the only place you should be worrying about getting to is the closets Emergency department, as your life could literally be in peril. Once septic shock begins, if it is not caught soon enough it becomes impossible to stop the process regardless of how young and healthy you are; you will die.

So, back to the beginning, if it is the 3rd day, and you are beginning to develop the symptoms I discussed �?? the pitting edema, and the swelling and pain along with HEAT at the site of injection that is not subsiding, then you pretty much can surmise that you have yourself an abscess.

By finding the original spot that you injected and pressing down with a finger tip, it should be soft and boggy, there should be a finger indentation left in the skin, and there may also be a slight discoloration to the area.

So what is needed to fix this, and reverse this as soon as possible so that the least amount of damage is done to your muscle?

You need to get the infection out as soon as possible. Treating this with straight antibiotics may not quickly kill off the infection as the area will have been sealed off by the body so that the bacteria cannot utilize the vascular system to spread.

In that same token, the antibiotics may not be effectively delivered in a fast enough time period to quickly kill off the infection, putting a halt to the infection�??s progression.

Aspiration is a necessity and should be done as soon as you have confirmed that it is indeed an infection.

By inserting an needle syringe combo directly into the site in the exact path that your original injection took, and using a large gauge needle �?? 18 or even larger 16 gauge needle, (make sure to swab really well before hand, and have sterile gauze to cover the site following) insert the needle with the syringe empty, and once you have inserted it an 1/8 inch or so begin to aspirate as you slowly sink the needle in depth.

You will know when you hit the abscess, as you will quickly suck up a small quantity of fluid that will resemble bloody, but purulent (yellow tinge to it) puss and some remnants of the injection fluid, whether it was suspension or oil.

Expect to aspirate at least as much as you injected and possible ½ mL more, however sometimes you won�??t find anything, and it usually is because you either aspirated too early �?? i.e. you didn�??t wait until the third or 4th day, or it isn�??t an infection, or you just plain missed the site which really is hard to do.

If you don�??t aspirate, you could end up with an ugly hole in your muscle.

Physicians are reluctant to aspirate thinking that they will give the antibiotics a chance to do the trick rather than spending the extra time to pull out the infection. Many times they leave it up to the patient to decide this matter, and will order a course or oral antibiotics.

The problem is, a lot of times the oral antibiotics will not work, and the patient will have to come back for IV therapy, and at this time aspiration may not be an option �??but rather surgical debridement�?? because the abscess has formed a large hole.

What will work, and works best with minimal harm is rapid diagnosis of the problem by the user at home, and rapid treatment. That means drawing out the infection, and going to the emergency department. You can bring the syringe with you to show the contents to the Nurse, and physician.

It will certainly get you seen quicker. The doctor at that point will likely prescribe an oral antibiotic called Keflex (cephalaxen) This is a relatively side effect free medication that will work well and quickly if you have drawn out the infection. It will work poorly If you do not get the abscess drained.

So if you do not aspirate the area yourself, insist the doctor does it who is prescribing the antibiotics.

If all this is done properly, within a week you will be back to normal, and may not even miss any training time. You can train like normal through the antibiotic course, and you don�??t have to stop your cycle. As long as your symptoms continue to lessen there is no need for follow up with your Doctor.

Don�??t be afraid to go see your physician about this as there is no judgment they can place against you. They are bound to treat you for whatever illness you have regardless of how it was caused.

Finally, make absolute sure to finish the entire course of antibiotics you are prescribed! We don�??t want to be breeding super bugs fueled by steroids now do we!
]]> Thu, 16 May 2013 18:35:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=2282142 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5651788
I am in the middle of my first cycle. And i am seeing really great progress so fare :)
just had my 7th pin this monday.

stats:
28 years old.
180 cm height.
85 -> 93kg
BF% is about the same - about 16%


The lifts
press 70 -> 82,5
Deadlift 200->220
bench 1x120 -> 3x130
squat 1x140 ->8x140

cycle
1-4 30mg dbol
1-10 500mg test

PCT 2 weeks after last pin:
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 70/70/35/35

The thing is, I am playing with the idea about throwing anavar in the mix for 4 weeks here in the end leading up to the pct.
what could i expect? will it kill my liver, or are the â??over 4 weeks of orals, your liver will dieâ?? exaggerated ?
I dont drink alcohol, i drink alot of water and take liver a supplement and i eat pretty clean.

am i just being stupid now â??more wants moreâ??? ]]> Thu, 16 May 2013 14:16:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5651788 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648846
The cycle was 10 weeks of Sustanon 250 mg/week and Equipoise 540 mg/week, and then two weeks of Testosterone Propionate only, 300 mg/week. Then followed PCT with Nolvadex 20 mg/day for four weeks. It is now 0.5 weeks after Nolvadex, 4.5 weeks after Propionate , 6.5 weeks after Sustanon/Equipoise.

With these dosages I expect all esters to have cleared out of my system a few weeks ago. Right now I have typical symptoms of low test: tired, depressed, etc, so I went to the lab to see what this looks like in blood work. Expected close to zero test, some E2, low LH, etc.

Check this out:

Total testosterone : 730 (280-1100), my normal off cycle is around 450.
Estradiol: 22.27 (11-44) How can it be so low at such a high testosterone? (Is the non sensitive assay though)
LH: 9.91 (2-12)
FSH: 2.65 (1.5-12.4)
Hematocrit: 51.5% (high, no surprise)
Everything else within normal ranges.

Perhaps the Nolvadex during PCT elevated the LH which in turn elevated testosterone, thats the theory anyway. But with these good numbers why am I still feeling totally out of shape? I should feel great. The only value that makes sense is the low FSH.

Can anyone make some sense out of this?

FYI, my other values, the ones that differ at all from my normal values:

Triglycerides up slightly, to be expected. However Cholesterol, HDL and LDL unaffected, which is a surprise.

Blood glucose down, probably unimportant.

Urea Nitrogen BUN up.

AST / SGOT at top of range, could be my liver is working hard or Im overtrained.

WBC at lower end.

Free T4 at higher end, but other Thyroid values normal.

I also asked for Albumin and SHBG but they forgot to do them. Next time. ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 21:11:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5648846 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5652346 How severe is this? How close to failure am I? I read that once levels exceed 5x normal levels, then they begin to investigate. So, is 8 times really cause for alarm?

Im on day 12 of a 30/30/x/x/x/x cycle of Epistane. I've stopped and have hopped up on dat dere Nolv. Past cycles have been two Halodrol cycles (dosages up to 150mg)
I am 19 years old.
Ive been sick and bedridden for 3 days, which I thought was just a nasty ass kratom hangover (first time doing a high dose), so I did not wanna see the doc. But after 3 days I figured I'd go in.

Doc does not know about my use/abuse. They want more tests now. I drank the weekend before I started but haven't since beginning the cycle. I'm most likely going to be upfront and honest with my Doc, but if this isn't as severe as I'm making it out to be, then I don't want to. Just being honest.
Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 20:38:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5652346 http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5652776
New to the forum. I feel that you guys should be able to help me out with my current situation.

Stats:
Age:24
Gender: Male
Weight: 230lbs
BF: 12%
Height: 6'

Medical Conditions:
ADHD

I first started lifting at age 17 learned the basics about bodybuilding and nutrition and have been an active student ever since. I was soo immersed in the whole bodybuilding circle that I made a decision to be a bodybuilder. At the time it seemed like what I wanted to do but my interests have since changed. I ran my first cycle at age 19.

The meds I take for ADHD(Stimulants and AD for anxiety)seriously destroyed my QOL I was constantly tired,no appetite, mood swings the whole deal but I needed them to function. Long story short I decided to blast and cruise instead of coming off BAD DECISION I know trust me I regret it but Ive been on for so long now that I fear I might not be able to recover.

Over the course of 4 years, I cruised with the following,

200mg Test E( 2 SC shots/wk)
50mg aromasin(ED)
HCG (250iu X2 / WK)

My blasts which I would do once a year would be low doses of Tren E and Mast E(200mg each) for 10 weeks. These low doses worked well for me provided my diet and training was in check and given that Im on other medications for ADHD I have to worry about my Blood pressure and other factors.

So basically whats bothering me right now is my testicles have shrunk a lot and I know it could have been avoided for the most part if i was taking hcg continuously but I was too ignorant at the time.

At the start of 2013 I started including hcg into my cruise and it helped me but at the moment Im experiencing a lot of acne and gyno which I know is being caused by the HCG. Also, Ive noticed my testicles respond better to a higher dose of hcg(500iux2/wk) I get a sense of well being and my libido comes back but the trade off is the acne and gyno again. If I stop HCG my skin clears up and the gyno goes away but my testicles shrink up real fast again and i start feeling terrible again. Im unable to figure out how to continue using hcg at a good enough dose to get them to recover in terms of size and still avoid the acne and gyno.

Any help would be appreciated.

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I have been working on my diet alot I just find it hard to eat as many full meals a day as I know is necessary for me to bulk up the way I'd like to. I eat good foods though, alot of potatoes/rice/pastas and beef/chicken/pork. I am taking Mutant Mass right now which is a weight gaining supplement with 1400 calories, 80g's of protein,180g's of carbs per serving. I have just been running 500mg/week of test prop just to start me off because my guy didnt have tren/cyp a few weeks ago. I plan on running this tren/cyp cycle for 8-12 weeks depending how my body is doing with the tren. Also for my PCT I dont know what to do but I can get whatever gear I need so any help with that would be appreciated as well.

Can I get some advice on how I should pin it, doses and schedule. Also any comments about diet I would appreciate and any other info anybody has. Really just trying to bulk up and get to 205 lbs or so. Thanks for any insight guys ]]> Wed, 15 May 2013 19:06:00 GMT http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=5649042