The Intelligent & Relentless Pursuit of Muscle™
Politics and World Issues
 
The Culture Wars: The Radical Progressives' Agenda
 

therajraj
Level 1

Join date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10951

ZEB wrote:
Makavali wrote:
ZEB is probably one of the few people I would have a problem with face to face on this site. For all the disagreements I have with the so-called conservatives, the majority of them are good people when it comes down to it. At the end of the day, I would happily buy a round for most of them.

Not ZEB.

ZEB, your supposed age grants you nothing, your willful misinterpreting of posts makes you a fool.

No one has denied the 61% statistic, they are denying what YOU have labeled the cause. You are as bad as the celebrities who preach messages of ignorance about vaccines and homeopathic medicine from a platform of fear and ignorance.



You wouldn't have a beer with me? Oh no what will I ever do?

As to the facts (ouch you hate those things) my assertion was that over all homosexuals are their own worst enemy because of the poor choices that they make. When asked to post evidence I posted statistics from the CDC to demonstrate my point. That more than half of all new HIV cases in the US are from homosexuals is a staggering statistics. Especially considering that gay men are at most a population of 4%. And this clearly demonstrates that many homosexual men (certainly not all and never said all) are making poor choices.

http://www.cdc.gov/...inal508comp.pdf



So then you would agree that it's important to educate youth about contraception and safe sex practices?

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

ZEB
Level

Join date: Sep 2003
Posts: 19363

therajraj wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Makavali wrote:
ZEB is probably one of the few people I would have a problem with face to face on this site. For all the disagreements I have with the so-called conservatives, the majority of them are good people when it comes down to it. At the end of the day, I would happily buy a round for most of them.

Not ZEB.

ZEB, your supposed age grants you nothing, your willful misinterpreting of posts makes you a fool.

No one has denied the 61% statistic, they are denying what YOU have labeled the cause. You are as bad as the celebrities who preach messages of ignorance about vaccines and homeopathic medicine from a platform of fear and ignorance.



You wouldn't have a beer with me? Oh no what will I ever do?

As to the facts (ouch you hate those things) my assertion was that over all homosexuals are their own worst enemy because of the poor choices that they make. When asked to post evidence I posted statistics from the CDC to demonstrate my point. That more than half of all new HIV cases in the US are from homosexuals is a staggering statistics. Especially considering that gay men are at most a population of 4%. And this clearly demonstrates that many homosexual men (certainly not all and never said all) are making poor choices.

http://www.cdc.gov/...inal508comp.pdf



So then you would agree that it's important to educate youth about contraception and safe sex practices?



YES!

And you would agree that it's time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

therajraj
Level 1

Join date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10951

ZEB wrote:


YES!



OK. Some here are very against sex education.


ZEB wrote:

And you would agree that it's time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?



Sure, facts are facts. People should live in reality.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

sufiandy
Level 1

Join date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2859

Do you support gay marriage too? It might encourage monogamy and reduce some of the negatives you pointed out from the CDC.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

'After a Vanderbilt University's Christian fraternity asked several gay students to leave, the university has decided to enforce a non-discriminatory policy which was on the books but not used. They have defined it broadly and it appears to discriminate against Christians.

They have ordered all organizations on campus to open leadership positions to all students, regardless of whether or not they practice the religion or even know anything about it.

Under Vanderbilt's leadership rule...a Christian organization could have an Atheist leading their group.

Vanderbilt Catholic, the largest organization on campus will not comply, must leave the campus, and change its name. It is the largest organization on campus, offering Masses and many services to its students.

The following is the response from Vanderbilt Catholic -

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 26, 2012

Vanderbilt Catholic Will Not Comply with Vanderbilt University's Mandate

Vanderbilt Catholic announced to its members on Sunday that they will not re-register as a student organization at Vanderbilt University for the Fall Semester 2012.

According to Fr. John Sims Baker, Chaplain of Vanderbilt Catholic, "The discriminatory non-discrimination policy at Vanderbilt University has forced our hand."

Student organizations must re-register in April and affirm that they will abide by the controversial non-discrimination policy, explained Fr. Baker. "The Administration is forcing religious groups to open leadership positions to all students, regardless of whether or not they practice the religion or even know anything about it," he said.

"How could we sign such an agreement?" Fr. Baker asks. "Our purpose has always been to share the Gospel and proudly to proclaim our Catholic faith. What other reason could there be for a Catholic organization at Vanderbilt? How can we say it is not important that a Catholic lead a Catholic organization?"

Student members of Vanderbilt Catholic received a letter on Saturday, signed by five leaders of the Vanderbilt Catholic Student Board, stating:

After much reflection, discussion, and prayer, we have decided that Vanderbilt+Catholic cannot in good conscience affirm that we comply with this policy. While organizational skills and leadership abilities are important qualifications for leaders of Vanderbilt+Catholic, the primary qualification for leadership is Catholic faith and practice. We are a faith-based organization. A Catholic student organization led by someone who neither professes the Catholic faith nor strives to live it out would not be able to serve its members as an authentically Catholic organization. We cannot sign the affirmation form because to do so would be to lie to the university and to ourselves about who we are as an organization.

While this policy may change our status as a registered student organization, it will not change our mission. We will continue to serve the Vanderbilt community as a welcoming and faithful Catholic campus ministry, proposing Jesus Christ in all that we do.

Fr. Baker says that Vanderbilt Catholic will re-organize. With Bishop Choby's complete support, we will continue to serve the students of Vanderbilt as an independent ministry. We are going to open our doors wider in order to make a greater effort to reach out to all Vanderbilt students and all college students in Nashville.

In a recent email to Fr. Baker, Belmont's Vice President of Spiritual Development, Dr. Todd Lake, said: "Know that you always have a home here,"

"It has become quite clear to the Vanderbilt Catholic students that we either stand for something or fall for anything," said Fr. Baker. "We choose to stand for Jesus Christ, and we expect that our leadership do the same."'

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

Bambi wrote:
...bigoted stereotype...absoutely foul thing to say.


'There is a God; and He is wise; and this world is His design; and man and the state are God's creations. Such is Burke's philosophical fundamental. These were ideas accepted without question in most ages, but obscured by the vanity of the eighteenth century. How is God's purpose revealed? Through the unrolling of history. And how do we know God's mind and will? Through the prejudices and traditions which millenniums of human experience with divine judgments have implanted in the mind of the race. What is our purpose in this world? Not to indulge our impulse, but to render our obedience to divine intent.' - Russell Kirk

'You see, Sir, that in this enlightened age I am bold enough to confess, that we are generally men of untaught feelings; that instead of casting away all our old prejudices, we cherish them to a very considerable degree, and, to take more shame to ourselves, we cherish them because they are prejudices; and the longer they have lasted, and the more generally they have prevailed, the more we cherish them. We are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason; because we suspect that this stock in each man is small, and that the individuals would be better to avail themselves of the general bank and capital of nations, and of ages. Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice, and to leave nothing but the naked reason; because prejudice, with its reason, has a motive to give action to that reason, and an affection which will give it permanence. Prejudice is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, sceptical, puzzled, and unresolved. Prejudice renders a man's virtue his habit; and not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, his duty becomes a part of his nature.

Your literary men, and your politicians, and so do the whole clan of the enlightened among us, essentially differ in these points. They have no respect for the wisdom of others; but they pay it off by a very full measure of confidence in their own. With them it is a sufficient motive to destroy an old scheme of things, because it is an old one. As to the new, they are in no sort of fear with regard to the duration of a building run up in haste; because duration is no object to those who think little or nothing has been done before their time, and who place all their hopes in discovery. They conceive, very systematically, that all things which give perpetuity are mischievous, and therefore they are at inexpiable war with all establishments. They think that government may vary like modes of dress, and with as little ill effect: that there needs no principle of attachment, except a sense of present conveniency, to any constitution of the state. They always speak as if they were of opinion that there is a singular species of compact between them and their magistrates, which binds the magistrate, but which has nothing reciprocal in it, but that the majesty of the people has a right to dissolve it without any reason, but its will. Their attachment to their country itself, is only so far as it agrees with some of their fleeting projects; it begins and ends with that scheme of polity which falls in with their momentary opinion.' - Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

Bambi
Level

Join date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1427

SexMachine wrote:
therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?


No "this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs" type of contraceptive advice. It's totally necessary

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?


No "this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs" type of contraceptive advice. It's totally necessary



Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn't Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

Bambi
Level

Join date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1427

SexMachine wrote:
Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?


No "this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs" type of contraceptive advice. It's totally necessary



Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn't Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.


How does that follow on from what I said?

I feel we are reading from different scripts

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?


No "this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs" type of contraceptive advice. It's totally necessary



Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn't Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.


How does that follow on from what I said?



Because 'fisting kits' is what passes for sex education nowadays. Now, if these epidemics of STDs are already so bad, what with the fisting kits in the playground already available, maybe it's time to admit that more sex ed "prevention" isn't the answer.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

therajraj
Level 1

Join date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10951

Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
Bambi wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
therajraj wrote:

OK. Some here are very against sex education.



Who? And do you mean the free "fisting kit," penis lollypops, transgender/questioning radical in the kindegarten, brought to you by GLSEN kind of sex ed? Or the "this is how mums and dads make babies" kind of sex ed?


No "this is how to have safe sex and not get STDs" type of contraceptive advice. It's totally necessary



Look at it this way. If junior is given federally administered fisting kits and putting condoms on bananas with his mouth, in a non-judgemental, rainbow-like atmosphere of jollyness and celebration then junior is going to have problems. This isn't Oscar Wilde behind bars. This is transgender Harry in the nursery with the federal fisting kits. And Maoist Mary discretely diverting half the primary school girls to abortion clinics or for STD treatment after radicalising them first.


How does that follow on from what I said?

I feel we are reading from different scripts


Don't bother dude.

He is pushing this shit as far as he possibly can.

In his mind one negative incident (whether it's true or not) is somehow representative of what happens in the average sex education class.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

ZEB
Level

Join date: Sep 2003
Posts: 19363

therajraj wrote:
ZEB wrote:


YES!



OK. Some here are very against sex education.


ZEB wrote:

And you would agree that it's time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?



Sure, facts are facts. People should live in reality.




Well great then we agree that the populace should be informed about the facts regarding the gay population. And that the overwhelming majority of HIV positive cases are from male homosexual men. Most people don't know this because the liberal media has done a great job of covering up the truth. This neither helps young gay men stay safe, or a population understand the ramifications of unprotected sex.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

Bambi
Level

Join date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1427

ZEB wrote:
therajraj wrote:
ZEB wrote:


YES!



OK. Some here are very against sex education.


ZEB wrote:

And you would agree that it's time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?



Sure, facts are facts. People should live in reality.




Well great then we agree that the populace should be informed about the facts regarding the gay population. And that the overwhelming majority of HIV positive cases are from male homosexual men. Most people don't know this because the liberal media has done a great job of covering up the truth. This neither helps young gay men stay safe, or a population understand the ramifications of unprotected sex.




ZEB,

I don't know about the US, but in the UK there have been huge campaigns especially for homosexual men URGING them to wear condoms. No one denies this.

If this is different in the USA, then perhaps it explains our differing viewpoints

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS
Level 1

Join date: Apr 2005
Posts: 11983

ZEB wrote:
It has been proven over and over again that the biggest enemy of homosexual men is their own poor choices. There is no one who can dispute that it is a fact.


You mean like regular people?

Interesting.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

ZEB
Level

Join date: Sep 2003
Posts: 19363

Bambi wrote:
ZEB wrote:
therajraj wrote:
ZEB wrote:


YES!



OK. Some here are very against sex education.


ZEB wrote:

And you would agree that it's time to stop lying to the public about the rate of disease and poor mental health that a good portion of homosexual men suffer from?



Sure, facts are facts. People should live in reality.




Well great then we agree that the populace should be informed about the facts regarding the gay population. And that the overwhelming majority of HIV positive cases are from male homosexual men. Most people don't know this because the liberal media has done a great job of covering up the truth. This neither helps young gay men stay safe, or a population understand the ramifications of unprotected sex.




ZEB,

I don't know about the US, but in the UK there have been huge campaigns especially for homosexual men URGING them to wear condoms. No one denies this.

If this is different in the USA, then perhaps it explains our differing viewpoints


There was, call it a "test case" for education in the San Francisco area. Millions of dollars were spent trying to educate gay men on the dangers of unprotected sex.

What do you think happened?

The incidence of HIV actually went up!

What is it that drives gay men to take such chances? I don't know but it could be the same thing which causes them to become depressed, anxious and suicidal. And we certainly know that it's the same thing that leads the the gigantic HIV numbers in their population

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

ZEB
Level

Join date: Sep 2003
Posts: 19363

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It has been proven over and over again that the biggest enemy of homosexual men is their own poor choices. There is no one who can dispute that it is a fact.


You mean like regular people?

Interesting.



I never said otherwise so save your sarcasm Lifty. But unlike "regular people" the male homosexual population has a larger problem with promiscuity. And that is why I quote the CDC to point out that something needs to be done within that population to reign in the terror and pain that they are causing themselves!

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

Brother Chris
Level 2

Join date: May 2005
Posts: 17056

GorillaMon wrote:
'Lord Carey said Christians are being treated like bigots and face the same sort of persecution homosexuals were once subjected to'.

LOL

Sensationalist gibberish!!.......statistically speaking, a very large percentage of homosexuals have been PHYSICALLY assaulted (at least once) just for being gay....I don't know of ANY christians who have ever been physically attacked JUST because of their faith. Laughable comparison.


So you're comparing statistics to anecdotal evidence?

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

Brother Chris
Level 2

Join date: May 2005
Posts: 17056

sufiandy wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
Lord Carey said Christians are being treated like bigots and face the same sort of persecution homosexuals were once subjected to.


That's like a KKK member complaining about being persecuted by a group of black people.


Except Christian tenets aren't based on hate of homosexuals.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

sufiandy
Level 1

Join date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2859

Brother Chris wrote:
sufiandy wrote:
SexMachine wrote:
Lord Carey said Christians are being treated like bigots and face the same sort of persecution homosexuals were once subjected to.


That's like a KKK member complaining about being persecuted by a group of black people.


Except Christian tenets aren't based on hate of homosexuals.


One is a more extreme case but the analogy still holds.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

GorillaMon
Level

Join date: Jan 2011
Posts: 539

Brother Chris wrote:
GorillaMon wrote:
'Lord Carey said Christians are being treated like bigots and face the same sort of persecution homosexuals were once subjected to'.

LOL

Sensationalist gibberish!!.......statistically speaking, a very large percentage of homosexuals have been PHYSICALLY assaulted (at least once) just for being gay....I don't know of ANY christians who have ever been physically attacked JUST because of their faith. Laughable comparison.


So you're comparing statistics to anecdotal evidence?


Yup.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

squating_bear
Level 5

Join date: May 2011
Posts: 656

GorillaMon wrote:
+ To go to back to the article itself, this is basically an issue of DRESS CODE. Of course, a dimmmunition of dress-code rights COULD lead to or fuel certain anti-faith sentiments.

That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

I'm sure no employer is going to start strip searching/metal detecting their employees to search for crucifixes etc.

Lots of other non-religious bodily decorations are not GENERALLY accepted/approved of in the workplace, this is merely a new addition to a rather arbitrary list.



That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

Yes.

Not to me personally - but when people start feeling the desire to ask that as if we don't have / need that basic level of freedom - then yes, it's a very big deal. What kinda question is that?

Question: Would the thought of asking something like that even enter your mind if it were another symbol other than a Christian cross?
ex. maybe a 'gay pride' symbol?

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

GorillaMon
Level

Join date: Jan 2011
Posts: 539

squating_bear wrote:
GorillaMon wrote:
+ To go to back to the article itself, this is basically an issue of DRESS CODE. Of course, a dimmmunition of dress-code rights COULD lead to or fuel certain anti-faith sentiments.

That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

I'm sure no employer is going to start strip searching/metal detecting their employees to search for crucifixes etc.

Lots of other non-religious bodily decorations are not GENERALLY accepted/approved of in the workplace, this is merely a new addition to a rather arbitrary list.



That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

Yes.

Not to me personally - but when people start feeling the desire to ask that as if we don't have / need that basic level of freedom - then yes, it's a very big deal. What kinda question is that?

Question: Would the thought of asking something like that even enter your mind if it were another symbol other than a Christian cross?
ex. maybe a 'gay pride' symbol?


Dude, in principle I agree with you. Thing is though, with regards what is & isn't accepted in the workplace their has always been many rather ridiculous rules.

A lot of employers would NEVER employ a tattooed individual. Many employers stipulate that if you want to grow facial hair, you can only do so by first notifying your manager (ASDA do this) <<<Not really 100% fair IMO, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

As I said earlier, in many ways, dress codes etc are ARBITRARY. The only real thing I'm seeing changing here is that Christianity specifically is no longer being afforded an extra layer of protection.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

squating_bear
Level 5

Join date: May 2011
Posts: 656

GorillaMon wrote:
squating_bear wrote:
GorillaMon wrote:
+ To go to back to the article itself, this is basically an issue of DRESS CODE. Of course, a dimmmunition of dress-code rights COULD lead to or fuel certain anti-faith sentiments.

That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

I'm sure no employer is going to start strip searching/metal detecting their employees to search for crucifixes etc.

Lots of other non-religious bodily decorations are not GENERALLY accepted/approved of in the workplace, this is merely a new addition to a rather arbitrary list.



That being said, is keeping your religious jewellery out of public view really that big of a deal?

Yes.

Not to me personally - but when people start feeling the desire to ask that as if we don't have / need that basic level of freedom - then yes, it's a very big deal. What kinda question is that?

Question: Would the thought of asking something like that even enter your mind if it were another symbol other than a Christian cross?
ex. maybe a 'gay pride' symbol?


Dude, in principle I agree with you. Thing is though, with regards what is & isn't accepted in the workplace their has always been many rather ridiculous rules.

A lot of employers would NEVER employ a tattooed individual. Many employers stipulate that if you want to grow facial hair, you can only do so by first notifying your manager (ASDA do this) <<<Not really 100% fair IMO, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

As I said earlier, in many ways, dress codes etc are ARBITRARY. The only real thing I'm seeing changing here is that Christianity specifically is no longer being afforded an extra layer of protection.

I'm not even Christian, but this isn't an "extra layer of protection".

Psychologically there is a shift occurring that I can very easily 'feel'. As tattoos and facial hair are becoming more and more accepted - at this same exact time - Christian crosses are becoming less and less accepted.

There has always been a negative social stigma with tattoos, and beards have always been seen as "unprofessional". But Christianity? Nah - something is happening here.

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report
 

SexMachine
Level

Join date: Mar 2011
Posts: 7203

'April 2012: The Catholic Schutzenverein voted in March 450 to 28 to not to allow homosexual or lesbian "kings" or "queens" to preside activities together with their partners. The German federal anti-discrimination commission screened this decision and declared it to be in disrespect of the law.

The Schutzenverein has pronounced to pursue the legal debate.'

-----------------------

'March 2012: An online call to "see churches burning" was published as a "Christmas wish" in 2011 by a group of leftwing extremists called 'Antifa Freiburg'. "We will not give up hope that there will be a miracle and we can warm ourselves next year at the glow of burning churches." Prosecution investigated but droped the case.

After the organisation 'Antifa Freiburg' expressed the wish on their webpage to "see churches burn down in the upcoming year", several complaints had been lodged against the leftwing extremists. The prosecution was investigating for the suspect of incitement but came to the conclusion that the statement was just a "tasteless publication which is not relevant under criminal law." Moreover it was claimed that it would not be possible to determine the author. According to criminal intelligence, an Icelandic company provided the webpage to the organisation.

The droping of the case was reported in the German-language Catholic news portal www.kath.net. This lead 'Antifa Freiburg' to publish another wish in March 2012: namely to see Kath.Net burn... '

------------------------------

'March 2012: About fifteen people came to St Eloi's church to insult parishioners at the end of Sunday Mass. It is not the first time this Catholic church is targeted by anti-Christian acts, as it had already been covered whith tags and anti-Christian posters.

Source:

www.infos-bordeaux.fr/2012/actualites/bordeaux-des-catholiques-insultes-a-la-sortie-de-la-messe-2648'

  Post New Thread | Reply | Quote | Report