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dmaddox
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pat wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
pat wrote:
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dmaddox wrote:email tirib. He has my personal email address.
I had no idea he was going to say this Pat, but I really wish you would.


Okay, I know. KingKai has my email address tell him to give it to you, he has my blessing. And then send me dmaddox's....

Look, I am really, really, really protective of my personal stuff. So I am asking that no matter how you feel about me or if I make you really mad, that you do not violate my personal confidences.
Actually, KK has my work email, I am going to send him my personal one and we can all correspond that way. I need to keep this stuff off of work emails.

There is nothing wrong with your not wanting people to have your information. I tell you in front of all these witnesses that I would submit to death by skinning alive before divulging one jot or tittle of your information to anybody OR using it in anyway of which you would not approve. You have my word before the Lord. That said, I'm walkin out the door so it'll have to be later.


Good enough for me, and may it to me and more also if I violate your confidences in anyway.


Me to.

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KingKai25
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Tiribulus wrote:
KingKai25 wrote:<<< It does, and that's exactly the point. The Greek is ambiguous - without the definite article, it's ambiguous linguistically. If John meant to say, "THE God" unambiguously, he would have said, ho theos. But the context of John rules it out as a genuine interpretive possibility - there is simply no way John thought Jesus was "a" god - but it is a linguistically possible reading because of the lack of a definite article.
There's my answer on your view of the Granville Sharp rule? I know it's not regarded as solidly as it once was. I am not qualified to be definitive for sure.


It's actually Colwell's rule that people have used in defense of a definite interpretation of theos in John 1:1. The problem is that the rule doesn't establish whether the predicate nominative preceding the verb is definite or indefinite (which is the critical issue in John 1:1); it simply states that if the predicate nominative is definite and precedes the verb, it won't have an article. It's not that the rule doesn't work; it just doesn't help determine whether John 1:1 is a reference to "God" himself or to "a god." Once again, however, the larger context of John's gospel dispels any question.

And for dmaddox - "en" is not the article; it's the imperfect 3rd singular of the verb eimi, "to be."

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Tiribulus
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Somewhere along the line (probably with the JW's way back when) I got in my head that it was the Sharp rule with John 1:1. Now that I think of it, (and look it up) this isn't the first time somebody has corrected me in this regard. Sharp's rule is about when you have same cased personally descriptive nouns connected by a kai and the article precedes the first but not the second, they are referring the same person. (usually) Unless I can get back into my Greek studies like I hope, I'll probably ask this question again next yea.

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Tiribulus
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pat wrote:Good enough for me, and may it to me and more also if I violate your confidences in anyway.

of course. I trust you.

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Fletch1986
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So what do ya'll think of the way Jesus is portrayed in the mini series The Bible?

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Tiribulus
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So what do ya'll think of the way Jesus is portrayed in the mini series The Bible?

I try not to. Terrible. That series looked like it had at least some promise when I saw the first one, but it's been downhill from there. TOTAL butchery once they got to the New Testament. Jesus Christ was not sent to "change the world". He was sent to fulfill the covenants, the law, and the prophets, and to SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. Matthew 1:21 In short.

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Tiribulus wrote:
Fletch1986 wrote:
So what do ya'll think of the way Jesus is portrayed in the mini series The Bible?

I try not to. Terrible. That series looked like it had at least some promise when I saw the first one, but it's been downhill from there. TOTAL butchery once they got to the New Testament. Jesus Christ was not sent to "change the world". He was sent to fulfill the covenants, the law, and the prophets, and to SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. Matthew 1:21 In short.


Well that is changing the world in effect, what he was saying was at odds with what the Pharisees where preaching(old Laws). It would completely upset the order of the norm in that day(changing their world). I have no issue with the wording, A lot of the events that place are open in certain aspects to interpretation. I, for one appreciate the effort.
God be with you Brother

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BTW, "HIS PEOPLE" were all Sinners

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dmaddox
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I like the show and have been watching every week.

I have some issues with artistic expression that they have used. When Jesus breathed or Kissed Lazarus on the head to bring him back from the dead was a complete lie. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by just a word. Jesus never entered the tomb.

With that said it is hard to put the entire Bible into 5, 2 hour shows. I wonder how it will end this Sunday. Will they go into Paul's journeys, or just stop with the Resurrection.

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pat
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Tiribulus wrote:
Fletch1986 wrote:
So what do ya'll think of the way Jesus is portrayed in the mini series The Bible?

I try not to. Terrible. That series looked like it had at least some promise when I saw the first one, but it's been downhill from there. TOTAL butchery once they got to the New Testament. Jesus Christ was not sent to "change the world". He was sent to fulfill the covenants, the law, and the prophets, and to SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. Matthew 1:21 In short.


Yeah, I am not totally thrilled about it either. I think 'Jesus of Nazareth' was told much better and truer to the gospels. My hope though, like I said, is that people will come to the scriptures from the show. If it accomplishes that, I give it an A+. As a story telling, I give it a C+. Not terrible, not great.

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dmaddox wrote:
I like the show and have been watching every week.

I have some issues with artistic expression that they have used. When Jesus breathed or Kissed Lazarus on the head to bring him back from the dead was a complete lie. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by just a word. Jesus never entered the tomb.

With that said it is hard to put the entire Bible into 5, 2 hour shows. I wonder how it will end this Sunday. Will they go into Paul's journeys, or just stop with the Resurrection.


I agree, I think some of the artistic liberties taken were just unnecessary. I can't imagine what good placing Jesus in the tomb of Lazarus did. It's far more compelling that he didn't even touch him.
I do like the fact that they indicated the body stunk already though. That makes it that much more of a miracle. He didn't just raise the dead, he raised the dead and removed all decomposition from the body. Jesus did postpone his trip, I believe, to make that very point. He was not only dead, but decomposing and Jesus restored him to a full, healthy life.

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dmaddox
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pat wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I like the show and have been watching every week.

I have some issues with artistic expression that they have used. When Jesus breathed or Kissed Lazarus on the head to bring him back from the dead was a complete lie. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by just a word. Jesus never entered the tomb.

With that said it is hard to put the entire Bible into 5, 2 hour shows. I wonder how it will end this Sunday. Will they go into Paul's journeys, or just stop with the Resurrection.


I agree, I think some of the artistic liberties taken were just unnecessary. I can't imagine what good placing Jesus in the tomb of Lazarus did. It's far more compelling that he didn't even touch him.
I do like the fact that they indicated the body stunk already though. That makes it that much more of a miracle. He didn't just raise the dead, he raised the dead and removed all decomposition from the body. Jesus did postpone his trip, I believe, to make that very point. He was not only dead, but decomposing and Jesus restored him to a full, healthy life.


I love Jesus.

I hope all Christians have a very Happy Easter, and enjoy Resurrection Sunday. He is risen. He is risen indeed.

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Tiribulus
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dmaddox wrote:
pat wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I like the show and have been watching every week.

I have some issues with artistic expression that they have used. When Jesus breathed or Kissed Lazarus on the head to bring him back from the dead was a complete lie. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by just a word. Jesus never entered the tomb.

With that said it is hard to put the entire Bible into 5, 2 hour shows. I wonder how it will end this Sunday. Will they go into Paul's journeys, or just stop with the Resurrection.


I agree, I think some of the artistic liberties taken were just unnecessary. I can't imagine what good placing Jesus in the tomb of Lazarus did. It's far more compelling that he didn't even touch him.
I do like the fact that they indicated the body stunk already though. That makes it that much more of a miracle. He didn't just raise the dead, he raised the dead and removed all decomposition from the body. Jesus did postpone his trip, I believe, to make that very point. He was not only dead, but decomposing and Jesus restored him to a full, healthy life.


I love Jesus.

I hope all Christians have a very Happy Easter, and enjoy Resurrection Sunday. He is risen. He is risen indeed.

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dmaddox
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dmaddox wrote:
pat wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I like the show and have been watching every week.

I have some issues with artistic expression that they have used. When Jesus breathed or Kissed Lazarus on the head to bring him back from the dead was a complete lie. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by just a word. Jesus never entered the tomb.

With that said it is hard to put the entire Bible into 5, 2 hour shows. I wonder how it will end this Sunday. Will they go into Paul's journeys, or just stop with the Resurrection.


I agree, I think some of the artistic liberties taken were just unnecessary. I can't imagine what good placing Jesus in the tomb of Lazarus did. It's far more compelling that he didn't even touch him.
I do like the fact that they indicated the body stunk already though. That makes it that much more of a miracle. He didn't just raise the dead, he raised the dead and removed all decomposition from the body. Jesus did postpone his trip, I believe, to make that very point. He was not only dead, but decomposing and Jesus restored him to a full, healthy life.


I love Jesus.

I hope all Christians have a very Happy Easter, and enjoy Resurrection Sunday. He is risen. He is risen indeed.


Amen D, Amen.

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