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SexMachine wrote:


Then what were they doing in the Whitehouse?


I don't know, and I don't care with respect to this issue.


SexMachine wrote:

'Jennings revealed how the homosexual movement uses "safety" as a phony strategy to intimidate legislators and school officials.'

'Read his own words -- 1995 speech by Kevin Jennings, (currently working in the US Department of Education) bragging about how homosexual activists tricked the Massachusetts Legislature:'

http://www.massresistance.org/..._the_issue.html

More on Kevin Jennings:

In 1993, Jennings designed the model for the Massachusetts Dept. of Education to push homosexuality in schools -- which has now spread across the country.

The "Fistgate" conference - Homosexual activists teaching children how to perform homosexual sex acts. Caution: VERY disturbing. Jennings was Executive Director of GLSEN and the keynote speaker at this conference.

Graphic homosexual handouts and paraphernalia given to kids at the Fistgate conference run by "Safe Schools" czar Kevin Jennings in 2000

The "Little Black Book" - Hard-core pornographic homosexual "how-to" booklet given to kids at high school during GLSEN event! How to "safely" perform degrading homosexual sex acts, and where to go to meet homosexuals.

2009: Jennings helps Harvard celebrate homosexual terrorist group "Act Up" Contributes to offensive display of sexual perversion, child pornography, and anti-Catholic bigotry exhibit at Harvard University.

At GLSEN conference 2005: Graphic talk on transsexuality/ transgenderism given to children by homosexual activists.

Also at GLSEN conference 2005: Planned Parenthood gives radical "transgender / transsexual" workshop to kids.

"Safe Schools" czar Kevin Jennings to g(o)t $410 million in Obama's 2011 federal budget. To push homosexual and transgender programs in America's schools!

Kevin Jennings helps introduce bill in Congress to require normalization of homosexuality, transgenderism, cross-dressing, etc., in America's public schools! HB 2510: Every parent's worst nightmare coming true.

http://www.massresistance.org/...ings/index.html


I'm sorry but why are you making this about GLSEN and Kevin Jennings? Why are you bringing up things he said 20 years ago?

Read the wording of the bill, there is NOTHING specifically about LGBT.

Simply because GLSEN supports this bill does not make it a bad bill by extension.

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I see absolutely nothing wrong with the bill as written below:

3. "BULLYING" MEANS ANY WRITTEN, VERBAL OR PHYSICAL ACT OR ANY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION THAT IS INTENDED TO OR THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD KNOW IS LIKELY TO HARM ONE OR MORE PUPILS BY DOING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

(a) SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERING WITH EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BENEFITS OR PROGRAMS OF ONE OR MORE PUPILS.
(b) ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ABILITY OF A PUPIL TO PARTICIPATE IN OR BENEFIT FROM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES BY PLACING THE PUPIL IN REASONABLE FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR BY CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL EMOTIONAL DISTRESS.
(c) HAVING AN ACTUAL AND SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON A PUPIL'S PHYSICAL OR MENTAL HEALTH.
(d) CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL DISRUPTION IN, OR SUBSTANTIAL INTERFERENCE WITH, THE ORDERLY OPERATION OF A SCHOOL.


CHARTER SCHOOLS SHALL PRESCRIBE AND ENFORCE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO PROHIBIT PUPILS FROM HARASSING, INTIMIDATING AND BULLYING OTHER PUPILS. THESE POLICIES MAY INCLUDE A POLICY PROHIBITING BULLYING, INTIMIDATION AND HARASSMENT AT ANY OFF-CAMPUS LOCATION OR ACTIVITY IF THE ALLEGED ACTIVITY IS REPORTED TO SCHOOL OFFICIALS AND INVESTIGATED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, AND IF THE BULLYING, INTIMIDATION OR HARASSMENT CREATES A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VICTIM AT SCHOOL, INFRINGES ON THE RIGHTS OF THE VICTIM AT SCHOOL OR MATERIALLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY DISRUPTS THE EDUCATION PROCESS OR THE ORDERLY OPERATION OF THE SCHOOL. THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SHALL INCLUDE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. A POLICY PROHIBITING HARASSING, INTIMIDATING AND BULLYING THROUGH THE USE OF ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS ON SCHOOL GROUNDS, ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, ON SCHOOL BUSES, AT SCHOOL BUS STOPS, AT SCHOOL SPONSORED EVENTS AND ON SCHOOL COMPUTERS, NETWORKS, FORUMS AND MAILING LISTS.

2. A STATEMENT THAT ALL PUPILS ARE PROTECTED UNDER THESE POLICIES AND THAT BULLYING IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BULLYING OR THE MOTIVATION OF THE PERPETRATOR.

3. A PROCEDURE FOR PUPILS, PARENTS AND CHARTER SCHOOL EMPLOYEES TO CONFIDENTIALLY REPORT TO SCHOOL OFFICIALS INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING. THE CHARTER SCHOOL SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE WRITTEN FORMS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A FULL AND DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE INCIDENT AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE INCIDENT.

4. A REQUIREMENT THAT CHARTER SCHOOL EMPLOYEES REPORT IN WRITING SUSPECTED INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING TO THE APPROPRIATE SCHOOL OFFICIAL AND A DESCRIPTION OF APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES FOR EMPLOYEES WHO FAIL TO REPORT SUSPECTED INCIDENTS THAT ARE KNOWN TO THE EMPLOYEE.

5. A REQUIREMENT THAT, AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SCHOOL YEAR, SCHOOL OFFICIALS PROVIDE ALL PUPILS WITH A WRITTEN COPY OF THE RIGHTS, PROTECTIONS AND SUPPORT SERVICES AVAILABLE TO A PUPIL WHO IS AN ALLEGED VICTIM OF AN INCIDENT REPORTED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION.

6. IF AN INCIDENT IS REPORTED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, A REQUIREMENT THAT SCHOOL OFFICIALS, IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE RULES AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS ADOPTED TO COMPLY WITH THE FAMILY EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS AND PRIVACY ACT, NOTIFY THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN OF THE ALLEGEDLY BULLIED PUPIL AND PROVIDE A PUPIL WHO IS AN ALLEGED VICTIM OF THE INCIDENT WITH A WRITTEN COPY OF THE RIGHTS, PROTECTIONS AND SUPPORT SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THAT PUPIL.

IN ORDER TO AVOID ADDITIONAL NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES TO THE ALLEGED VICTIM'S HEALTH AND WELL‑BEING AND BEFORE NOTIFYING THE PARENT OF THE ALLEGED VICTIM, SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS, IN CONSULTATION WITH ON-SITE SCHOOL COUNSELORS AND SOCIAL WORKERS, IF AVAILABLE, SHALL EVALUATE THE NOTIFICATION IN THE SAME MANNER AS ANY OTHER EDUCATIONALLY RELEVANT DECISION BY CONSIDERING THE HEALTH, WELL‑BEING AND SAFETY OF ANY PUPILS INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT.

NOTIFICATION OF THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN OF A PUPIL WHO IS THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR SHALL BE PROVIDED PURSUANT TO THE DISCIPLINARY NOTIFICATION POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL.

7. A FORMAL PROCESS FOR THE DOCUMENTATION OF REPORTED INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING AND FOR THE CONFIDENTIALITY, MAINTENANCE AND DISPOSITION OF THIS DOCUMENTATION. CHARTER SCHOOLS SHALL MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION OF ALL INCIDENTS REPORTED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION FOR AT LEAST SIX YEARS.

THE CHARTER SCHOOL SHALL NOT USE THAT DOCUMENTATION TO IMPOSE DISCIPLINARY ACTION UNLESS THE APPROPRIATE SCHOOL OFFICIAL HAS INVESTIGATED AND DETERMINED THAT THE REPORTED INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING OCCURRED. IF A CHARTER SCHOOL PROVIDES DOCUMENTATION OF REPORTED INCIDENTS TO PERSONS OTHER THAN SCHOOL OFFICIALS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALL INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION SHALL BE REDACTED.

8. A FORMAL PROCESS FOR THE INVESTIGATION BY THE APPROPRIATE SCHOOL OFFICIALS OF SUSPECTED INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING, INCLUDING PROCEDURES FOR THE TIMELY NOTIFICATION OF THE ALLEGED VICTIM AND THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN OF THE ALLEGED VICTIM ON COMPLETION AND DISPOSITION OF THE INVESTIGATION.

9. DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES FOR PUPILS WHO HAVE ADMITTED COMMITTING OR BEEN FOUND TO HAVE COMMITTED INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING.

10. A PROCEDURE THAT SETS FORTH CONSEQUENCES FOR SUBMITTING FALSE REPORTS OF INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING.

11. PROCEDURES DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF PUPILS WHO ARE PHYSICALLY OR EMOTIONALLY HARMED, OR BOTH, AS THE RESULT OF AN INCIDENT OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING, INCLUDING, IF APPROPRIATE, PROCEDURES TO CONTACT EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, OR BOTH.

12. AN EDUCATION REQUIREMENT DESIGNED TO PREVENT HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING THAT INCLUDES ANNUAL TRAINING FOR ADMINISTRATORS OR CHARTER SCHOOL EMPLOYEES, IF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION PROVIDES TRAINING MATERIALS FREE OF CHARGE. THIS REQUIREMENT SHALL ALSO INCLUDE TRAINING FOR PUPILS AND PARENTS IN PREVENTING, IDENTIFYING, RESPONDING TO AND REPORTING INCIDENTS OF HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION OR BULLYING.

THE TRAINING PROVIDED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION SHALL NOT BE FOCUSED ON A PARTICULAR BULLIED CLASS BUT RATHER THAT BULLYING IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BULLYING OR THE MOTIVATION OF THE PERPETRATOR. THE SCHOOL SHALL NOTIFY ALL PARENTS PRIOR TO CONDUCTING STUDENT TRAINING UNDER THIS PROVISION AND SHALL NOT PROVIDE TRAINING TO A STUDENT WHOSE PARENT OR GUARDIAN HAS NOT EXPRESSLY APPROVED OF THE STUDENT'S PARTICIPATION IN THE TRAINING.

13. THE SAME DEFINITION OF BULLYING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 15‑101.

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Tiribulus wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:How bout because that is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Explain to everyone how it is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Christopher. Please tell me you are not denying that having someone nail you to a cross in a self serving attempt to gain merit with God is blasphemous of the sacrifice of Christ. Ya jist gotta man. Can ya do that today? Tell me you're not denying that?
SexMachine wrote:<<< Violent, deranged sodomites attacking and bullying the parishioners. These are the groups that just want access to your seven-year-old so they can explain how bullying is wrong see?
Uhh... no.... they will NOT see. I'm gonna have to predict.


Stop being inflammatory and answer the question.

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therajraj wrote:

I don't care about GLSEN. My issue is with Christians fighting this anti-bullying bill. I'm interested in discussing the bill.



I don't believe you. You have ignored all my questions relating to the Bill.

"Take the recent bill proposed in the Arizona legislature â?? SB 1462. On the surface, the bill seems well-intentioned. It prohibits bullying in schools, and requires teachers, school administrators, students, and parents to undergo annual training to prevent bullying.

The questions arise when one considers which organizations would provide the training and which organizations are behind the legislation. As a leading homosexual magazine in Arizona wrote, Equality Arizona, one n ten, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) were all in attendance at the billâ??s committee hearing to support and see the legislation pass."


^^You see where it says GLSEN and other radical groups will be let into schools to themselves provide the "training"? You see in my last post where I showed GLSEN's long record and stated intention of using "safety" to get into schools? You're deliberately ignoring that aren't you?
You may claim you're not interested in GLSEN but you would not be telling the truth would you?
Why are you not telling the truth? Why are you being so dishonest?



And that video was so absurd I thought it was a parody the first time I watched it. There's nothing factual about that video so it shouldn't disturb you. So yes my response is "LOL"

It was unintended comedy gold.


I don't believe you. I think you are being deliberately dishonest.



I stand by what I said. That ridiculous American Life League video is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. If what you're saying is true, it should not be hard for you to provide a mainstream media link.


You don't realise how stupid that makes you sound do you? I asked you what it is you want to me to "back up" and didn't even answer me. Now you demand a "mainstream media link" to "back up" the thing you won't tell me about. Why are you being deliberately dishonest? Can't you see how utterly fatuous your responses have been? You can see that can't you? You're doing it deliberately.




Ahhh finally something actually related to the bill.

Bullying in school is prevalent and this bill helps address that issue.


But it's not about bullying(that's just a smokescreen) and you know it's not about bullying. You are being incredibly dishonest.


Now answer my question. Where in this bill is the "hidden gay agenda" and what exactly do you have a problem with in this bill?


See above.

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SexMachine wrote:


I don't believe you. You have ignored all my questions relating to the Bill.

"Take the recent bill proposed in the Arizona legislature â?? SB 1462. On the surface, the bill seems well-intentioned. It prohibits bullying in schools, and requires teachers, school administrators, students, and parents to undergo annual training to prevent bullying.

The questions arise when one considers which organizations would provide the training and which organizations are behind the legislation. As a leading homosexual magazine in Arizona wrote, Equality Arizona, one n ten, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) were all in attendance at the billâ??s committee hearing to support and see the legislation pass."


^^You see where it says GLSEN and other radical groups will be let into schools to themselves provide the "training"? You see in my last post where I showed GLSEN's long record and stated intention of using "safety" to get into schools? You're deliberately ignoring that aren't you?
You may claim you're not interested in GLSEN but you would not be telling the truth would you?
Why are you not telling the truth? Why are you being so dishonest?



GLSEN is already allowed in schools and has access to children.

And I still haven't seen any of this material you speak of. You have access to their website, perhaps you could show me some of this allegedly questionable material?


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SexMachine wrote:


I don't believe you. I think you are being deliberately dishonest.


http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...ve_rights_topic

I spend a good time laughing at the video immediately after it was posted on the first page. See for yourself




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lise how stupid that makes you sound do you? I asked you what it is you want to me to "back up" and didn't even answer me. Now you demand a "mainstream media link" to "back up" the thing you won't tell me about. Why are you being deliberately dishonest? Can't you see how utterly fatuous your responses have been? You can see that can't you? You're doing it deliberately.


I've been looking around, checking wiki, cnn, foxnews and I haven't been able to find any examples of what you're talking about (relating to GLSEN). I doubt the validity of your sources.

What's hilarious is you did the exact same thing when I presented studies from the Guttmacher institute in another thread.

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By the way here's who wrote that article you posted on that keyboard milita site

http://illinoisfamily.org/abou...

"The Illinois Family Institute (IFI) is an independent 501c(3) non-profit ministry dedicated to upholding and re-affirming marriage, family, life and liberty in Illinois. Since 1992, IFI has worked to advance public policy initiatives consistent with Judeo-Christian teachings and traditions, educating citizens so that they can better influence their local communities and the state. IFI does not participate in, or intervene in any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office. (See IFI?s Political Campaign Policy.)

IFI works within the state of Illinois to promote and defend Biblical truths to foster an environment where families can thrive and reach their full God-given potential to serve and glorify Him?making the most of the opportunities afforded to each of us by His gift of life and liberty."

Gee excuse me if I'm a little hesitant to believe what you wrote.

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And you also posted a link from massresistance.

Here's a link about the group on wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MassResistance

"MassResistance is a Massachusetts anti-gay group[1][2] that promotes socially conservative positions primarily on issues surrounding homosexuality, the transgender community and same-sex marriage. It was formed in 2006 as a consolidation of the Parents' Rights Coalition and the Article 8 Alliance.[3] The group has criticized former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney for not opposing same-sex marriage,[4] and says it fights against students in public schools being taught about homosexuality.[5]"


LOL and you wonder why I don't take your links seriously.

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Btw heres a link to their safe space kits: http://www.glsen.org/...0/000/294-7.pdf

http://www.glsen.org/.../001/1511-4.pdf

I didn't see anything wrong, maybe you can find something.

You post links from an anti-gay site and a socially conservative Christian site and you expect me to take them seriously as evidence.

ROFL

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"MassResistance has been criticized by Janice M. Irvine of the University of Massachusetts College of Social and Behavioral Sciences for promoting anti-gay studies lacking scientific merit.[23] Since March 2008, the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed MassResistance as an anti-gay "Active U.S. Hate Group".[24][2]"

LOL solid sources SM

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Brother Chris wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:How bout because that is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Explain to everyone how it is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Christopher. Please tell me you are not denying that having someone nail you to a cross in a self serving attempt to gain merit with God is blasphemous of the sacrifice of Christ. Ya jist gotta man. Can ya do that today? Tell me you're not denying that?
Stop being inflammatory and answer the question.
What are you talking about inflammatory? Good grief, you never used to be this hypersensitive Chris. You're not defending this insanity are you? Some tragic religious nutjobs thinking God will accept their utterly blasphemous attempt to supplement the sacrifice of Jesus Christ by a mocking self reenactment of His crucifixion? Say it ain't so Chris! I am not being inflammatory or sarcastic here either. You can't possibly approve of this?

It is directly blasphemous because it attempts to gain merit with God by an actual exact bodily duplication of the sacrifice that could only ever be offered by the spotless sinless Lamb Himself. It is also the most heinous manifestation of self worship I believe I've ever heard of and is therefore idolatry in the first degree.

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Since it got complained about by Pat and Zeb I moved this post over to here.

Tiribulus wrote: wrote an quoted a lot.



Trib, Trib , Trib

I can't stand wall of text so forgive me here.


Kitchen and sammiches - you think is strawman but based on the beliefs you have a womans place is in the home (correct? I have limited knowledge on Calvanism). Sometimes your post are quite informative, other times you could get to your subject matter in much more concise fashion (I know long winded I have to listen to fire chiefs give classes and they love to talk).

Never referred to you as a mysognist. (honestly check for yourself)

But you do sit on your perch peering and preaching, unfortunately religion and belief in Christ (see got it right) isn't just a one side fits all. Many beliefs all in the same eternal being but yet some of them can't see the forest through the trees.

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Bullying in school sucks.

It is not and never has been a matter of national importance or significance. There is no reason for the federal government to be involved in this whatsoever. It's a waste of time, effort and resources even pretending this issue deserves national attention.

Local schools (and law enforcement officials, if it gets bad enough) are more than equipped to handle this problem.

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Does lanchefan1 expect a response from me? I never said YOU referred to me as a misogynist. I said I was referred to as one. Which I was. Why are botherin about this? Clearly I am an antique moron who has been thankfully long ago discredited and our nation is a much better place because of it. Wadda you care what I think? Forget me and go on.

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Tiribulus wrote:
Does lanchefan1 expect a response from me? I never said YOU referred to me as a misogynist. I said I was referred to as one. Which I was. Why are botherin about this? Clearly I am an antique moron who has been thankfully long ago discredited and our nation is a much better place because of it. Wadda you care what I think? Forget me and go on.


You know what Trib you are right (oh yet again how ever will your head fit through the door?).

I asked a couple of simple questions here because they were a hijack of the other thread and I saw no need to (this is the hijack thread right?)

Awe so be it, back to the hijinx!

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therajraj wrote:

You post links from an anti-gay site and a socially conservative Christian site and you expect me to take them seriously as evidence.

ROFL


Why are you trolling? I asked you four times to tell what it is you want me to "back up." I will back it up myself rather than link to another source. Do you expect me to believe that you didn't understand what I explained about evaluating sources? You expect me to believe that? You want me to do it for you idiot? I'll play devil's advocate so you can learn how to be a better idiot okay raj? This is what you do:

Hey, SM. The source that you quoted claims that GLSEN uses "safety" to "get their foot in the door(of schools.)" As evidence of this claim they quote the following statements by the founder of GLSEN:

"In Massachusetts the effective reframing of this issue was the key to the success of the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth. We immediately seized upon the opponent's calling card--safety--and explained how homophobia represents a threat to students' safety by creating a climate where violence, name-calling, health problems, and suicide are common. Titling our report 'Making Schools Safe for Gay and Lesbian Youth,' we automatically threw our opponents onto the defensive and stole their best line of attack. This framing short-circuited their arguments and left them back-pedaling from day one.

"Finding the effective frame for your community is the key to victory. It must be linked to universal values...In Massachusetts, we made creating an environment where youth could speak out our number one priority. We know that, confronted with real-life stories of youth who had suffered from homophobia, our opponents would have to attack people who had already been victimized once, which put them in a bully position from which it would be hard to emerge looking good."

And then you explain why you believe that the author misrepresented the statements by the founder of GLSEN and his motives. Now do you understand how that works? You understood all along didn't you? You were just pretending not to understand/ignoring/obfuscating. That's trolling raj. Why are you trying to ruin an excellent forum by trolling?

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Prove that these kits are as bad as you say. Based on what I've seen on their site, I consider what they are presenting beneficial to students. By the way bullying is repeatedly discussed in these safe space kits.

This "source" of yours is taking quotes from their site and then mixing in whatever wild assertions they want to further their agenda . In case this needs to be spelled out: Show me an example of the harm GLSEN is apparently doing.

SexMachine wrote:

The kit includes two posters and a 42-page "Guide to Being an Ally to LGBT Students." Among other things, the guide offers specific strategies for supporting LGBT students, including how to educate students about anti-LGBT bias and teaching respect for all people.


Is their agenda you speak of? What is wrong with being an ally to LGBT students or minimizing bias?

Have you looked at the "Guide to being an ally to LGBT students" pamphlet?

Here it is: http://lawrenceareagsa.files.w...

Again, what about this guide do you have a problem with? It mentions bullying several times.

Lastly, Massresistance is an anti-gay hate group. They have videos on their youtube channel of them going undercover and spying on a transgender conference at a Marriott (see for yourself). The "source" you posted are nothing but homophobic trolls who ACTUALLY have a harmful agenda. Furthermore, they have a history of promoting anti-gay studies that have no scientific merit. But I guess that doesn't matter to you?

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The only real point I've seen this this thread was in thunderbolt's post. Is school bullying a federal issue? I don't know.

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Take a look at the material YOURSELF SM.

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Some interesting comments on that schoolsecurityblog link you posted:

"If you have ever seen a child running down a hall being chased by bullies because he is perceived to be gay, and I have, and if you have also seen the teachers and administrators ?disappear? at that crucial time, and I have, and if you have ever seen that student searching desperately for a ?Safe Space? sticker on a door, which I display, and then see the bullies realize that I?m not like everybody else?I won?t look away from their hatred?then you would realize why this sticker and this program matters.
And another administrator told me that I was the reason there was a bullying problem?that people like me who put stickers on my door CAUSE bullying and homophobia, and furthermore, that I was not sensitive to the needs and feelings of people who were intolerant (and this was a problem in his eyes).
I don?t think people who want to reject safe spaces in schools really understand the problem that children perceived as gay and lesbian face every day."

"Greetings and thanks for sharing your perspective. So do I understand correctly from your statement that you believe that schools where ?Safe Space? or similar stickers are used do suggest that the rest of the school without stickers is unsafe or less safe? Also, how does a teacher or staff member distinguish a student running down the hall being ?chased by bullies because he is perceived to be gay? from a student running down the hall being chased by individuals for other reasons? I have never had anyone share such an observation in my 25 years of working with schools on school safety issues. It would be interesting to hear how a teacher would be able to make that distinction based upon simply observing one student being chased down the hall by a group of other students? Maybe there is more the situation than communicated in your example? Thanks. Ken"

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From their site:


"All BookLink items are reviewed by GLSEN staff for quality and appropriateness of content. However, some titles for adolescent readers contain mature themes. We recommend that adults selecting books for youth review content for suitability. The editorial and customer reviews listed at Amazon.com often provide information on mature content."



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therajraj wrote:
The source you posted wrote:

SexMachine wrote:
"...one of the books recommended for grades 7-12 titled Rainbow Boy includes a description of high school boys looking at male pornography"

Backup this claim. Prove that these kits are as bad as you say. Based on what I've seen on their site, I consider what they are presenting beneficial to students. By the way bullying is repeatedly discussed in these safe space kits.


Now that's better. You see it wasn't hard at all was it? Although, you are asking me to do what you haven't done. However, I will do so. I will give you the benefit of the doubt again. The pamphlet Rainbow boys "features an episode of homosexual sex between one of the main characters, a 17-year-old boy, and a 29-year-old man he has just met via the Internet ( p. 148)."

Now I don't have a copy of this book but here's what Wikipedia says regarding the plot:

"Nelson, the flamboyant class clown, finds himself jealous of Kyle and decides to hook up with an online stranger named Brick. He has sex with Brick and fears he has contracted HIV. He becomes friends with HIV-positive Jeremy and finds himself in love."

And here's the contents of the "safe space kit:"

Suggestion including the implementation of "a gender-neutral dress code," "gender-neutral" bathrooms, curriculum infused with homosexual, bisexual and transgender themes, Valentine's Day celebrations with same-sex couples, in addition to prom and homecoming events that "allow for gender-neutral alternatives to 'King and Queen.'"

Teachers are instructed to avoid using words like "husband" and "wife" in the classroom and to "avoid gendered pronouns" like "he" and "she." And to "Promote LGBT events throughout the school"

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That's "indoctrination" fella.


This "source" of yours is taking quotes from their site and then mixing in whatever wild assertions they want to further their agenda .


Forget about the "source" - read what I have written and the quotations from the founder of GLSEN. Address the points I have raised and the conclusions that I have drawn. You won't do that will you?


In case this needs to be spelled out: Show me an example of the harm GLSEN is apparently doing.


See above. It's called "indoctrination."

SexMachine wrote:

"The kit includes two posters and a 42-page "Guide to Being an Ally to LGBT Students." Among other things, the guide offers specific strategies for supporting LGBT students, including how to educate students about anti-LGBT bias and teaching respect for all people."


Is their agenda you speak of? What is wrong with being an ally to LGBT students or minimizing bias?


I have quoted the founder of GLSEN on their agenda and tactics. Did I say there's anything wrong with being an "ally to LGBT students" - what's an "ally" raj? You're being fatuous again aren't you? Address the points or just ignore my posts. My posts aren't intended to solicit a discussion from you. My posts are made to refute the bullshit you have posted.


Have you looked at the "Guide to being an ally to LGBT students" pamphlet?


No. Why do you ask? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.



Whoopie do. What's that got to do with anything? Don't answer that - it's rhetorical.


Again, what about this guide do you have a problem with?


No not again. Stop wasting my time. I already told you that it's a way for the GLSEN and other radical groups to get their foot in the door. I quoted the fucking founder of the GLSEN to back up what I said. Stop wasting my fucking time.


It mentions bullying several times.


Amazing.


Lastly, Massresistance is an anti-gay hate group.


What the fuck has that got to do with what I fucking said and backed up? Stop wasting my time idiot.


They have videos on their youtube channel of them going undercover and spying on a transgender conference at a Marriott (see for yourself). The "source" you posted are nothing but homophobic trolls who ACTUALLY have a harmful agenda. Furthermore, they have a history of promoting anti-gay studies that have no scientific merit. But I guess that doesn't matter to you?


You know what matters to me? Making sure people like you are exposed for what they are. You are a liar.

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therajraj wrote:
The only real point I've seen this this thread was in thunderbolt's post. Is school bullying a federal issue? I don't know.



Then look it up.

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Time for a break with Harry the baby pygmy hippo. Is this guy lovable or what? LOL! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ost_read_module

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Tiribulus wrote:
Time for a break with Harry the baby pygmy hippo. Is this guy lovable or what? LOL! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ost_read_module


Damn thats cute, I almost died from awsome cuteness LOL



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