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Forgive my hijack of all these hijacks in Hijack Haven, but I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the moderators who have had the sore displeasure of dealing with my numerous loooong posts and the many edits I discover to be necessary after posting said numerous loooong posts. I am almost alwys hurried when typing these nowadays. Your patience is appreciated. This almost deserves it's own thread =D

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DrSkeptix wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
James Madison, Federalist #51:

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.

http://www.constitution.org/...ed/federa51.htm


More evidence--if any were needed--that The Federalist is the most profound and neglected treatise on human behavior in 300 years.


I agree. Shame the Democrats had to start out by shooting Publius dead though. A portent of things to come.

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I gotta say I thoroughly enjoyed this video:



That was pretty funny

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/...very/?hpt=hp_c1


How religion has been used to promote slavery

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Here's a link to the states with the most religious Americans:http://www.gallup.com/poll/153479/Mississippi-Religious-State.aspx

Do these results align with your expectations?

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therajraj wrote:
Here's a link to the states with the most religious Americans:http://www.gallup.com/poll/153479/Mississippi-Religious-State.aspx

Do these results align with your expectations?


Yes. The South has always been known to be fervent in her religiosity.

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Christian Groups Take Issue With Anti-Bullying Laws

of religious freedom.

Focus on the Family is planning to counter the "Day of Silence," an annual event to protest LGBT bullying set for April 20, with its own "Day of Dialogue". The evangelical organization's aim is to muffle an effort that "crosses the line in a lot of ways beyond bullying into indoctrination, just promoting homosexuality and transgenderism."

The group has been advocating an anti-anti-bullying message for years. When a California school adopted an anti-bullying rule that mentioned gays and lesbians in 2010, backlash ensued.

"The school introduced anti-bullying lessons, but really they're teaching elementary school kids about gay marriage," Candi Cushman, education analyst for Focus on the Family, told ABC. "We think parents should have the right to teach kids about it in their own way."

In March, a Christian hard rock band delivered an unusual message to Iowa high school students at an assembly about bullying. "They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42," one parent told the La Crosse Tribune.

Socially conservative groups nationwide have lobbied state legislatures to strike down and limit anti-bullying measures, The Guardian's Katherine Stewart reports.

Last month a Christian, family-values lobbying group convinced Arizona lawmakers to kill an anti-bullying bill that it said carried a gay friendly agenda, according to the Arizona Daily Star. The state Senate's minority leader, David Schapira, blamed the president of the lobbying group for killing the bill, calling her a "legislative terrorist."


"Cathi Herrod, an unelected lobbyist, killed a bill that would protect all Arizona kids purely because of her intolerance of gay kids," he said.

Materials on the Center for Arizona Policy's site tell Christian parents that their children have the responsibility to share their faith with others, and Herrod, the center's president, wrote in a statement that she opposed the anti-bullying bill in Arizona because it encouraged LGBT tolerance.

In recent years, concerns about bullying have garnered national attention. But when you look behind the curtain at what is driving this nationwide dialogue, you find out that the groups that are pushing the "anti-bullying" campaigns are the same organizations working to redefine marriage and to force cultural acceptance and affirmation of homosexual lifestyles.
Other states have passed legislation that specifically protects religious bullies. In 2011, Michigan passed a bill with a provision that allows bullying based on "a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction."

The law, called Matt's Safe School Law, was named after Matt Epling, a gay teenager who killed himself in 2002 after bullies assaulted him. The clause was removed following outrage from lawmakers and Epling's parents.

An anti-bullying bill introduced last year in Tennessee contained similar language regarding faith-based bullying:

Harassment, intimidation, or bullying prevention task forces, programs, and other initiatives formed by school districts, including any curriculum adopted for such purposes, shall not include materials or training that explicitly or implicitly promote a political agenda, make the characteristics of the victim the focus rather than the conduct of the person engaged in harassment, intimidation, or bullying, or teach or suggest that certain beliefs or viewpoints are discriminatory when an act or practice based on such belief or viewpoint is not a discriminatory practice as defined in 4-21-102(4).
Like the early version of the Michigan bill, this measure originally was introduced in the wake of a gay teen's suicide. Last year, the Tennessee Senate passed a so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill that would have prohibited teachers from acknowledging any sexuality other than heterosexuality to students between kindergarten and eighth grade. It was voted down in the state House.

Anti-bullying backlash doesn't only come from Christian groups. Orthodox Jewish and Christian groups came together in Toronto last year to protest an anti-bullying measure ?as a vehicle to indoctrinate children into embracing a new sexual revolution.? It focused on the measure's call to establish a gay-straight alliance, and add support for students of all sexual orientations and gender identities.

?To force, especially Christian, classrooms or schools to have homosexual clubs would, of course, be an affront to their family values,? said Charles McVety, president of Christian Canada College. ?And what does this have to do with bullying? Nothing.?

Besides loving thy neighbor, what does the Bible say about bullying?

?Anyone who claims to be in the light, but hates his brother is still in the darkness.? 1 John 2:9

According to the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, 9 out of 10 LGBT teens report being bullied at school and these students are two to three times more likely to commit suicide than their straight peers.

Need help? In the U.S., call 1-800-273-8255 for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.

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So how come you guys aren't this hardcore?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...hilippines.html

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therajraj wrote:
Focus on the Family is planning to counter the "Day of Silence," an annual event to protest LGBT bullying set for April 20, with its own "Day of Dialogue".


"Day of Silence" is agitprop organised the by GLSEN. Obama went through all this stuff with GLSEN two years ago during the 2010 election cycle:

http://www.schoolsecurityblog....

http://keyboardmilitia.com/...school-toolkit/

'GLSEN, the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network, is a subversive organization that is seeking to worm its way into elementary and high schools around the country to spread homosexual propaganda under the guise of stopping "bullying." We've pointed out some of their outrageous and disgusting behavior (including the sick sex conferences they have sponsored) in the past, as well as pointed out that far from ending bullying, GLSEN exists to make Christian kids and those from traditional morality homes the targets of discrimination.

Over a quarter of a million dollars(federal subsidies) every year for a radical sexual group to indoctrinate kids. But let's be sure to note exactly what this money is going to be used for, because undoubtedly the left will tell us it's all to make kids "safe" (as though encouraging risky sexual experimentation into dangerous behavior like homosexuality makes kids safe.)

The kit includes two posters and a 42-page "Guide to Being an Ally to LGBT Students." Among other things, the guide offers specific strategies for supporting LGBT students, including how to educate students about anti-LGBT bias and teaching respect for all people.

The kit also explains how to "advocate for change inside the school."

Bingo! And there's the catch. This is about indoctrination, as it always is with GLSEN, not safety. The safety angle is the hook and the foot in the door. The GLSEN activists then pour out of the Trojan Horse and set about their real business. And what is that "real business" you ask:


'Social conservatives have attacked the Safe Space Kits for providing a list of sexually graphic books. According to Focus on the Family, one of the books recommended for grades 7-12 titled Rainbow Boy includes a description of high school boys looking at male pornography. Another book, What If Someone I Know is Gay, explains that "sometimes it does take a sexual and/or emotional experience for someone to understand and recognize what their true feelings are."

Yes, just the message of safety you want your kid to learn, isn't it? If you see GLSEN roll into your school district, start screaming from the rafters. Any school corporation that has the well being or best interest of its students in mind will not let GLSEN within 100 yards of the front door.'

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therajraj wrote:
So how come you guys aren't this hardcore?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...hilippines.html


Because we're too hardcore.

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How bout because that is rank blasphemous idolatry?

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Tiribulus wrote:
How bout because that is rank blasphemous idolatry?


Explain to everyone how it is rank blasphemous idolatry?

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Radical gay "Rights" agitators in schools:

http://www.reuters.com/...615003220120405

Organised by the same radical gay group GLSEN mentioned above by raj - part of an orchestrated attack on Christians. They work from within churches as well of course. After the Anglican Communion's first openly gay bishop was appointed the bishop of Maryland re-invented the bible to accomodate the infiltrators. He argued that God is not against gay sex. Only gay sex practiced by straight men. "We might say about the Sodom passage that it is not really about a group of gay men behaving badly, but a group of heterosexual men behaving atrociously" he said. The Washington Compost lapped it up with an editorial in the Post's On Faith section:

"Now, we move on to Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1-16, see text at end of post), the infamous cities of homosexual sin. Or is that their sin? Certainly, that is how tradition has passed them on to us - even giving us a name (sodomites) for the unspeakable sin and those who commit it. However, most modern Old Testament scholars agree that that may not indeed be true, and that the point of the story was Sodom's violation of the rather strict and universally acknowledged norms of hospitality - a code of ethics one still finds in Middle Eastern cultures today."

This is the face of the post-modern Church. It's far worse in Europe of course.

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GLSEN is part of a network of radical gay groups - the "anarchist" gay group "Bash Back" is one of the radical arms of GLSEN. Here they are invading a church screaming "Jesus is a homo" on megaphones, setting off fire alarms, storming the pulpit etc.



Violent, deranged sodomites attacking and bullying the parishioners. These are the groups that just want access to your seven-year-old so they can explain how bullying is wrong see?

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Brother Chris wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:How bout because that is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Explain to everyone how it is rank blasphemous idolatry?
Christopher. Please tell me you are not denying that having someone nail you to a cross in a self serving attempt to gain merit with God is blasphemous of the sacrifice of Christ. Ya jist gotta man. Can ya do that today? Tell me you're not denying that?
SexMachine wrote:<<< Violent, deranged sodomites attacking and bullying the parishioners. These are the groups that just want access to your seven-year-old so they can explain how bullying is wrong see?
Uhh... no.... they will NOT see. I'm gonna have to predict.

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SexMachine wrote:

'GLSEN, the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network, is a subversive organization that is seeking to worm its way into elementary and high schools around the country to spread homosexual propaganda under the guise of stopping "bullying." We've pointed out some of their outrageous and disgusting behavior (including the sick sex conferences they have sponsored) in the past, as well as pointed out that far from ending bullying, GLSEN exists to make Christian kids and those from traditional morality homes the targets of discrimination.



Over a quarter of a million dollars(federal subsidies) every year for a radical sexual group to indoctrinate kids. But let's be sure to note exactly what this money is going to be used for, because undoubtedly the left will tell us it's all to make kids "safe" (as though encouraging risky sexual experimentation into dangerous behavior like homosexuality makes kids safe.)

The kit includes two posters and a 42-page "Guide to Being an Ally to LGBT Students." Among other things, the guide offers specific strategies for supporting LGBT students, including how to educate students about anti-LGBT bias and teaching respect for all people.

The kit also explains how to "advocate for change inside the school."

Bingo! And there's the catch. This is about indoctrination, as it always is with GLSEN, not safety. The safety angle is the hook and the foot in the door. The GLSEN activists then pour out of the Trojan Horse and set about their real business. And what is that "real business" you ask:


'Social conservatives have attacked the Safe Space Kits for providing a list of sexually graphic books. According to Focus on the Family, one of the books recommended for grades 7-12 titled Rainbow Boy includes a description of high school boys looking at male pornography. Another book, What If Someone I Know is Gay, explains that "sometimes it does take a sexual and/or emotional experience for someone to understand and recognize what their true feelings are."

Yes, just the message of safety you want your kid to learn, isn't it? If you see GLSEN roll into your school district, start screaming from the rafters. Any school corporation that has the well being or best interest of its students in mind will not let GLSEN within 100 yards of the front door.'


Everything you wrote here basically sounds like propaganda from a Christian right-wing site.

How exactly are they being "indocrinated" and with what? That you shouldn't bully people?

In another thread Sloth posted some crazy right wing video where the video stated Planned Parenthood was getting kids addicted to sex (LOL). So I'm a little skeptical of the sites you posted. Do you have any mainstream media links to back this claim or copies of set question material? A quick skimming of their safe space kits found nothing (I'll admit it was a quick skim though).

I'd probably guess it's just Christians getting upset with homosexuality becoming normalized within society.

BTW is this bill that the Christians striked down:

http://www.azleg.gov/...;Session_ID=107

What about this bill do you have a problem with?


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SexMachine wrote:
GLSEN is part of a network of radical gay groups - the "anarchist" gay group "Bash Back" is one of the radical arms of GLSEN. Here they are invading a church screaming "Jesus is a homo" on megaphones, setting off fire alarms, storming the pulpit etc.



Violent, deranged sodomites attacking and bullying the parishioners. These are the groups that just want access to your seven-year-old so they can explain how bullying is wrong see?


Okay and their idiots too.

Now tell me what upsets you about the anti-bullying bill?

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Watch the video on this page

http://www.dailykos.com/...-bullying-bill-

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therajraj wrote:

Everything you wrote here basically sounds like propaganda from a Christian right-wing site.

How exactly are they being "indocrinated" and with what? That you shouldn't bully people?



Are you deliberately ingoring everything I've posted about GLSEN?

The kit also explains how to "advocate for change inside the school."

I have given examples of what they do and advocate.


In another thread Sloth posted some crazy right wing video where the video stated Planned Parenthood was getting kids addicted to sex (LOL).


raj, do you know why I often call people trolls? It's because their minds work so differently to mine - the way they think is so alien to me - that I find it difficult to believe they are being serious. I have seen that video and what it reveals I find incredibly disturbing. If you've seen the video and all you have to say is the crap you just posted above with "LOL" after it then there is really no point in continuing this discussion.


So I'm a little skeptical of the sites you posted. Do you have any mainstream media links to back this claim or copies of set question material? A quick skimming of their safe space kits found nothing (I'll admit it was a quick skim though).


I don't even know what you're talking about. Do you know how to evaluate any article? Where the author quotes from the "safe space kit" pamphlet he then makes a comment on the quote. Now, what you do is decide if you agree that the author's comment makes sense. Whether you agree with their interpretation. You can check the quote against the original and read it context and so on. So I don't even know what "claim" you are talking about. And the fact that you describe an article as "right wing" and then ask for a "mainstream media link" shows you don't have any understanding of how to evaluate sources. You evaluate the claims that are made based on the evidence presented.


I'd probably guess it's just Christians getting upset with homosexuality becoming normalized within society.


You'd be wrong. I told you this is an orchestrated attack by radical groups with a political agenda. You know about "Fistgate" and "Fistgate 2?" You wouldn't understand what all the fuss was about though would you? Or you'd pretend not to.

I showed you that I've seen it all before last election cycle. I see this stuff all the time raj. Year after year. In my country. In your country. In Europe. I gave you an example of the stage it has reached in Germany with government funded programs for kindegarten children that recommend sexually molesting babies and infants. Do you understand that? You think that just happened by chance all of a sudden? That the government approved something like that and then it was introduced to schools? Or deep down do you think that's normal - just the next stage? It is the next stage isn't it? Otherwise where did it come from?


BTW is this bill that the Christians striked down:

http://www.azleg.gov/...;Session_ID=107

What about this bill do you have a problem with?



Why don't you explain why it's needed, how it's constitutional and why every single school in the history of mankind didn't need it before now. Also explain how people will ensure that it is not abused to impose an ideological agenda.

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'...Iqbal Sacranie is a Muslim of such examplary "moderation" he's been knighted by the Queen. Around the time Brokeback Mountain opened, Sir Iqbal, head of the Muslim Council of Britain, was on the BBC and expressed the view that homosexuality was "immoral," "not acceptable," "spreads disease," and "damaged the very foundations of society." A gay group complained and Sir Iqbal was investigated by Scotland Yard's "community safety unit" which deals with "hate crimes" and "homophobia."

Independently but simultaneously, the magazine GALHA(the Gay And Lesbian Humanist Association) called Islam a "barmy doctrine" growing "like a canker" and "deeply homophobic." In return, the London Race Hate Crime Forum asked Scotland Yard to investigate GALHA for "Islamophobia."

Got that? If a Muslim says that Islam is opposed to homosexuality, he can be investigated for homophobia; but if a gay says that Islam is opposed to homosexuality, he can be investigated for Islamophobia.

As someone who's called Islamophobic and homophobic every day of the week, I can't help marveling at the speed and skill with which Muslim lobby groups have mastered the language of victimhood so adroitly used by the gay lobby..."Homophobia" was always absurd: people who are antipathetic to gays are not afraid of them in any real sense. The invention of a phony-baloney "phobia" was a way of casting opposition to the gay political agenda as a kind of mental illness: don't worry, you're not really against same-sex marriage; with a bit of treatment and some medication, you'll soon be feeling okay.

On the other hand, "Islamophobia" is not phony or even psychological but very literal - if you're a Dutch member of parliament or British novelist or Danish cartoonist in hiding under threat of death or a French schoolgirl in certain suburbs getting jeered as an infidel whore, your Islamophobia is highly justified. But Islam's appropriation of the gay lobby's framing of the debate is very artful. It's the most explicit example of how Islam uses politically correct self-indulgent victimology as a cover. You'll recall that most Western media outlets declined to publish those Danish cartoons showing the Prophet Mohammed. Thus, even as they were piously warning of a rise in bogus "Islamophobia" - i.e., entirely justified concerns over Islamic terrorism and related issues - they were themselves suffering from genuine Islamophobia - i.e., a very real fear that, if they published those cartoons, an angry mob would storm their offices. It was a fine example of how the progressive mind's invented psychoses leave it without any words to describe real dangers.' - Mark Steyn

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therajraj wrote:

Okay and their idiots too.



Then what were they doing in the Whitehouse?

'Kevin Jennings, now the "safe schools" czar in Barack Obama's US Department of Education, is a major homosexual activist who has devoted his career to pushing homosexuality in the nation's schools. Founder and executive director of the nationwide Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

Jennings was a member of Act Up. Radical homosexual group profaned churches, vandalized homes and businesses, disrupted public events. Also: hosted Barack Obama in his home.


Now tell me what upsets you about the anti-bullying bill?


'Jennings revealed how the homosexual movement uses "safety" as a phony strategy to intimidate legislators and school officials.'

'Read his own words -- 1995 speech by Kevin Jennings, (currently working in the US Department of Education) bragging about how homosexual activists tricked the Massachusetts Legislature:'

http://www.massresistance.org/..._the_issue.html

More on Kevin Jennings:

In 1993, Jennings designed the model for the Massachusetts Dept. of Education to push homosexuality in schools -- which has now spread across the country.

The "Fistgate" conference - Homosexual activists teaching children how to perform homosexual sex acts. Caution: VERY disturbing. Jennings was Executive Director of GLSEN and the keynote speaker at this conference.

Graphic homosexual handouts and paraphernalia given to kids at the Fistgate conference run by "Safe Schools" czar Kevin Jennings in 2000

The "Little Black Book" - Hard-core pornographic homosexual "how-to" booklet given to kids at high school during GLSEN event! How to "safely" perform degrading homosexual sex acts, and where to go to meet homosexuals.

2009: Jennings helps Harvard celebrate homosexual terrorist group "Act Up" Contributes to offensive display of sexual perversion, child pornography, and anti-Catholic bigotry exhibit at Harvard University.

At GLSEN conference 2005: Graphic talk on transsexuality/ transgenderism given to children by homosexual activists.

Also at GLSEN conference 2005: Planned Parenthood gives radical "transgender / transsexual" workshop to kids.

"Safe Schools" czar Kevin Jennings to g(o)t $410 million in Obama's 2011 federal budget. To push homosexual and transgender programs in America's schools!

Kevin Jennings helps introduce bill in Congress to require normalization of homosexuality, transgenderism, cross-dressing, etc., in America's public schools! HB 2510: Every parent's worst nightmare coming true.

http://www.massresistance.org/...ings/index.html

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SexMachine wrote:

Are you deliberately ingoring everything I've posted about GLSEN?

The kit also explains how to "advocate for change inside the school."

I have given examples of what they do and advocate.


I don't care about GLSEN. My issue is with Christians fighting this anti-bullying bill. I'm interested in discussing the bill.


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raj, do you know why I often call people trolls? It's because their minds work so differently to mine - the way they think is so alien to me - that I find it difficult to believe they are being serious. I have seen that video and what it reveals I find incredibly disturbing. If you've seen the video and all you have to say is the crap you just posted above with "LOL" after it then there is really no point in continuing this discussion.


And that video was so absurd I thought it was a parody the first time I watched it. There's nothing factual about that video so it shouldn't disturb you. So yes my response is "LOL"

It was unintended comedy gold.


SexMachine wrote:

I don't even know what you're talking about. Do you know how to evaluate any article? Where the author quotes from the "safe space kit" pamphlet he then makes a comment on the quote. Now, what you do is decide if you agree that the author's comment makes sense. Whether you agree with their interpretation. You can check the quote against the original and read it context and so on. So I don't even know what "claim" you are talking about. And the fact that you describe an article as "right wing" and then ask for a "mainstream media link" shows you don't have any understanding of how to evaluate sources. You evaluate the claims that are made based on the evidence presented.


I stand by what I said. That ridiculous American Life League video is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. If what you're saying is true, it should not be hard for you to provide a mainstream media link.

SexMachine wrote:

Why don't you explain why it's needed, how it's constitutional and why every single school in the history of mankind didn't need it before now. Also explain how people will ensure that it is not abused to impose an ideological agenda.


Ahhh finally something actually related to the bill.

Bullying in school is prevalent and this bill helps address that issue.

Now answer my question. Where in this bill is the "hidden gay agenda" and what exactly do you have a problem with in this bill?

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