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tark9570 wrote:
BGB wrote:
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i have an enormous respect for women who compete in any type of bodybuilding contest- bb, figure, or fitness. it takes a ton a determination, crazy hard work, and the will of an ass to do it. it's something i don't think i ever could. however, i was reading in Anthony Roberts' article that the woman he was training lost her period- that scares me. the day i lose my ability to procreate (before menopause) would send me for a loop. i have to think that doing something that extreme CANNOT be healthy for your body.


This is what I hate the most about my competition I think. I mean I don't really miss my period but I hate how I know it's not good for me and I'm now lacking progesterone. I know it will come back though and I'm trying to supplement to get it back. And it's not like I went to crazy bf levels like some figure girls, I went down to 10% by my show, nothing crazy.

But I understand why you think that way and that is the very reason I know I won't go far in the figure world as I'm not willing to put myself through unhealthy things to get there.
I refuse to do cardio at all, I keep my diet quite healthy, balenced and in check, I don't dehydrate myself and I like to feel great on my show day.



i know it comes back, and i know i may sound like the average conservative doctor, but do you know if your levels ever bounce back to normal? i'd be scared that i would never be right after several years of dieting and exercising like that. besides, i think i enjoy jamba juice way too much to ever get that lean! i convince myself that i like being "sturdy". congrats, though. how often do you compete? and by contest time, how many calories are you eating? and what about sleep? do you lose it? do you feel extremely tired? and what motivates you- how did you even get into figure competition?


I can't answer for BGB just myself. I've only done one 'natural' show. While the prep was extreme compared to most American diets I did not find it too taxing. I eat Berardi Style and normally carry between 13-15% BF. I did show specific training for 8 weeks - 6 days a week. These averaged approx. one hour each. Calories at this point were at or above my maintance of 2000. Four weeks out I started CW's Summer Project with some slight mods. Calories at this point were at maintenance or slightly below. Two weeks out I starting actually dieting. At that point I dropped dairy and dropped my calories to approx. 1300-1400. That combined with Chad's program were enough to drop me to a level of leanness necessary for my amateur contest. (approx. 11%). My sleep never suffered at all. The workouts the last two weeks were difficult with limited carbs and calories; Spike definately helped! All in all I felt pretty good. And I have to say show day I did not feel skinny. In fact, I can only say one girl in my show had ribs showing.

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jsbrook wrote:
Say why you will about societal-driven standards of beauty, and some of it is undoubtedly true, but much of it is biology. We are, to a degree, hardwired to appreciate certain shapes in both the male and female body. The V-shape in the male body. And there is a shape that is almost universally accepted as most beautiful for the female body, and it's not a V. It's an hourglass. This has held true in almost every culture that has been investigated. The degree of bodyfat varies. Some cultures like slimmer women and some heavier and have throughout the ages. Much has had to do with abundance or scarcity of food historically.

But almost universally, the hourglass figure has been prefered. In thin-obsessed societies studies have even shown that men prefer overweight women with an hourglass shape to angular thin women. There are also traditional features in men and women's faces that are most appealing. To a large degree they might termed masculine or feminine.

Male faces with squarer jaws and more pronounced browlines are found to be more attarctive. The opposite is true for women. Infants and children show these same preferences. Before infants can even speak, they have been shown to stare longer and harder at pictures of faces that adults have found the most beautiful.


I guess this explains everything. My hardwiring is haywire, and has been since birth.

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This discussion is along the same lines as my post on the thread about AR's Figure article. I'm a dabbler in BB competition, started lifting in 1981 and did my first competition, a tested NPC show, at age 35, and did my most recent show at age 40 last spring. I lift because I enjoy it. It keeps me grounded, healthy, I can go into any gym when I'm traveling or anywhere on the planet and feel at home both among the eqpt & the people there.

I started lifting on a Universal machine at the YMCA while waiting for the racquetball courts to open when I played my dad every week. I joined my first gym at age 18 when Nautilus eqpt was all the rage and we still wore ankle warmers and did "Jane Fonda". I LOVED Rachel McLish but you never saw women lifting or being big. I hired my first real BB trainer in 1989 but even then you never saw women lifting in the gym. Esp free weights. There was one lady who trained at my gym who apparently placed 10th at the Ms Olympia at/ around 1989 and she was skerry looking.

But that was the only thing you saw as far as women doing any sort of serious lifting. That same year I was introduced to the idea that barfing meant it was "a good leg day". That was cool - pretty hard core huh? :)

OK so even up to 2000 I was in FL and still rarely saw women lifting anything like hardcore. This was also around the time "Figure" started. I would say I had a nice figure body at my first BB competition but there was absolutely nothing enticing to me about figure. I"m not a "girly girl" by any stretch and frankly I really enjoy the performance aspect of BB. Figure, and please understand that I am not dissing the sport when I say this - this is primarily my perception as a BB and what I personally want out of my time on stage - to me figure looks like nothign but qtr turns in $1000+ worth of makeup, suits & accessories, and then its so limited as far as judging criteria, they have to go change into a different suit & do it again.

I actually find the competitions annoying because there are so freeking' many of the figure competitors and it takes so damn long and they just stand there.

OK away from my little self-important rant -- but what I do see in the figure competition is an outlet for the girls who are more girly than I am who enjoy the makeup & shoes but are still hardcore trainers and arent' interested in the more 'masculine' BB stuff. It is also a fantastic affirmation for girls who have fought extra fat & lousy self-esteem for their whole lives. It serves many purposes, but note that most of them are primarily personal goals and not for the purpose of making money.

Frankly to expect to make money in this sport borders on ignorant except for those very special & well-connected few. Its a very expensive sport that continues to head towards the extremes both in physique and in cost. The judging criteria, as mentioned, regardless of what they "try" to say about it, will never remain consistent or objective. As w/ any women's sport, it will forever be skewed by the sex aspect.

A really annoying comment about physique competitors is that people say things like how sickly they look or whatever and seem to think that this is how they look all the time or that one five minute period on stage defines the entire lifestyle - granted it is what you get judged on but that "look" lasts for maybe 2 days tops before it settles back into a higher bodyfat and less extreme look. In my mind the discussion about whether or not its a "healthy" look is sort of besides the poitn because it isn't a state of being - physique sports are sports of TIME - you prepare for them over 3-4 months and the "look" is evolving all the time up to, as well as after the show.

To that point however, there's a fantastic article on T-Nation about Post Competition Syndrome that I think should be mandatory reading for all would-be competitors. Between that & Anthony's article, I think those give a realistic look at what is going on - regardless of all the personal goals and self-image and accomplishment and all that, the whole thing involves extreme short-term & long-term manipulatoin of hormones and body chemistry (not just referring to use of AAS but the whole overall change that you are imposing on your body) and the REBOUND that most people seem to forget.

The biggest question for anyong going thru comp prep is "What are you going to eat when its all over?" - and then comes the grocery list of sugar,fat, carbs and general "heart attack in a bag" stuff. And then the competitor is miserable for the next month after she's blown up 18 lb of water weight, feels like a complete failure, is mentally, physically & emotionally exhausted & depressed. THEN they learn another lesson about competition dieting ... the "dismount".

But again I ramble -- this same discussion about "what" exactly is female physique competition, is it "feminine", would you ever "do" that girl, should women use steroids, should women lift, how skinny is too skinny, how muscular is too muscular and the list goes on & on and those same questions have been there at least since I first stepped into a gym 25 yrs ago. LIke I said in my other post on Anthony's article - it is what it is. Most competitors should be aware that they are competiting for themselves because the competitions themselves are not really "valuable" in a general world sense.

They stand out as accomplishments in the world of fitness enthusiasts but most people would make a face and go "EWWWWWWWWWWWWW", I would never want to look like that. But for those girls who do pursue it, they are often very strong, very self-confident individuals who have accomplished somethign that will make a difference in their lives, what they think they can accomplish and how they feel about themselves.

They may also experience the complete high of being on stage after all the work, and then the complete low of the post-show crash & rebound. But if they are paying attention they will have learned somethign and will rise above the rebound and get back to where they want to be. Not all of them will - some may suffer from that experience and not come out of it so well. There are health issues that can come of it - but that's also where every competitor needs to understand (and maybe should sign the waiver) that this is their very own personal experiment because no one cane predict exactly what will work, what won't, how far that person will go and how their body will respond to it.

That is each individual's responsibility to make informed decisions along the way and learn from what ever happens. But not everyone realizes that. But guess what - peopel do it every day when they decide that they want to lose weight & say, go do the Atkins Diet for a year and then discover that it didnt' work "for them" -- maybe because they didn't, Oh I dunno, DO SOME EXERCISE?? ... this will lead me into my rant about the general state of health in the US &other places and what the media does to screw people out understanding how "fitness" REALLY works. But I won't go there.

At the end of the day, these competitions are available for people who choose to do them. If your goal is to "win an NPC Figure Competition", then you have to train & diet for their judging criteria (whatever it happens to be this year, this show, whatever). If your goal is to "be in the best shape of your life & do a show", then you have more freedom & empowerment to meet your goal on your terms and not subject to the goofy terms of the competition. OR if your goal is to just get int he best shape of your life, then you can do it on your own time, on your own terms.

But there is something very affirming about setting a time frame and the excitement of the prep that helps these goals. I've found that I do BB competitions when I am unsatisfied w/ my personal or professional life and need some sort of specific goal. That's what works for me. I havent' done a national level show and I continue to have issues w/ buildign up that sort of mass to really compete at that level but then still carry that around off season on my 41 yr old body.

But then maybe I can do that on my own terms - bring the body *I* want to achieve to the stage and just see how they judge it regardless of the general requirement of mass and all that. You can actually do that & maybe not get 1st place but get a decent showing and do it on your terms. That's when a competition is very rewarding. IF you want to go further tho, then you do have to make that decision about what you are going to have to do to get there and the impact on your body & your life. What other people say about it may be important to you or it may not. I think most competitors I know will say no it doesn't matter what others say because its a personal challenge and they are willing to accept what it takes to do it.

And then we are back to - the competition is what it is. It doesnt' really make much sense but people still do it and define themselves relative to the results / demands of that competition. It motivates them. And that's all it does. It is what it is. If you can further a modeling career with it or pursue the Ms. O Figure or whatever - great, but don't bank on it and continue to take it for what its worth - it is a huge accomplishment in terms of sports prep, but is that meaningful in your personal life or in the world at large? Depends on what you want it to mean.

I encourage girls who want ot compete, but I also give them all the caveats that I've learned along the way - but they never seem to believe it all until they go thru it once themselves. You'll never see me training for a marathon, even though people do it all the time for the same reasons they choose to do a figure competition. Is that healthy to run 26.2 miles? My shins would tell me no, bu then would one of them think training and dieting for 4 months is worth it? Probably not.

LOL So did I add anythign to the conversation? No idea. Does competition make sense? In some ways yes, in some ways no. Will people continue to do it? Sure. Will the criteria ever really be true to what we would like the sport to represent, probably not. Will female athletes ever get a truly objective judgement? Nope. But that's the way it is and we live w/ it. As long as we all understand that, people are best off pursuing what "moves" them but doing it intelligently or at least doing so taking responsibility for both the results & the consequences and learning from the whole experience and being a better person for it. That's at least what I take from it.

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What's the point in arguing over how a subjectively judged BEAUTY CONTEST is judged? Whether it's bodybuilding, fitness or figure comps - they're all beauty contests and our current societal values (among other things) influence what is desireable. BB/Fit/Fig is not a sport, it's a subjective competition for the most 'beautiful' thing (and obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

And despite all the hard work it takes to achieve any particular status in these realms, it doesn't make you an "athlete", even though you may exhibit athletic abilities in order to shape your body. There is nothing "athletic" about tanning, oiling up, buying ridiculously expensive outfits that are skimpier than anything they'd wear at a beach and then strutting across a stage only to strike a pose (to music nonetheless) and then exit stage left. Name me one other sport or athletic competition where this happens. *Cue Jepordy theme song*

Do we judge baseball, football, tennis, gymnastics, golf, basketball, soccer, triathoalon, ironman, etc ATHLETES by how they LOOK oiled up and naked? Or by how they PERFORM their abilities?

Sure, I think most BB women are too masculine for my taste and most BB men are just fucking ridiculously ICK. I happen to like most fitness girl's bodies and am disappointed by most figure girl's lack of musculature. But those are MY definitions of beauty. Entirely subjective, yes. I'll own that. I'm not about to tell anyone else that what they consider beautiful, ain't (well, I'll say it to express disagreement but I know full well that when it comes down to it in the end it's their call to make).

Simply put, if you don't dig it, don't compete. If you don't compete, don't bitch about something you have no stake in. Unless you simply like bitching to see your own text.... then knock yourself out.

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~karma~ wrote:
And despite all the hard work it takes to achieve any particular status in these realms, it doesn't make you an "athlete", even though you may exhibit athletic abilities in order to shape your body. There is nothing "athletic" about tanning, oiling up, buying ridiculously expensive outfits that are skimpier than anything they'd wear at a beach and then strutting across a stage only to strike a pose (to music nonetheless) and then exit stage left. Name me one other sport or athletic competition where this happens. *Cue Jepordy theme song*



Ice skating, ice dancing, dancing ("Sport Dance" I guess its called), competitive ballroom dancing, gymnastics to a degree, cheerleader competitions, etc.

Here's the wikipedia defn of "Sport" - A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess.

I guess you can also question whether or not "sport fishing", race car driving, etc. are sports & their competitors are "athletes" as well. That would go back to my statement about it sort of doesn't really matter what you call if people continue to do it and the competitiosn continue to exist. I really wish they would make the competition something that makes more sense and is a true competition - but Figure was really designed to make money and as such, will either take a turn towards the extremes that FBB was heading or will go the other direction & turn into a T & A show w/o some sort of less subjective criteria. That's just the way its going to be. So to your point, you either do it or ignore it.

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Sassy69 wrote:
That's just the way its going to be. So to your point, you either do it or ignore it.


Not if you want change to occur, or feel that inequality needs to be addressed.

OOps! Damn these seventies flashbacks!!

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Sassy69 wrote:Ice skating, ice dancing, dancing ("Sport Dance" I guess its called), competitive ballroom dancing, gymnastics to a degree, cheerleader competitions, etc.

Golly, Sassy, I guess I missed where skating, dancing and cheerleading involved costumes that barely kept the wearers from being arrested for indecent exposure while standing still/doing 1/4 turns (fig) or prescribed still poses (BB/fig- the part they're judged on according to the guidelines are 6 or so poses they must hold). It seems to me that your examples tend to support my theory that movement, hence athleticism, is necessary if there is to be an evaluation on said movement/athleticsim. Otherwise, it's a beauty contest.

If all a group of cheerleaders did was stand still, naked and oiled, and chant their shit, I seriously doubt they'd be able to "compete" with the rest of the cheerleading squads. However fun it might be to watch....

Here's the wikipedia defn of "Sport" - A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess.

I guess you can also question whether or not "sport fishing", race car driving, etc. are sports & their competitors are "athletes" as well. That would go back to my statement about it sort of doesn't really matter what you call if people continue to do it and the competitiosn continue to exist. I really wish they would make the competition something that makes more sense and is a true competition - but Figure was really designed to make money and as such, will either take a turn towards the extremes that FBB was heading or will go the other direction & turn into a T & A show w/o some sort of less subjective criteria. That's just the way its going to be. So to your point, you either do it or ignore it.



Yep, you could argue just about anything is a sport with that Wikipedia definition. Knitting would fit that defintion, ya know.

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Karma just made an excellent argument for what I've been pointing out for ages, which is the reality that, regardless of what it's faithful say, golf . . . is NOT a fucking sport!

Thank you.

(Sorry to hijack)!

:)

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gojira wrote:
I don't want to have to worry about every stitch of food I put in my mouth. I don't want to keep a food log or count carbohydrates. If I want a potato with my steak, I'll have one, by god.



Yet you look awesome (spikes and claws notwithstanding), there's a lesson to be learned....

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Mufasa wrote:
I remember saying:

"Cool; there will FINALLY be a showcase for truly athletic and active women; and a place for them to learn REAL diet and training that wasn't all "salad and soy" (ala "Shape") or represented the extremes of Female Bodybuilding."

Mags like "Hers", "Oxygen" and "Biceps" (no longer published) were doing okay...but stuggling.

And what happens? "Women's Health" puts the same anorexic women on the front and in the Mag that you would find in "Cosmo"...but they put a Sports Bra on them and have them stand next to a Kayak, (making them "athletic", I guess).

And the content? "Prevention" for the younger women.

I'm as confused as you are, G...

Is the market for athletic women who actually lift weights and workout so elusive and difficult to define that there ends up being no market?

Mufasa


Well, man, I think for the most part guys are still insecure about "actual" athletic women, physically fit women, and strong women. I like damsels in distress as much as the next chauvinist, but I prefer a woman who will stand beside me, not hide behind me.

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~karma~ wrote:
Sassy69 wrote:Ice skating, ice dancing, dancing ("Sport Dance" I guess its called), competitive ballroom dancing, gymnastics to a degree, cheerleader competitions, etc.
Golly, Sassy, I guess I missed where skating, dancing and cheerleading involved costumes that barely kept the wearers from being arrested for indecent exposure while standing still/doing 1/4 turns (fig) or prescribed still poses (BB/fig- the part they're judged on according to the guidelines are 6 or so poses they must hold). It seems to me that your examples tend to support my theory that movement, hence athleticism, is necessary if there is to be an evaluation on said movement/athleticsim. Otherwise, it's a beauty contest.

If all a group of cheerleaders did was stand still, naked and oiled, and chant their shit, I seriously doubt they'd be able to "compete" with the rest of the cheerleading squads. However fun it might be to watch....

Here's the wikipedia defn of "Sport" - A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess.

I guess you can also question whether or not "sport fishing", race car driving, etc. are sports & their competitors are "athletes" as well. That would go back to my statement about it sort of doesn't really matter what you call if people continue to do it and the competitiosn continue to exist. I really wish they would make the competition something that makes more sense and is a true competition - but Figure was really designed to make money and as such, will either take a turn towards the extremes that FBB was heading or will go the other direction & turn into a T & A show w/o some sort of less subjective criteria. That's just the way its going to be. So to your point, you either do it or ignore it.



Yep, you could argue just about anything is a sport with that Wikipedia definition. Knitting would fit that defintion, ya know.


I guess I don't really argue your point about Figure competition - it truly is a retarded competition IMO, but it is what it is. Maybe "art" would be a better word for it? There are art competitions -- maybe that's a better definition. But I guess don't really care what you call it. I'm also not concerned if other people call it a sport or not a sport. I enjoy it, I do it, it helps me set goals for myself & then go on stage -- because I enjoy it.

So ... I don't argue the point because its sort of irrelevant. If you don't like the sport, don't get involved with it. I sort of even bail on the figure parts of BB competitions because they just don't thrill me, but I support anyone I know who pursues those competitions as a goal.

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Damici wrote:
Karma just made an excellent argument for what I've been pointing out for ages, which is the reality that, regardless of what it's faithful say, golf . . . is NOT a fucking sport!

Thank you.

(Sorry to hijack)!

:)



My response - I dont' really care if you call it a true sport or whatever -- its a pasttime that I enjoy, is rewarding and brings out my passion for somethign that I devote time & effort to. Good enough for me. And as long as there are competitions, there will be competitors. Hopefully these are people who get more out of it than just the chance to stand on stage for a few minutes in $1000 worth of bling and "get" the part where fitness is a lifestyle.

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hehe, old thread but it touched on something I've been thinking of today... Yes, most figure competitors look hideous in their pro shots, they try to look like Barbie dolls on roids with fake tits and skanky costumes.. The top ones do have impressive physiques, but AAS use and unhealthy dieting are obvious.

Now this is to men who say that males are hard-wired to objectify women: why are you so homophobic? If you're a dumb*ss primitive ape, doesn't mean that every one on the planet is like you. Go kill yourself.

People like you... if I see anyone trying to stare at me in my gym.... I like to freak the living hell out of them by packing a dick and taping my micro-chesticles while wearing a wifebeater when I work out :]] Makes long hours in the gym waaay more entertaining, trust me! If ya wanna be like the "nature wired ya" and stare... remember that gym equipment is a heavy shyte and a great equalizer when used rite--this stuff can do a lot of damage... in fact thinking of kicking the hell out of shauvinistic, sexist, misogynist males and teaching them a lesson if they mess with you is a great motivator for muscle-building workouts, trust me gives no less motivation than desire to compete in figure!

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I was thinking of pulling this off... entering a figure competition... and at the time of going on stage show up with taped down chesticles and packed balls....and the unshaven look ya know?....and a friend videotaping the whole thing and a freakout it'd cause LOL

Btw, to those idiots who say that feminine and masculine physiques are somehow defined by more or less muscle mass--nope, not at all... one (say a girl) can have little muscle but boy's physique, and tons of muscle but still a woman's look. A dude can carry quite a bit of muscle, but still look fem (especially in breast implants are involved).

Anyway, time for transsexual and LGBT figure contest! cause while breeders are judging figure competitions they will try to bring women down and turn them into hideous sex objects cause they can't stand the thought of them being stronger than them or having "masculine" features (in their fckedup skewed opinion).

Hey, I was hardwired to find femmy men attractive... I like no muscle, soft ass and soft weak body on men, eat this stupid breeders I was HARDWIRED for this.

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x010xx1 wrote:
hehe, old thread but it touched on something I've been thinking of today... Yes, most figure competitors look hideous in their pro shots, they try to look like Barbie dolls on roids with fake tits and skanky costumes.. The top ones do have impressive physiques, but AAS use and unhealthy dieting are obvious.

Now this is to men who say that males are hard-wired to objectify women: why are you so homophobic? If you're a dumb*ss primitive ape, doesn't mean that every one on the planet is like you. Go kill yourself.

People like you... if I see anyone trying to stare at me in my gym.... I like to freak the living hell out of them by packing a dick and taping my micro-chesticles while wearing a wifebeater when I work out :]] Makes long hours in the gym waaay more entertaining, trust me! If ya wanna be like the "nature wired ya" and stare... remember that gym equipment is a heavy shyte and a great equalizer when used rite--this stuff can do a lot of damage... in fact thinking of kicking the hell out of shauvinistic, sexist, misogynist males and teaching them a lesson if they mess with you is a great motivator for muscle-building workouts, trust me gives no less motivation than desire to compete in figure!


Daddy didn't love you, did he?

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Yo Momma wrote:
gojira wrote:
But we're getting off track here. Drugs are a problem in all sports. The problem with all physique contests is that the judging is very subjective. Then try to add in an amorphous quality such as "femininity" and it really gets out of hand.

How come they don't judge the men on their masculinity?

Anyone remember Bob Paris?


I believe you've hit the nail on the head, and this is where the inequity lies. The concepts of what is feminine and masculine are not standards because of the complete subjectivity to one's own opinion. Just read the comments from the guys who post on the "muscular women" threads. A woman is no longer "feminine" if she is "too muscular" and God forbid if she has an angular jawline!

Sometimes I feel that what I fought so hard for in the seventies, trying to find a place for women in sports, is somehow reversing itself in the present generation by reverting back to an archaic concept of what indeed is feminine. As I've said before, I'll take my cleats over high heels anyday of the week.


Maybe, but I think you'd be mistaking to suggest that it's an "archaic" feminism, rather than becoming culturally effeminate. Probably half the off-topic threads on this site are dedicated to ripping on small guys getting cast as/attempting to play "masculine" roles in movies or on TV, or just general bitching about scrawny guys in pop-culture.

If you're not strictly competing for size, then the aesthetic-flavor-of-the-day will prevail, and that's small and lean. Someone posted the prize for the Olympia competition in the various categories. I think the reality is that if we want to see the woman's prize come up to the men's, the competition has to be as marketable.

Kratos wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
I remember saying:

"Cool; there will FINALLY be a showcase for truly athletic and active women; and a place for them to learn REAL diet and training that wasn't all "salad and soy" (ala "Shape") or represented the extremes of Female Bodybuilding."

Mags like "Hers", "Oxygen" and "Biceps" (no longer published) were doing okay...but stuggling.

And what happens? "Women's Health" puts the same anorexic women on the front and in the Mag that you would find in "Cosmo"...but they put a Sports Bra on them and have them stand next to a Kayak, (making them "athletic", I guess).

And the content? "Prevention" for the younger women.

I'm as confused as you are, G...

Is the market for athletic women who actually lift weights and workout so elusive and difficult to define that there ends up being no market?

Mufasa


Well, man, I think for the most part guys are still insecure about "actual" athletic women, physically fit women, and strong women. I like damsels in distress as much as the next chauvinist, but I prefer a woman who will stand beside me, not hide behind me.


Same thing again: most guys would rather have ribs and abs than squat x2 their bodyweight and have some size these days. Do you think these guys are interested in a women who would beat them at arm-wrestling? When the entire paradigm shifts to the skinny and small, it all moves.

Also, think about the kinds of "athletics" your typical "athletic" twenty-thirty-something does: maybe plays a club-team sport? Probably rides a bike, or goes hiking... skis or snowboards... these are activities that at the armature level don't require much muscularity, and favor cardio conditioning: a runner's body. And it's that body that your typical sort-of-active-twenty-to-thirty-something thinks of as being "athletic".

That's my $.02

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I find that a truly athletic woman calls to me. There is a certain aggressiveness with a woman that is really into being physically fit, regardless of the size of her muscles. I get tired of seeing the ladies in the gym talk about wanting to be fit, but only doing cardio, or working, and I quote, their "lady muscles". This typically consists of a bicep exercise, the adductor/abductor work, and maybe, just maybe, some shoulder work. While cute and all, these type of ladies usually do nothing for me, as they scream "prey" in my head. Maybe I'm just wired differently. End rant.

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I compete in figure because I refuse to use drugs to attain the body I want. In this figure competition, I got counted off for being too straited. To me, this was a great compliment.

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In this figure competition, I won my show. The only thing I did different was add in a little fat the week of the competition.

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I have competed with single digit body fat and not look like bones. I have muscle, but not enough mass to do a bodybuilding competition. That is why I compete in figure. I have toyed with the idea of doing a bodybuilding show because I love to choregraph dance with the music and I love posing but I know that in doing a NPC bodybuilding show, I'd be out of my league and am not willing to use the enhancements that I feel would be required.

I do not feel bad when I do a show. I have plenty of energy. My problem is that I don't make alot of money and it requires more money to eat well and I HATE cooking. More money for the tanning, airbrushing, 2 suits (which I personally think is stupid. Why not just use a 2 piece and be done with it? It would be cheaper for the competitors and make the competitions go faster), shoes, posing coaching, etc.

I had a trainer for my first show and my Mom asked "Do you really think this is healthy?" to which my trainer said, "Since when is training for anything at a professional level, healthy?" I like seeing the transformation my body can go through and the experiments of what got you there.

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Star, doing a natural BB show is out of the question because...?

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gojira wrote:
Just for a minute, imagine if there was a male version of this type of competition. All the 135 pounders with abs would be dieting down to "get ripped" so that they could step on stage and win the Abercrombie Open. How would you guys react to that?


Laugh and shake my head. Although with the success of those silly twilight books and vampire shows, seems like this could be commercially viable...

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