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Jro555
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Hey all - the recent news in the AP about New Zealand vegans who won't have sex with other non-vegans started a bit of a debate between myself and some friends. She's insisting that a vegan diet can still work for someone highly competitive in body building or sports...and I strongly disagree! does anyone know of any vegan body builders or athletes?? Thanks!

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Olesya Novik
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While I do agree with the fact that it's VERY difficult building mass on a vegan diet, there most definitely ARE vegetarian bodybuilders.

None are enormous by any means...but many do look great!

Surprising, I know...;o)

Above is a photo of Robbie Hazeley, one of the better known vegetarian bodybuilders.

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Olesya Novik
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Bill Pearl--one of the most amazing physiques in the bodybuilding world, in my opinion.

VEGETARIAN BODYBUILDER! =-O

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kant
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Yes, it's viable. The estimated USA prevalence of vegans is less than 1%, it's probably even lower in the bodybuilding/fitness community but that will change with time.

There is a growing awareness of the environmental impact of using animals for food as well as an increasing sensitivity to the fact that these animals being raised for food are sentient individuals with personalities who in general lead horribly painful lives, and many of us do not wish to contribute to that, or minimize our contribution.

There is little difference between the pig that suffers in the stall awaiting for slaughter and the treasured pet dog who gets a birthday party from his loving owner.

Here is something to chew on:

Mark D Haub, Amanda M Wells, Mark A Tarnopolsky, and Wayne W Campbell
Effect of protein source on resistive-training-induced changes in body composition and muscle size in older men
Am. J. Clinical Nutrition, Sep 2002; 76: 511 - 517.
http://www.ajcn.org/...t/full/76/3/511

"The main finding of this study was that resistive-training-induced muscle hypertrophy did not differ significantly between older men who consumed a diet with beef as the predominant source of protein and similar subjects who consumed an LOV diet with soy as the predominant source of protein. "

I have a juicer and make 2 1/2 c green juice daily (about 20 g protein) from collards, bok choi, zucchini, and spinach.

I also use 30 g soy and 100 g rice protein.

I also have a cup of cooked beans daily, an entire head of romaine. a tomato, an onion, a few walnuts, 30 g of ground flax, 10 g each of sunflower and pumpking seeds, a few brazil nuts, and a few pieces of fruit.

This provides 100% or more of the RDA for everything, has a perfect O3:O6 ratio, and contains a wide variety of protective phytochemicals. A lot of the food is uncooked so there will be minimal exposure to glycotoxins that have shown to be prematurely aging in rats.

I try to cover the entire rainbow daily. I end up with around 140 g protein, of which about 20% is not usable due to the high fiber content of my diet and another 20% or so due to the inherent lower usability as defined by amino acid score (Food Board recs). So that is why I bump my intake up twice: to compensate for those two problems.

Another thing that might help with gains: saturated fat (raw coconut meat) to increase HDL and the body's wn cholesterol production.

The pantry at http://www.nutritiondata.com allows for tracking of individual amino acids, provides "scores" and suggests other food items to bring up the protein value. It's better than Fit Day if this sort of thing concerns you.

I am not willing to work outside these parameters. I am confident that I can meet my goals within them (10 lbs of muscle in the next year).

Vegetarianism in comparison is a piece of cake, with whey, casein, and egg. And I bought a bag of whey recently, hoping that I could get it to go down. But no. Lets just say the dogs will be lucky for the next two months!

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Airtruth
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We do know that Vegan and Vegatarian are two different things right?

Vegatarians can still take supplements, 98% of protein supplements vegans can't use, and the other 2% I'm just leaving out there in case theres something I never heard of.

I can not see a person who has been vegan their whole life being successful at too many sports. (maybe table tennis, and gymnastics)

Also, its very hard to tell whether somebody built their body by being vegan since many decide to be vegan at an older age.

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Zap Branigan
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Airtruth wrote:
We do know that Vegan and Vegatarian are two different things right?

Vegatarians can still take supplements, 98% of protein supplements vegans can't use, and the other 2% I'm just leaving out there in case theres something I never heard of.

I can not see a person who has been vegan their whole life being successful at too many sports. (maybe table tennis, and gymnastics)

Also, its very hard to tell whether somebody built their body by being vegan since many decide to be vegan at an older age.


Good post.

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CrewPierce
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I can see how you could be a vegetarian BB but a vegan? I mean at least the vegetarian can have whey, the vegan however cannot. I can't see very many strict vegans coming about in BB. I personally find the ideas of vegans very, very strange.

My roommate in college went from vegetarian to vegan and he went down to 120 or less at 6'4''. This kid wouldn't even use A/C in our dorm b/c it polluted the air ( and we lived in SC!!!) but he eventually gave up being a vegan b/c there isn't anything but veggies you can eat. Plus we all know how bad soy is.

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michael2507
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Airtruth wrote:
Also, its very hard to tell whether somebody built their body by being vegan since many decide to be vegan at an older age.


Well said.

Bill Pearl who was mentioned above became a vegetarian at the age of 39, IIRC. His diet is lacto-ovo vegetarian, meaning he eats eggs and dairy products.

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michael2507
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While I respect living as a vegan/vegetarian as a personal decision - I didn't comsume meat albeit fish, eggs and dairy for two or three years in the past myself - never forget that there are two sides to any argument... ;)

http://www.westonaprice.org/...etarianism.html

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itsthenickman
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kant wrote:

There is a growing awareness of the environmental impact of using animals for food as well as an increasing sensitivity to the fact that these animals being raised for food are sentient individuals with personalities who in general lead horribly painful lives, and many of us do not wish to contribute to that, or minimize our contribution.


I wonder how many meat eaters there would be if we all had to personally slaughter our food.


There is little difference between the pig that suffers in the stall awaiting for slaughter and the treasured pet dog who gets a birthday party from his loving owner.


I still have yet to find a ranking system that these dog lovers use to evaluate the value of a species.

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Brant_Drake
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itsthenickman wrote:
I wonder how many meat eaters there would be if we all had to personally slaughter our food.


Ever been hunting? It tastes hella good if you kill it. And dog is pretty tasty (visited South Korea a while ago.)

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beebuddy
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itsthenickman wrote:
I wonder how many meat eaters there would be if we all had to personally slaughter our food.


I would eat 3x more meat if I got to kill it. Going to the supermarket just doesn't satisfy the urge to snuff out life, ya know?

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thomas.galvin
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Airtruth wrote:
I can not see a person who has been vegan their whole life being successful at too many sports. (maybe table tennis, and gymnastics)


I can't see someone who is a vegan their entire life living past three. And I'm a vegetarian.

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Airtruth
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itsthenickman wrote:
I wonder how many meat eaters there would be if we all had to personally slaughter our food.

I'm sure alot more people would eat meat. People would not be so sensative to the death of a lower species on the food chain.

thomas.galvin wrote:
I can't see someone who is a vegan their entire life living past three. And I'm a vegetarian


Thats funny you said that. A few months ago there was a msn article about a baby that died from being a vegan. I don't know if thats true or if the baby was just not fed but it was interesting.

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CrewPierce
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thomas.galvin wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
I can not see a person who has been vegan their whole life being successful at too many sports. (maybe table tennis, and gymnastics)

I can't see someone who is a vegan their entire life living past three. And I'm a vegetarian.


haha nice

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ninearms
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CrewPierce wrote:
I can see how you could be a vegetarian BB but a vegan? I mean at least the vegetarian can have whey, the vegan however cannot. I can't see very many strict vegans coming about in BB. I personally find the ideas of vegans very, very strange.


If we're talking about people who are vegan for ethical reasons, then the ideas behind it are no different from those of vegetarians. Vegans are just more consistent.

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ninearms
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thomas.galvin wrote:
I can't see someone who is a vegan their entire life living past three. And I'm a vegetarian.


You're also an idiot.

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ninearms
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Airtruth wrote:
A few months ago there was a msn article about a baby that died from being a vegan. I don't know if thats true or if the baby was just not fed but it was interesting.


The baby died because it's parents were fucking idiots who didn't feed it.

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entheogens
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Carl Lewis, perhaps the greatest American Olympian of all time in Track and Field, is a vegan.

Let me say, that I am a bona-fide meat-eater, but if anybody thinks vegans can't be champion athletes, then just mentiond Carl Lewis. That should take some wind out of their sail!

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beebuddy
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entheogens wrote:
Carl Lewis, perhaps the greatest American Olympian of all time in Track and Field, is a vegan.

Let me say, that I am a bona-fide meat-eater, but if anybody thinks vegans can't be champion athletes, then just mentiond Carl Lewis. That should take some wind out of their sail!


I, for one, farted when I read this!

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SkyzykS
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entheogens wrote:
Carl Lewis, perhaps the greatest American Olympian of all time in Track and Field, is a vegan.

Let me say, that I am a bona-fide meat-eater, but if anybody thinks vegans can't be champion athletes, then just mentiond Carl Lewis. That should take some wind out of their sail!


Was he vegan when he was winning the events?

I've seen some very strong athletes on these boards who are vegetarian, so I do think it's possible to perform at a high level without meat as a protien source, but as was pointed out with one previous example, dietary practices can change.

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Mufasa
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Isn't there a LOT of mixing of terminology in this thread?

"Vegetarian" covers a VERY wide range of "acceptable" foods, INCLUDING some that actually eat forms of meat.

"Vegans" on the other hand do not eat anything of animal origin (example eggs, milk, etc, and of course, not the flesh).

There are even more "strict" Vegans? who will not even eat a fruit or vegetable unless it has fallen off the tree or bush.

(I'm not really sure how they pull this off and survive, but that's the claim!)


Mufasa

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ninearms
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"Vegetarian" covers anything that isn't a dead animal. People who claim the label and then eat fish/chicken/horses etc are as bad as people who say "I'm not a homophobe, I just don't like faggots."

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entheogens
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SkyzykS wrote:
entheogens wrote:
Carl Lewis, perhaps the greatest American Olympian of all time in Track and Field, is a vegan.

Let me say, that I am a bona-fide meat-eater, but if anybody thinks vegans can't be champion athletes, then just mentiond Carl Lewis. That should take some wind out of their sail!

Was he vegan when he was winning the events?


Yes. He met Dr. McDougall at one point during his career and thereafter was a vegan. Google "vegan Carl Lewis" for more on this. I read it a few months back.

And when I say "vegan" I mean vegan (no animal products, including eggs and dairy), NOT vegetarian.

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Hagar
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entheogens wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
entheogens wrote:
Carl Lewis, perhaps the greatest American Olympian of all time in Track and Field, is a vegan.

Let me say, that I am a bona-fide meat-eater, but if anybody thinks vegans can't be champion athletes, then just mentiond Carl Lewis. That should take some wind out of their sail!

Was he vegan when he was winning the events?


Yes. He met Dr. McDougall at one point during his career and thereafter was a vegan. Google "vegan Carl Lewis" for more on this. I read it a few months back.

And when I say "vegan" I mean vegan (no animal products, including eggs and dairy), NOT vegetarian.



Wow no way. I take it he was he vegan when he competed in the Olympics. I'm looking it up now.

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