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kimosabi
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Any women out there have any comments regarding tribulus terrestris supplements? I tried using the powder version once, but stopped taking it after about 4 days. It tasted horrible, and on day 4 I began to feel a bit odd. Spaced-out, and uncomfortable. I associated it with the tribulus, so I quit taking it. Within a day or two, I was sick with the flu. So, in hindsight, it was probably the flu that made me feel that way.

Still, I would love to hear from women who have tried tribulus. Has anyone noticed any side effects? Most of the studies have been on men, it seems, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Helga
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The purpose of tribulus is to stimulate your testicles to produce more testosterone. Based on that I dont think that you will find many women that have tried it.

I have no idea what an increase of LH would do, if anything, in a woman.

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Mike T.
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Have you reasearched Tribulus any? its basically a testosterone enhancer, and if wemon take it im thinking maybe it would give them manlike qualities or something along the line of that. Search it a little more, like Testosterone and estrogen and read about it. Hope i helped.

Mike

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Helga
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I have just been doing a little bit of research (the only info I could find quickly was from supplement companies) and it looks like Tribulus in women may increase estradiol and Test levels (but not enough to turn you into a man). It is supposed to increase libido in women and men.

It could be useful in women, but I think that you should probably do some more research and make sure that it is going to give you the benefits that you want.

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kimosabi
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Thanks for the input, I'm still looking into it. I find lots of information regarding the benefits for men, but little mention about the effect it has on women.

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cadav
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the use of tribulus increase the FSH level.

more FSH means in woman more sex drive, more ovulation

That herb is usefull in woman infertility and to reduce menopausa related problems..

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Dedicated
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cadav wrote:
the use of tribulus increase the FSH level.

more FSH means in woman more sex drive, more ovulation

That herb is usefull in woman infertility and to reduce menopausa related problems..


This is true. Contrary to popular belief Tribulas won't cause steroid like effects in women.

It's the action of stimulating luteinizing hormone from the pituitary gland which in men causes elevated LH levels which in turn signals the testes to ramp up test production.

In women, I like cadav have read it can increase sex drive and energy levels. The following from the dictionary:

A hormone produced by the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland that stimulates ovulation and the development of the corpus luteum in the female and the production of testosterone by the interstitial cells of the testis in the male.

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kimosabi
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Hmm, ok. I had read some things online which confused me, but this thread has eliminated the confusion. I had read conflicting things about tribulus... while it was being touted as a menopause supplement, I also read it would increase testesterone in women. I suppose this is just a classic case of "you can't believe everything you read online." Thanks, everyone. ^_^

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oriensus
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cadav wrote:
the use of tribulus increase the FSH level.

more FSH means in woman more sex drive, more ovulation


Mmmm....I'm going to get some TRIBEX, crush it into powder then sprinkle it in some girl's drink and hope I'll get lucky.

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cadav
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oriensus wrote:

Mmmm....I'm going to get some TRIBEX, crush it into powder then sprinkle it in some girl's drink and hope I'll get lucky.


LOL... may be an intresting experiment take us updated ;)

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Max
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Any idea of the dosage for women?

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cadav
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for woman it's a bit harder to find reliable information.
however looking around the net i have read that the average reccomended dosage is around 200mg/day every 40lb of body weight

it is better to split dosage along the day and stop the supplementation every 3 months for a couple of weeks.

however, as a man, i have tried tribulus and found that the right dosage is higher than the reccomended. So i think that the better is to try it starting at 200mg every 40lbs ED and increasing the dosage as needed.

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Lockwood
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kimosabi wrote:
Any women out there have any comments regarding tribulus terrestris supplements? I tried using the powder version once, but stopped taking it after about 4 days. It tasted horrible, and on day 4 I began to feel a bit odd. Spaced-out, and uncomfortable. I associated it with the tribulus, so I quit taking it. Within a day or two, I was sick with the flu. So, in hindsight, it was probably the flu that made me feel that way.

Still, I would love to hear from women who have tried tribulus. Has anyone noticed any side effects? Most of the studies have been on men, it seems, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


Attached is an unedited excerpt from a textbook chapter I recently wrote.

Personally, I highly recommend Tribulus; especially TRIBEX b/c of the raw material source. However, in the attached text, b/c it is to be used for an undergraduate textbook, I couldn't strongly recommend the use of Tribulus b/c there simply isn't the available peer-reviewed data to substantiate.

For females, however, I do think that the hypoglycaemic effect of Tribulus, when consumed on an empty stomach, is definitely of value. Assuming you aren't pregnant, attempting to get pregnant, or breastfeeding, I really don't see the harm in a female consuming Tribulus.

Hope this helps:
[btw, I apologize for any errors in formatting due to the attached being cut and pasted from a .word document]

COMMON NAME: Tribulus

OTHER NAMES: Tribulus terrestris; Gokshura; Ji li (fruit); Yingjili; Puncturevine caltrop; Small caltrops; Caltrop; Goathead; Land Caltrops; Trikanta; Al-Gutub; Devil?s-weed; Devil?s-thorn; Cat?s-head; Tribestan?

COMMON USES: Increase Testosterone
Increase Strength
Increase Protein Synthesis
Treat Erectile Dysfunction
Increase Energy

REVIEW: Tribulus is a native ground cover to many parts of the world and probably best recognized as an annoying nuisance to mountain bikers in the Western United States for its ability to puncture tires as Tribulus? flowering fruits dry-out, beginning in late-Spring. Thus, deserving of its common name, puncturevine or Devil?s thorn. Bodybuilders, however, have long used Tribulus to increase endogenous testosterone, strength and muscularity, but thus far the clinical data in humans is conflicting. Much of the lay data in circulation has been provided by the manufacturer of a Bulgarian-derived, high protodioscin-containing Tribulus product, called Tribestan?. The manufacturer, Sopharma AD, references a wide array of published animal data, but only in-house beta-tests to support the use of Tribestan? in humans and therefore the data should be viewed as suspect until peer-reviewed. Antonio et al conducted the only available human performance-based study, to date; randomly providing Tribulus to 15 resistance-trained males that consumed a daily dose equal to 3.21mg/kg b.w., for eight weeks, of either Tribulus or placebo. Tribulus was found to offer no performance-enhancing or physique-altering benefit compared to placebo. It can?t, however, be ruled out that the dose used in the aforementioned trial was too low to elicit an ergogenic response, and/or that the Tribulus material used was simply of poor quality. For example, Gauthaman et al showed a statistically significant and dose-specific response in rats receiving oral daily doses of 5mg/kg/d b.w. and 10mg/kg/d b.w., but not 2.5mg/kg/d b.w. active protodioscin (from Tribulus terrestris extract), for eight weeks ? bodyweight increased by 23%, 18% and 9%, respectively. Deng et al discovered a similar dose-specific response to Tribulus, noting that higher doses promoted the proliferation of human melanocytes whereas a smaller dose inhibited the growth. Gauthaman et al also reported that a 5mg/kg/d b.w. oral daily dose of active protodioscin (from Tribulus terrestris extract), for eight weeks, significantly raised androgen receptor (AD) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-diaphorase (NADPH-d) immunoreactivity, in mice, by 58% and 67%, respectively. Both AD and NADPH-d are known to increase in response to androgens. , , Further clarifying the dose-specific response, Gauthaman et al noted that only the 5mg/kg/d b.w. and 10mg/kg/d b.w. active protodioscin (from Tribulus terrestris extract) doses significantly increased intracavernous pressure (43% and 26%, respectively) and mounting frequency (27% and 24%), and only the 5mg/kg/d b.w. dose significantly reduced the time between sexual events (20%) in rats receiving oral, daily doses of Tribulus. The 2.5mg/kg/d b.w. was determined to be no more effective than the control. Thus, there appears to be both a minimally- and maximally-effective dose. Although Tribulus? mechanism of action is of debate ? the Tribestan manufacturer claims that Tribulus increases LH in men, and FSH in women ?the available, published data shows that Tribulus possesses a hypoglycemic effect, possibly attributable to a direct insulin secretory effect on pancreatic beta-cells or reduction in hepatic enzyme action. Tribulus has also been shown to increase smooth muscle contractions, possibly via COX-2 and/or ACE inhibition. , , , , , , , , Thus, Tribulus may support testosterone release via indirect actions arising from insulin-dependent pathways, or Tribulus may be of benefit as an anti-inflammatory if its COX-2-inhibiting functions are found to be accurate. Irrespective, quality assurance of the primary active, protodioscin, will most likely affect a user?s response to Tribulus. Ganzera et al, found a significant variance in protodioscin content of Tribulus products purchased from retail shelves or otherwise obtained directly from Tribulus raw material suppliers ? protodioscin content varied by 0.024%-6.492%, per 100g of Tribulus, depending upon the sample tested. Tribulus raw material derived from Bulgaria generally contained the highest concentration of active steroidal saponins, whereas materials from India and China the lowest (0.024% and 0.063%, respectively). Of the products purchased from store shelves, the Bulgarian-containing Tribulus was highest in protodioscin (6.492%) whereas the two other samples contained concentrations of just 0.176% and 0.847% active saponins. Although it could be argued that the steroidal saponin, protodioscin, is not the only active extract of Tribulus terrestris ? harmane, norharmane, tribulosin and D-pinitol have also been identified, just to name a few ? such findings do, however, provide further evidence of an industry-wide standardization problem whereby products are commonly being marketing, using claims that are not compatible with the raw materials that are substantiated within the literature. It should also be noted that protodioscin is commonly found in several plant species and that protodioscin-alone has not been found to be as effective as when provided in equivalent doses as occurring naturally when consumed as Tribulus terrestris.

DOSE: General Use: 5mg/kg/d b.w.-10mg/kg/d b.w. active Protodioscin (from Tribulus terrestris L above ground parts); consume in divided doses, with meals, or as a single dose immediately prior to exercise

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lonewolf1952
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After a total hysterectomy, overies and all my wife's sex drive went out the door, lost muscle tone and add 50 quick pounds, she was a mess, thyroid went out about the same time she was depressed, and turned into a real bitch, thank to T-Nation and the information I gathered here and other sites she is on her way to being what she was. first we got her thyroid under control, then I started her on a Test boster, sex drive came back weight began to come off and shes never depressed, and muscle growth came back. I discovered that the lack of Test in her system caused muitible problems.
She used Vitrix for over a year and had good results and recently got her to try TRIBEX. She seems to like it better and by the way she is not turning into a man, no hair growth, deep voice changes, and she lifts 3 times aweek, no real bulk up effects. Great tone though, shes droppped 25 pounds, ab fat is hard to get off.
Don;t know if it helps any one out there but she sure likes it.

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rrjc5488
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Max wrote:
Any idea of the dosage for women?


For date rape, like previously stated- ALOT. ;)

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Max
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Well after some research my wife has been using TRIBEX for a couple of weeks now and the only side effect that she's noticed is an increased sex drive, and I'm not complaining :)

She's only been taking 1 per day, 5 days on, 2 off. I've seen various dosages for women and I don't know about increasing it at this point.

She's been trying to get pregnant with no luck for a while now so we'll see how the whole ovulation thing plays out.

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Max
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There's a lot of ignorant jackasses on here, sad.

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AJL-1240
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Max wrote:
There's a lot of ignorant jackasses on here, sad.


How so?

If you have any knowledge, please share.

Most were either giving out what they've read elsewhere, and suggested more research on it.

Others were just joking.

Coming on with that post, and nothing to back it up does nothing to help clear up any of the ignorance you may have seen.

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benjani
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he means the guy who made the witty comment about date rape . swr , you are a numpty . so are you rrjc5488 and your back looks proper crappy but its ok i absolve you both of your sins . peace . RASTAFARHIA !!!!!

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