Your LH is lowish now and that can affect the physical structure of the testes. hCG will get them to a state of what they would be doing with a normal level of LH. Then when the SERM replaces hCG with LH and you taper off of the SERM, you are giving the system a start with the both ends in a running state. The mid point labs are a steering point.
Ok, I ran the HCG for 3 weeks now and I feel like my testes are fine at this point. I have some Nolva and I have a few questions before I start. What useful information would I get out of blood results at this point after using the HCG and not the Nolva? After using HCG alone, should my T be in the normal range if my lowT is secondary? or if it is primary would my T still be low while replacing LH with the HCG?
I really wanna start this Nolva and start to feeling better right away, just not sure if a blood test at this point is really gonna be useful and what would be expected after doing the HCG portion of the restart attempt..
What would be the best Nolva restart dose.
I've read 40Mg day for two weeks then 20mg for two weeks.. Is that right?
With the hCG, how do you feel, what did you notice. If hCG has provided good T levels, then the testes are working fine and you had secondary hypogonadism. If otherwise you are primary. Many have a combination.
You can switch to Nolvadex, then LH/FSH should be up. T production depends on hCG response, activating the same receptors. Test for LH/FSH. If not up, you are not going to restart to a healthy level. Otherwise, the top and bottom ends of your HPTA are working.
After a few weeks, taper off of the Nolvadex slowly.
You landed here started on TRT, so we did not ask for diagnostic info. Please provide info from the "Advice for New Guys" sticky. And do not skip the iodine, temperature thyroid issues!
Post complete labs. We also need cholesterol results.
Uhm, yeah. Arimidex KILLS sex drive... Even if E2 is put into better balance.
I've read some articles about its ability to disrupt cortisol to some extent as well. Gotta remember that it was originally developed as a chemotherapy drug, and is heavy stuff. Its likely that it has other enzyme-interferring properties beyond that of aromatase..
Yes, I have great news.. After running the HCG and Nolvadex My T has returned to normal numbers. I think maybe stress had caused my T to drop in the first place, because I had gone through a couple years of horrible failed marriage to a crazy woman. What some have referred to as a lazy HPTA system is probably what I had experienced.
My LH was on the low side and not calling for the higher T numbers, so I guess I wasn't primary hypogonadal. There is hope for some guys to use this restart regiment to jumpstart their natural production and I would recommend any guy to try this before going on TRT for the rest of their life. My blood test was about 2 weeks after finishing the nolvadex cycle and the numbers are below.
Hopefully my system will maintain these numbers and not dwindle back down over time.
Is there any longterm natural supplements or meds that will keep LH numbers higher if your HPTA system is lazy? Thyroid meds, etc?
Thanks for all your contributions to this site. Does it matter that I was on HCG before I quit the T injections? When I quit the T a month ago, I crashed for about a week then I started feeling better. Im kinda thinking Im back to normal production at this point since my LH and FSH are in the midrange. Thats why Im wondering if my testes are just weak and wont get any better.
Shouldn't my Testes be functioning as normal as they can since I was on HCG during TRT and they didn't shrink? I have a script for HCG and can take that now, but is Nolvadex something I need a script for?
My biggest concern is going back on T for a lifetime if there is any chance my test will get higher naturally. I do have low-T sysmptoms, mainly lack of energy and brain fog, which sucks.
Hey man, 51, been on TRT for 3 plus years. As was mentioned when you were on, using ADEX at .5 EOD would literally kill my libido and sex drive. If you go back on, leave the Adex out or cut it down to like .25 E5D or .125 E3d. It is a bit of trail and error. I only use it now if I add other compounds, like Prop or dbol. Good luck to you.
Im 25 years old and went on TRT about 8 months ago and started with 250mg/ml weekly and eventually bumped it up to 375 during the last 3 months. My t levels were in normal range but just wanted to get them higher and see what benefits it would have. I noticed my libido had lowered after 3 or 4 months and eventually it was really hard for me to get an erection. I was given anastrozole but never took it since I feared it might cause ED. I eventually decided to get off of TRT and about a week after I noticed my erections had gone back to normal. After reading some threads I noticed some people having luck with this certain issue by implementing HCG. Is this a common "cure" for this or is there anything else that can be done? is this a common problem for people on TRT?
I definitely would like to get back on so any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
Start a new thread and post your info on it. You don't want to hijack someone else's log. Read through the "stickies" at the top of the page (advice for new guys, blood testing) and fill out your log accordingly. There are many questions that you need to answer before anyone can give you advice.
Why are you on TRT? Why is the dose so high? Why did you not take the anastrozole? 375mg/week is borderline T cycle. Common cure for...erections? hCG keeps the testes functioning when on TRT because your HPTA is suppressed while on TRT and you will get testicular atrophy. Those are just a couple of questions that need to be answered.
My ED has been cured at least in the short term by supping Iodine,DHEA, and Pregnenolone. Its been just about 2weeks so the jury is still out but I was bad off with libido and erections leaving a lot to be desired. Taking those supplements has turned me around almost overnight. I could tell a difference after the first day.
Im going for bw in about 3 weeks and maybe my T is going to be higher. I'd never had my Thyroid, T3, Cortisol, checked so I'm kinda blindly supping things that hopefully will boost all my hormones.
Since my T is low but my LH is normal, is like there is a missing link somewhere in there. LowT should raise my LH. I'll be interested to see if adrenal fatigue or iodine deficiency may be the cause of the Low T.
New Labs are in.. My T is still low and everything else is in range.
all labcorp and I'll post the ranges when I get copies of the paperwork
TT= 227 (348-1197) low
FT=9.6 (8.7-25.1) borderline low
E2=7.1 (7.6-42.6) low
FT3=? (I asked for this test but they didn't do it)
Cortisol=54 (0-50) high
I'm very disappointed my iodine reload, Pregnenolone and DHEA supplementation didn't affect my T numbers at all. It would seem like my testicles are just not able to perform well anymore. I have done all the testing and home remedies I can do, so going back on the TRT probably forever. I had hoped I could find the cause and treat it.
On the bright side I have felt better, and fixed the ED with the Preg, DHEA and Iodine replacement
I have restarted TRT, I guess for life. I have been back on T-Cyp at 100MG week for a month or so and I was hoping for a sex drive boost but nothing yet. I do feel better and my muscles are harder, more energy, but my erections are not so great though and morning wood is non-existant, and last few days my left testicle is killing me. I started HCG hoping it will help with the pain.
I have one question.. Being 38 and of normal overall health and having sex regularly(I do almost daily) should I still expect nighttime or morning wood?
Update after a year. I did a lot of experimenting with AI's doses to fix ED issues. My TT levels have remained constant all year around 800 in each blood test. What I found out was that I do not need an AI at all, and if I take an AI, I am an over-responder.
Without monthly blood tests it took a while to figure out what was going on. Over the past year I've only taken maybe 3. I'd have a few good "hard" days then a bad "semi" day. I would take more or less AI a few weeks at a time, adjusting dosage. I can say with certainty that AI is not needed for everybody on TRT. My erection difficulties after going back on TRT were most definitely because I didn't need an AI at all. For now I only take about 3 drops if I have a bad day, and that is only maybe once a month. For the most part I have nocternal erections, morning wood, daily sex and everything is working well. My TRT is
50mg T-cyp x2 wk, so 100mg week
.35ui HCG twice a week.
Jan 2015 test
One interesting thing I have noticed... a fluctuation in E2 level seems to get me good wood.. If I have a couple weaker days in a row, I will take a few drops of AI and I'll be good to go for week or more. Even though my E2 never gets above the low 20's, with no AI, sometimes that fluctuation down to 15ish then rising back to the low 20's gives me a good punch.
I just wanted to share this for people who may view this thread.
Suggests lingering effects from stress. see the thyroid basics sticky.
Your body temperatures could be low.
What was your iodine replenishment and what maintenance intake?
High cortisol not good. Are you sleeping OK?
- can be stress related
KS, Those test were a while ago now. I have been wondering if I have adrenal issues. I did have low body temps, and I did the iodide for about 30 days and it went back to normal. It is still pretty much normal after a year or so. Occasionally I take a 50mg pill, maybe once a month.
I need another cortisol test to see if its still high.
I think I had sleep apnea because of my sinuses closing up at night. I've had two nose surguries, but still can't breath well. I sleep with a CPAP machine for the last few weeks and my afternoon drowsiness has vastly improved. I never had a sleep test. I actually found a CPAP from a family member that quit using it so figured I would give it a try. I roll back and forth a lot at night, even with the CPAP.. That damn thing with that hose kinda wakes you up when you roll over..