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So you need to improve your cortisol levels. You do not want to become dependant on cortisol meds for life. So you need to try to get the problem fixed/healed. Progesterone would help. Wilson's book is a must read. Sometimes cortef is used as a bridge. I still would like to see a trial so you can see if higher levels make you feel right. If you feel better, at least you will know where the answer lies.

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I saw that doctor today. Very impressed with her. She was concerned about everything I wanted her to be concerned about. T levels, tsh, e2, cholesterol, cortisol. Liked the progesterone idea.

She wants to treat the adrenals and fix my circadian rhythm. Then start working on improving digestion. Really thinks there is something up with my digestion. Could explain the cholesterol issue. Might want a poop test and some kind of liver cleanse. Any kind of cleanse sounds like horse shit to me but hey, I'll try anything once.

So to start, she gave me isocort and melatonin drops. In a few weeks she wants me to start taking one of Dr. Wilsons supps.

Then I'm going to cut out wheat a gluten (which I already pretty much have done) and start taking these digestion supps. They seem like quality stuff.

I hope it helps.

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So you need to improve your cortisol levels. You do not want to become dependant on cortisol meds for life. So you need to try to get the problem fixed/healed. Progesterone would help. Wilson's book is a must read. Sometimes cortef is used as a bridge. I still would like to see a trial so you can see if higher levels make you feel right. If you feel better, at least you will know where the answer lies.


Thank you. I will try progesterone cream since it's easy to buy. Brought up the cortef idea to the doc and she wants to wait to see how the isocort and melatonin make me feel. I think isocort is cortisol actually.


Edit -

Being stressed out during pregnancy can fuck up your baby. Who knew.

My mother was VERY stressed when she was pregnant.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10560772

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KSMan,

Like a week ago I couldn't stay hard during sex. Ever since that night my penis doesn't feel right. It's like limp all the time. Unresponsive. Havent had a good erection since. Feels like I have no control over it when I try to flex it. Like the surrounding muscles flex but not the penis.

Could it have been the licorice I was taking? I was taking 3 900mg pills a day. And drinking the tea. I stopped after that night.

If so, how long will this last? This is really scary. I can't even have sex with my gf. I never had morning wood but when I needed to I got hard.

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I was also taking nettle root.

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Do not know about licorice. Nettle root might lower DHT a bit.

From Wikipedia:

In 2012 Iranian researchers of the Shahid Beheshti University of Medical Sciences in Tehran have found that liquorice - especially used in sweets, tea and herbal remedies - can lower levels of testosterone. Glycyrrhiza, the compound in liquorice root contains phytoestrogens and has been shown to affect the endocrine system. The findings backs up a previous Italian study about the hormonal effects of liquorice whose results could not be replicated in other studies by University of Texas and University of Michigan in the past. The Iranian scientists came to the conclusion that the regular consumption of liquorice can lower libido of men and in high doses may even increase the risks of sexual problems including impotence. However, the study also showed that the level of testosterone normalizes after abstinence of liquorice within a few days and the effects completely disappear. For women, the consumption of liquorice has an opposite effect on their sexual desire and can improve female libido.[6]

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FYI, licorice supposedly helps with adrenal fatigue issues per Wilson's book.

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KSman wrote:
Do not know about licorice. Nettle root might lower DHT a bit.

From Wikipedia:

In 2012 Iranian researchers of the Shahid Beheshti University of Medical Sciences in Tehran have found that liquorice - especially used in sweets, tea and herbal remedies - can lower levels of testosterone. Glycyrrhiza, the compound in liquorice root contains phytoestrogens and has been shown to affect the endocrine system. The findings backs up a previous Italian study about the hormonal effects of liquorice whose results could not be replicated in other studies by University of Texas and University of Michigan in the past. The Iranian scientists came to the conclusion that the regular consumption of liquorice can lower libido of men and in high doses may even increase the risks of sexual problems including impotence. However, the study also showed that the level of testosterone normalizes after abstinence of liquorice within a few days and the effects completely disappear. For women, the consumption of liquorice has an opposite effect on their sexual desire and can improve female libido.[6]



It's been a week. I think it's gotten a little better. But I sill terrible. This sucks. Anything I should do?

Also, the thermometer I was using came with these little plastic things that your supposed to put around thermometer and throw away after your check your temp. When I don't use it my temps are .3 degrees higher.

All of the temps posted here have been with the plastic thing on the thermometer. So I guess you could add .3 to all the temps I've posted. Which would make my body temps pretty good.

This morning it came up at 97.6 with the plastic. So it would be 97.9 without it.

Which one is accurate? With the plastic or without? .3 degrees makes a big difference.

After workout temp 99.1 without plastic thing.

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HouKN98 wrote:
FYI, licorice supposedly helps with adrenal fatigue issues per Wilson's book.


I wouldn't recommend it for reasons above.

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The plastic sleeves are to provide protection when different people use the thermometer. If only you are using it, no need. I throw those out. The error from the sleeves might not mater much when dealing with a fever; the errors appear to be significant for our thyroid work.

Get more readings.

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FUCK!!!!!!! Haven't been able to sleep all week. I'm fucking dead tired in the day and now I'm lying in bed wide awake. FUCK THIS.

CAN'T SLEEP FOR SHIT AND DICK IS STILL FUCKED UP.

FUCK!!!!!!!!! I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Nothing helps. No fucking progress in how many months. I swear things are worse now.

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So things have been pretty rough since my last post.

I was experiencing ED. This was new. First time in my life. Started taking test boosting herbs and cabergoline. Erections came back in a few days. That only lasted a week. ED is here again. Im guessing my T levels had dropped, then went up after taking the herbs and have fallen again. or Im about to have a massive heart attaack.

My depression has been pretty rough. I haven't felt this bad since I was a kid. Reminds me how sad I was as a kid. which leads me to believe that what ever is wrong with me has been wrong for a while. The ED is also very depressing. Also, thinking about all the things in my bloodwork that don't make sense and how difficult it is to pin point what could be making me feel so bad is really depressing. I don't understand why it has to be so difficult. Bums me out to.

I've lost my appetite. Cant seem to sleep deeply. Difficult to walk or get out of bed. People keep asking me if I'm okay. Say I look sad. I'm like a zombie. I don't have energy to research anymore.

I've ran out of money for doctors visits. Even if I had the money, I cant seem to find a good doctor.

I wish I felt normal.

Treating adrenal fatigue hasn't helped. I don't believe I have adrenal fatigue. Maybe adrenal problems but definitely not fatigue.


Ksman,

I don't know what to do. I've followed the instructions in Wilsons Book. It's been 4 months and I feel worse than ever. I've felt like this since I was a kid. I don't think its adrenal fatigue. Just doesn't make sense.

What else is there to do?

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Interesting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10386194

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Have I suggested these sleep aids?
- trazodone, start 50mg expect to need 75-100 later. Tabs are 150 and split to 50 or 75
- melatonin
- vitamin C at bed time is also helpful for me

Too many pages to review for complete picture and changes.

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KSman wrote:
Have I suggested these sleep aids?
- trazodone, start 50mg expect to need 75-100 later. Tabs are 150 and split to 50 or 75
- melatonin
- vitamin C at bed time is also helpful for me

Too many pages to review for complete picture and changes.


Sleep isn't a big deal. Only recently because of the depression.

That's not the issue. Everything else is.

Too many pages? Should I start a new thread?

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Just found an old set of labs.

Had gone to a doctor when I was 16 because I was feeling shitty. Depressed, tired, blah. First doctor I had seen in years. Told me everything was fine and I was in perfect health. I explained to her my brain fog and depression. Just wrote it off. Fucking idiot.

A lot of people were telling me I didn't look well. Looked sickly. Even though I weighed 185 pounds.

These labs were taken after losing 90 pounds.

Date: 05/01/09
Height 5'9
Weight 185

TSH: 2.58
Total Cholesterol: 103


I don't have ranges, but I don't think there needed.

Even back then something was up with my thyroid and cholesterol. I wish ft3 and ft4 had been tested.



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Temps today. Morning 97.7 evening 99.4

This is pretty consistent. Temps in the morning are always over 97.6 and hit 99.0 in the evening.

Ksman, how is it possible that TSH is elevated when all thyroid hormones are above mid range, temps are high, and rt3 is only slightly elevated.

If rt3 was causing symptoms. Wouldn't temps be lower?

The only explanation I've found issue possible infections in the body. Have not been tested for any.

Also, thoughts on old blood work I found? Post before this one.

I am thinking of trying to lower rt3 with research t3 only medication. Thoughts?

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TSH indicates that your thyroid needs to be pushed hard to make thyroid hormones. Yet, you are able to produce levels that appear good and temperatures seem decent too.

My concern for your cholesterol remains. This may also reduce your ability to cholesterol-->Vit-D3

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KSman wrote:
TSH indicates that your thyroid needs to be pushed hard to make thyroid hormones. Yet, you are able to produce levels that appear good and temperatures seem decent too.


So where does that leave my thyroid status.

Can you be considered hypothyroid with just elevated TSH?

Would an elevated TSH alone cause hypothyroid symptoms?

Would thyroid medication make me feel any different?

Most hypothyroid patients medicate to reach the level I'm already at. The only thing that would drop would be the TSH.

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My concern for your cholesterol remains. This may also reduce your ability to cholesterol-->Vit-D3


I have yet to see a single thread on this site where someone with low cholesterol successfully increased their cholesterol. I was eating 8 eggs, 10 oz salmon, a pound of red meat, and 5 tablespoons of butter ever day. My cholesterol was 130. I just found out it was 100 when I was 16.

Do you have any explanations, ideas, or recommendations to address the cholesterol problem? Because eating more cholesterol does not work.

This is all I've got....

http://en.wikipedia.org/...lipoproteinemia

I've also heard parasites and poor digestion can cause low cholesterol.

Do you recommend I get tested for parasites and do a poop test?

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Your body is working hard to overcome rT3 and/or iodine deficiency. Have you done iodine replenishment? In any case, you are been told that something is wrong. But doc's mostly would not think so; you need to be sicker so they have a disease state to play with. So there is a problem, you are not hypo in terms of some labs or temperatures. Yes, only TSH seems bad now, but that level of TSH may increase or otherwise change your thyroid tissue and take you to hypOthyroidism, Read my sticky.

yes, rT3 only can reduce rT3, as well as other measures, lifestyle etc.

Agree, your hypocholesteremia seems intractable. Still a worry. May explain some other things that may need fixing.

Parasites can cause adrenal fatigue and increased rT3. If you have had low cholesterol since you were 16, you would have to consider that you had parasites that long if that is an explanation. I do not know anything about parasites that would be useful. Some can be in the liver. Have no idea about how one goes about getting tested.

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KSman wrote:
Your body is working hard to overcome rT3 and/or iodine deficiency. Have you done iodine replenishment? In any case, you are been told that something is wrong. But doc's mostly would not think so; you need to be sicker so they have a disease state to play with. So there is a problem, you are not hypo in terms of some labs or temperatures. Yes, only TSH seems bad now, but that level of TSH may increase or otherwise change your thyroid tissue and take you to hypOthyroidism, Read my sticky.


I have done IR. Didn't do much for me.

rT3 is slightly elevated. I've seen much higher. I wonder if it could be causing such a dramatic effect. I'm going to try T3 treatment.

I don't know what fT3 was the day my TSH came up at 3.9. Possible it was much lower on that day.

KSman wrote:
yes, rT3 only can reduce rT3, as well as other measures, lifestyle etc.


Lifestyle changes would only lower my rT3 if lifestyle caused it be to elevated. I am someone who has felt depressed, cold, apathetic and tired since I was a child. This is not a lifestyle problem. This is problem that ruined my lifestyle.

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Agree, your hypocholesteremia seems intractable. Still a worry. May explain some other things that may need fixing.


I think low cholesterol is a symptom of something else. I think what ever is causing low cholesterol is making feel bad, and on top of that the low cholesterol itself is making my feel bad. Unless it is genetic, and that is the only thing causing my symptoms.

http://cholesterol.about.com/...ypobetalipo.htm

If not, then what the hell is lowering my cholesterol? Parasites, infection, digestion issues(I do get diarrhea very often. Always have)? Don't know. Testing all of those thing would cost a lot of money. I have at least another $500.00 in testing just to rule all of that out.

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Parasites can cause adrenal fatigue and increased rT3. If you have had low cholesterol since you were 16, you would have to consider that you had parasites that long if that is an explanation. I do not know anything about parasites that would be useful. Some can be in the liver. Have no idea about how one goes about getting tested.



I have felt "BAD" since I was 11-12. I have been bitten my HUNDREDS of mosquitoes and spiders.

A good portion of my life has been effected. I'm not even close to figuring out why.


Edit -

A lot of that is just me rambling and brainstorming. Do you have any ideas?

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How did you make out with the Lyme test?

I've just read your whole thread. Wow I'm sorry to hear all your going through..

Your not alone my friend. Edit lol

Igenex in calafornia is the best Lyme testing facility anywhere. The focus only on Lyme and co-infections of Lyme. I ordered my test kits this week through a naturopath.

Have you been tested?

Have you converted your ft3 and rt3 to the same units and don the math. Lyme will fuck you up and you will chase your tale trying to fix it on your own...

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iw84aces wrote:
How did you make out with the Lyme test?

I've just read your whole thread. Wow I'm sorry to hear all your goof through..

Your not my friend.

Igenex in calafornia is the best Lyme testing facility anywhere. The focus only on Lyme and co-infections of Lyme. I ordered my test kits this week through a naturopath.

Have you been tested?

Have you converted your ft3 and rt3 to the same units and don the math. Lyme will fuck you up and you will chase your tale trying to fix it on your own...


I never got tested. It's on the to do list. Along with a few other infectious diseases.

I sense a lot of bullshit in the world of adrenal fatigue, lyme disease, fybromialgia etc.... There is NO evidence in regards to ANY of this shit. Just half ass "medical looking people" seemingly pulling shit out of their ass.

There very much seems to be an attitude of saying anything is a symptom of adrenal fatigue lyme fybro. Then selling people supplements. Adrenal fatigue particularly seems like horseshit. Every supp company has an adrenal fatigue complex.

I am not your friend? I have followed your thread. Never posted as I did not have anything to contribute.

Checked it out. Not sure how to order Will try contacting. I just dont have the money for anything anymore.

You mean divide rT3 and fT3? Yes. rT3 is slightly elevated.

But the rT3 and fT3 were tested two months apart.

The ft3 was tested in February. TSH was 2.1 and fT3 3.6

TSH was retested in April along with rT3, but fT3 was not tested again. TSH came up to 3.9.

I assumed fT3 had not changed when I did the rT3 equation. But that is silly. I think the day my TSH was 3.9 my fT3 was probably low. But this is just a theory. I need to retest thyroid labs. But I dont have money.

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I am so sorry I wrote that wrong and did edit it. I think fybro is a bunch o shit.. I think adrenal fatigue maybe a bunch of shit but Lyme I don't think so bro.

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I am at a loss. We catch lots of low hanging fruit here that docs miss. As for the digestive issues, there is probiotics; which may be been discussed before.

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