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lbraga
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Precisely... Really don't want some other dude to father my future prodigy kid
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tattoo'd'popeye
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Go and get some of your swimmers put in the freezer, just in case.
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BUDs
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rds63799 wrote:
potential fertility issues are the thing that stops me from blasting and cruising
I agree with you rds, even though I've heard of guys getting their girls pregnant while on I just don't know.
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BUDs
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tattoo'd'popeye wrote:
Go and get some of your swimmers put in the freezer, just in case.
How much would this cost?
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tattoo'd'popeye
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I don't know, I just randomly leave it in chicks ice cube trays before I leave.
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rds63799
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BUDs wrote:
rds63799 wrote:
potential fertility issues are the thing that stops me from blasting and cruising
I agree with you rds, even though I've heard of guys getting their girls pregnant while on I just don't know.
I just don't think it's worth the risk. I'm 27, and I don't want kids for a few years yet, but it would be nice to have the option.
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lbraga
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Soooo 1 month after PCT I should be clear to hop back on ?
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BUDs
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rds63799 wrote:
BUDs wrote:
rds63799 wrote:
potential fertility issues are the thing that stops me from blasting and cruising
I agree with you rds, even though I've heard of guys getting their girls pregnant while on I just don't know.
I just don't think it's worth the risk. I'm 27, and I don't want kids for a few years yet, but it would be nice to have the option.
Right there with ya, I want kids but not anytime soon but I don't want to fuck with the chance of not being able too
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lbraga wrote:
Soooo 1 month after PCT I should be clear to hop back on ?
That depends on your body and now fast you recover. Waiting a month in my opinion is an aggressive approach even though I'm guilty of it, it is also a good idea to let you body do its thing for a bit.
I always try to wait at least 2 months. If it were me and I waited a month after pct and hop back on, after that cycle I would give it more time off after pct
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tattoo'd'popeye
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lbraga wrote:
Soooo 1 month after PCT I should be clear to hop back on ?
I used to wait a month when I was cycling on and off, but that was just a rough window. I was more concerned with how I felt and how my body functions were reacting. What I mean is after a month if I was feeling good, had proper energy levels, not depressed and could get horny and fuck with no problems, I considered myself recovered. I would get blood work and if all was good, begin a new cycle. So roughly 50-60 days from last injection I was back on.
I will be the first to admit I treat my body like a play ground though.
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VTBalla34
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tattoo'd'popeye wrote:
lbraga wrote:
Soooo 1 month after PCT I should be clear to hop back on ?
I used to wait a month when I was cycling on and off, but that was just a rough window. I was more concerned with how I felt and how my body functions were reacting. What I mean is after a month if I was feeling good, had proper energy levels, not depressed and could get horny and fuck with no problems, I considered myself recovered. I would get blood work and if all was good, begin a new cycle. So roughly 50-60 days from last injection I was back on.
I will be the first to admit I treat my body like a play ground though.
lol I really see no reason to even cycle at that point...it completely defeats the purpose (understand you now opt to blast/cruise).
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lbraga
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VTBalla34 wrote:
tattoo'd'popeye wrote:
lbraga wrote:
Soooo 1 month after PCT I should be clear to hop back on ?
I used to wait a month when I was cycling on and off, but that was just a rough window. I was more concerned with how I felt and how my body functions were reacting. What I mean is after a month if I was feeling good, had proper energy levels, not depressed and could get horny and fuck with no problems, I considered myself recovered. I would get blood work and if all was good, begin a new cycle. So roughly 50-60 days from last injection I was back on.
I will be the first to admit I treat my body like a play ground though.
lol I really see no reason to even cycle at that point...it completely defeats the purpose (understand you now opt to blast/cruise).
so what u think balla? help a brother out
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VTBalla34
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lbraga wrote:
so what u think balla? help a brother out
I can't make that decision for you--you are a grown ass man.
But as far as what I "think", since you asked, it appears to me that you are looking for any reason you can to justify not utilizing a conservative approach to cycling. Only your goals can dictate whether it is warranted or not, but you need to be asking yourself these questions:
-What do I hope to accomplish (strength, size, leanness, being "purty")?
-What are the long term risks of taking the route to get there (hypogonadism, imprisonment, disrupted endocrione system, elevated blood counts, gyno)?
-What are the long term impacts if those risks are realized (financial, personal, societal, legal)?
-Do the risks/impacts justify the goals?
Personally, I will be quite honest that I see absolutely no reason a guy who is not a PAID competitive athlete or fitness model or something should increase their risk--I know I wouldn't. The long term potential damage to your HPTA and other body functions are not worth it. Regardless of how overblown the risks are by media sensationalism, one must acknowledge that they do exist and are potentially damaging.
Therefore, I do whatever I can in this forum to recommend guys cycle conservatively.
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powerbuilder57
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I think,off time is how did your cycle plus the pct took ..
exaple 10 weeks teso 2 weeks to clear 4 weeks pct =16 weeks
after the end of my pct i will wait 16 weeks
what do you think?
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tattoo'd'popeye
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VTBalla34 wrote:
lbraga wrote:
so what u think balla? help a brother out
I can't make that decision for you--you are a grown ass man.
But as far as what I "think", since you asked, it appears to me that you are looking for any reason you can to justify not utilizing a conservative approach to cycling. Only your goals can dictate whether it is warranted or not, but you need to be asking yourself these questions:
-What do I hope to accomplish (strength, size, leanness, being "purty")?
-What are the long term risks of taking the route to get there (hypogonadism, imprisonment, disrupted endocrione system, elevated blood counts, gyno)?
-What are the long term impacts if those risks are realized (financial, personal, societal, legal)?
-Do the risks/impacts justify the goals?
Personally, I will be quite honest that I see absolutely no reason a guy who is not a PAID competitive athlete or fitness model or something should increase their risk--I know I wouldn't. The long term potential damage to your HPTA and other body functions are not worth it. Regardless of how overblown the risks are by media sensationalism, one must acknowledge that they do exist and are potentially damaging.
Therefore, I do whatever I can in this forum to recommend guys cycle conservatively.
When we get carried away or were about to use the phrase "check this out" right before we do something stupid, Balla is the like the voice of reason. Which we totally need around here myself included.
Having said that our personal goals and how we measure risk to reward is different for each of us. How I view AAS and its usage has changed over the years. In my 20's I wanted to perform and look good right then and there, now in my mid 30's my goals are to compete and still look descent in my 40's. Im sure in my 40's my views will change again.
Point being we all push the envelope, so I second Balla on doing it as responsibly as possible.
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lbraga
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tattoo'd'popeye wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
lbraga wrote:
so what u think balla? help a brother out
I can't make that decision for you--you are a grown ass man.
But as far as what I "think", since you asked, it appears to me that you are looking for any reason you can to justify not utilizing a conservative approach to cycling. Only your goals can dictate whether it is warranted or not, but you need to be asking yourself these questions:
-What do I hope to accomplish (strength, size, leanness, being "purty")?
-What are the long term risks of taking the route to get there (hypogonadism, imprisonment, disrupted endocrione system, elevated blood counts, gyno)?
-What are the long term impacts if those risks are realized (financial, personal, societal, legal)?
-Do the risks/impacts justify the goals?
Personally, I will be quite honest that I see absolutely no reason a guy who is not a PAID competitive athlete or fitness model or something should increase their risk--I know I wouldn't. The long term potential damage to your HPTA and other body functions are not worth it. Regardless of how overblown the risks are by media sensationalism, one must acknowledge that they do exist and are potentially damaging.
Therefore, I do whatever I can in this forum to recommend guys cycle conservatively.
When we get carried away or were about to use the phrase "check this out" right before we do something stupid, Balla is the like the voice of reason. Which we totally need around here myself included.
Having said that our personal goals and how we measure risk to reward is different for each of us. How I view AAS and its usage has changed over the years. In my 20's I wanted to perform and look good right then and there, now in my mid 30's my goals are to compete and still look descent in my 40's. Im sure in my 40's my views will change again.
Point being we all push the envelope, so I second Balla on doing it as responsibly as possible.
Definitely trying to hit the perfect point between conservative and aggressive, but the bottom line is that it's better to be safe than sorry. thanks for the advice and putting it all into perspective
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