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nickelh
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Hi guys, I know there have been a million qeustions concerning Test E cycles. But after doing a lot of research i can't find a answer to my qeustion.

I read that the ideal dose for a Test E cycle only is 500mg a week and up, but does this also apply when stacking it with EQ? Im in my first week, used 250mg of Test E and 200mg of EQ, and planing on running this for 12 weeks.

Now I know these are verry low dosages, but a year ago I had a verry bad experience with sustenon 250. Was using 750mg weekly and it ruined my skin, basicly scared on my chest and back for life. So wanna take it easy this time around.

I would like to keep the dosage low but with some decent gains aswell.

I would apreciate some advice since im from South Africa and not too many people around here are clued up as you guys are.

My stats are : 24 years old, weighing in at 91kg and body fat sitting at 14%.

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Hagar
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There's different opinions about this. Try it out and see. I personally like a little higher dose and don't get bad acne until I'm coming off cycle. Also your results probably won't as dramatic with a lower dose.

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nickelh
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Thanx alot Hagar, so would 500mg test E and 200mg EQ be better, or should i go for 250mg test E twice a week also with 200mg EQ?

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Brook
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I have read in every place imaginable that 200mg eq is a useless dose.

400mg is an effective minimum and is what i am using currently,(with test) with an 800mgEQ frontload.

I have used 600/wk over 12wks (again with a mod dose test) and felt no amazing extra results. i dislike the drug.

It may be noticeable at 600mg-800mg a week, with a little proviron and nothing else.. but under a big mover/shaker like testosterone nothing can be noticed..

Brook

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TheBeat2
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I like to say 2cc's of each as a good dose, I know that can vary quite a bit, but it does put you in the ballpark.

Now EQ is pretty much half of test is every way: half the gains, half the sex drive, half the sides as well. Now as far as gain's I put it more like a quarter or less. People like it because they can run less test and maintain more muscle mass as well as get more vascular, I find the vascularity overrated as a whole. To put what I'm saying into context let's use what I like to call "test equivalent":
250mg test = 250 test equivalent
200mg eq = 100 test equivalent or in my book 25-50
So, even though this is general and not very scientific, it is empirical and adds up to 275-350mg test equivalent - in other words running the above cycle in my opinion is the same as running 300mg of test, nothing more.

I'm not a fan of EQ personally and do not see it's appeal, as in my opinion and experience - one can get much more done with less total steroid by upping the test just a bit. I also strongly believe and recommend that adding a different compound like a DHT, 19-nor, or an oral will net far better results in every possible way.

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nickelh
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You guys have no idea how much i apreciate the advice!!!

So I think i'll up the EQ to 400mg and 250 of the test E once a week.

If i see no extreme sides within 4 weeks i'll take 400mg EQ + 500mg of test E.

Do you guys think it would be better to cut my losses and chuck the EQ, just sticking to 500mg of test E right through my cycle? In the long run it seems like the cheapest and most practical option.

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TheBeat2
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nickelh wrote:
You guys have no idea how much i apreciate the advice!!!

So I think i'll up the EQ to 400mg and 250 of the test E once a week.

If i see no extreme sides within 4 weeks i'll take 400mg EQ + 500mg of test E.

Do you guys think it would be better to cut my losses and chuck the EQ, just sticking to 500mg of test E right through my cycle? In the long run it seems like the cheapest and most practical option.


If you have the EQ - run it, if not consider something else or just drop it - IMO

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nickelh
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Btw, this is what the sustanon did to my skin, and that permanent, hope you guys understand why im a bit putt of from high test dosages.

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Hagar
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nickelh wrote:
You guys have no idea how much i apreciate the advice!!!

So I think i'll up the EQ to 400mg and 250 of the test E once a week.

If i see no extreme sides within 4 weeks i'll take 400mg EQ + 500mg of test E.

Do you guys think it would be better to cut my losses and chuck the EQ, just sticking to 500mg of test E right through my cycle? In the long run it seems like the cheapest and most practical option.


I like EQ + test more than just test alone. 400mg of EQ and 250 of test E sounds like a good plan IMO for some quality gains. In the pic in my avitar I was only on 250 test E and 200 mast E every 6 days. I've been happy with moderate doses but I definitely put on more size with higher amounts.

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mephistopheles
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400eq+250test is pretty good. It will probably give the same result as a 500mg test only cycle, but with less side effect.
The only thing is that eq take ages to kick in.

IMO, I'd rather use lower dosage and have less side effect. You can always do another cycle in the future. It will just take a little longer. I don't want to have ruined skin for the rest of my life, just to put on 5 pounds of muscle a little sooner.

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TheBeat2
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mephistopheles wrote:
400eq+250test is pretty good. It will probably give the same result as a 500mg test only cycle, but with less side effect.
The only thing is that eq take ages to kick in.

IMO, I'd rather use lower dosage and have less side effect. You can always do another cycle in the future. It will just take a little longer. I don't want to have ruined skin for the rest of my life, just to put on 5 pounds of muscle a little sooner.


I would argue that it would offer no where near the same gains as 500mg/test, but MIGHT offer a good cycle for him regardless. But then again, I personally didn't notice much of a difference from 400mg/EQ period other than some hunger (I think?)

I wouldn't count on it not causing Acne - I tend to get it the worst with non-test compounds personally, but let's get others comments on this and I don't really get much acne beyond the norm with anything unless my levels fluxuate too much i.e Tren EOD instead of ED or the first couple of weeks of a cycle, though my worse even was on Tren Enan and I'm not sure why?

Also those damn SERMS are murder to my skin personally. I would consider looking into doing something proactive this time around to avoid the acne, maybe a shorter cycle with some Amoxicillon from a Derm or whatever would work best - Augmentim (a Amoxicillon) works better than anything for me personally. Good Luck!

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Hussayn
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nickelh wrote:
Btw, this is what the sustanon did to my skin, and that permanent, hope you guys understand why im a bit putt of from high test dosages.


How is your acne permanent? The spots that are caused by acne are only temporary.... Through strict showers after the gym and in the morning using a lufah & tanning you can usually eliminate a lot or all of acne on your back.

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mephistopheles
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I guess everyone is different. I get zero acne on test, low libido too, I don't gain much on test either. I gain more on a 6 week dbol cycle than 12 weeks of 500mg test.
It takes time and multiple cycles to find the ideal stack.

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nickelh
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My cycle is going great so far, I gained 4kg in my first two weeks and only gained 1% body fat, im eating like a crazy person and quite happy with that. My strenght has also gone up alot so im smiling all the way, 4 weeks in no and no acne, gonna stick to 400mg of EQ and bump up the test to 500mg in week 5 to 10, lets hope for the best.

I have to add that im taking at least 3 showers a day and spending as much time as possible in the sun. Also taking vit E and Zinc to take care of things from the inside.

You guys have helped me alot and I will defenetly try some of the other options in my next cycle.

To answer your qeustion Hussayn, the dermatoligist said the high amount of test i was using afected some sebatius(i think) gland and my skin fuct out completely, he almost sent me to hospital to be put on a cortizone drip. The spots in my foto isnt acne any more, just round acne look-a-like scars. they are pink and qoute solid, and the only thing that might help is expensive laser treatment.

Since i want to be real big and not pretty, im not to worried about the scars, will spend alot of time in the sun, ake some vit E and hope for the best.

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Brook
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Increased SEBACEOUS gland oil secretion is a very common side of AAS and is the reason that AAS can increase acne in some.

As for permanent acne - nope. But the scarring can often be.

And.. mephistopheles, i can pretty safely say it is highly likely you have used primarily fake testosterone which is why the 'results' you gained were such.

Brook

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mephistopheles
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Good stuff nickelh. keep it up

Brook
it was australian UGL test. I suspect it was actually vet grade Boldenone. :(
I noticed increased appetite, endurance, and the mass/strength gains didn't really come until the end of 6th week.

legit human grade test cost about 30 bucks per 200mg shot at a "anti-aging" doctor.

So next time I will probably take a holiday in CHina and do a test/hgh cycle over there.

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postal88
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nickelh wrote:
experience with sustenon 250. Was using 750mg weekly and it ruined my skin, basicly scared on my chest and back for life. So wanna take it easy this time around.


Have you thought about taking Accutane during the cycle? This stuff completely prevents acne for a lot of people.

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postal88
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nickelh wrote:
Since i want to be real big and not pretty, im not to worried about the scars, will spend alot of time in the sun, ake some vit E and hope for the best.


Sun will hide the acne, since you'll be redder/darker all over, but it won't prevent it. In fact, sun can make the acne worse because it irritates your skin.

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