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Brotha123
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Has anyone experimented with any pro-hormones..i have been looking into them and i am not sure what the best ones are? i am 19 yrs old.

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rrjc5488
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19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.

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ucallthatbass
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safest + most effective = does not compute!! doesn't work with PHs

rrjc is right, don't touch AAS or PHs until good and ready, after researching A LOT.

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TattoosNLifting
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I just went through a rough cycle of eq plex. Thought it was comparable to boldenone and not liver toxic... well my mono flared up midway through the cycle and blood test showed my liver was inflamed. I'm in pct now and funny thing is my appetite is more now than mid cycle

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Westclock
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The prohormone that is the "safest" doesnt really matter, since any of them can fuck you up pretty badly when your young.



The PH with the fewest issues/sideeffects to the best gains is Havoc/epistane.



You really should wait till your 21, starting young can cripple you, your test production will be somewhat less than otherwise for the rest of your life if your especially unlucky.

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Brotha123
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Yeah i guess you guys are right. Do you think 21 is old enough?

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ucallthatbass
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Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%

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BONEZ217
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ucallthatbass wrote:
Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%



Sweet numbers BRO!!

It's not quite that black and white but I understand your intention.


Percentages aside, yes the longer one waits the lower the risk of endocrine damage becomes. There are always exceptions and there are always risks, regardless of age.

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BONEZ217 wrote:
ucallthatbass wrote:
Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%



Sweet numbers BRO!!

It's not quite that black and white but I understand your intention.


Percentages aside, yes the longer one waits the lower the risk of endocrine damage becomes. There are always exceptions and there are always risks, regardless of age.



Aren't they... I was probably being quite liberal with the ranges, they are probably smaller. Good call BRAH!!!

Are you still on PCT? You've been a little sensitive lately and jumping down everyone's throat.

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goddamit my sarcasm is all off after a week of shit. Apologies all around for my douchey numbers, but yes the longer you wait, the lower the risk.

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BONEZ217
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ucallthatbass wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
ucallthatbass wrote:
Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%



Sweet numbers BRO!!

It's not quite that black and white but I understand your intention.


Percentages aside, yes the longer one waits the lower the risk of endocrine damage becomes. There are always exceptions and there are always risks, regardless of age.



Aren't they... I was probably being quite liberal with the ranges, they are probably small. good call BRAH!!!


The ranges don't matter. You made it sound like the body knows the difference between age 19 and age 21. Endocrine systems in different people take different amounts of time to mature. And even then some people have more robust endocrine systems than others. There's no way someone can assign a specific percentage to a specific age. That's all.

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rrjc5488
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ucallthatbass wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
ucallthatbass wrote:
Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%



Sweet numbers BRO!!

It's not quite that black and white but I understand your intention.


Percentages aside, yes the longer one waits the lower the risk of endocrine damage becomes. There are always exceptions and there are always risks, regardless of age.



Aren't they... I was probably being quite liberal with the ranges, they are probably smaller. Good call BRAH!!!

Are you still on PCT? You've been a little sensitive lately and jumping down everyone's throat.



You used "probably" in both of your assertions. Come on.

Either post some study where it says that, or don't pull assinine numbers out of your ass.

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ucallthatbass
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^ sorry forgot the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] there

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BONEZ217
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ucallthatbass wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
ucallthatbass wrote:
Using under 18-20 years old can really mess you up. At 21 there is like a 5-10% chance of permanately damaging you HPTA, and at 25 the chance is like 1-5%



Sweet numbers BRO!!

It's not quite that black and white but I understand your intention.


Percentages aside, yes the longer one waits the lower the risk of endocrine damage becomes. There are always exceptions and there are always risks, regardless of age.



Aren't they... I was probably being quite liberal with the ranges, they are probably smaller. Good call BRAH!!!

Are you still on PCT? You've been a little sensitive lately and jumping down everyone's throat.

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goddamit my sarcasm is all off after a week of shit. Apologies all around for my douchey numbers, but yes the longer you wait, the lower the risk.


I don't even know who you are and you are making snide remarks about PCT? Editing them in nonetheless?

I didn't jump down your throat about shit. I tried to politely explain that your numbers are retarded.

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TattoosNLifting
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The only AAS I've used has been in ph form, and I've got the good with the bad on all of them. My primary reason for using, besides gains etc was the fact that I couldnt get a source. The whole online buying scares the hell outta me, same with a western union transfer. As far as asking a big dude at the gym, doesnt look like any1 is juicin as far as I can tell

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rrjc5488
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TattoosNLifting wrote:
My primary reason for using, besides gains etc was the fact that I couldnt get a source. The whole online buying scares the hell outta me, same with a western union transfer.


You do realize it's a black market, correct?

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Brotha123
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okay if your body cannot tell the different between ages 19 and 21 then why wait?

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BONEZ217
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Brotha123 wrote:
okay if your body cannot tell the different between ages 19 and 21 then why wait?



Because the younger you are the greater the likelihood that your endocrine system isn't fully stablized/matured. I thought I made that clear in my post.

The NUMBER isn't important. The risk of permament endocrine damage lessens as the body matures. Some people choose to use at 18. Others choose to wait until theyre 30. And others choose anywhere in the middle. The numbers are just numbers.

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davidcox1
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rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?

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davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?



Because this thread has been read about 400 times, but only posted in less than 20 times.

Many, many people use information and advice from these forums that do not post. Those people will not see that PM.



We prefer not to recommend steroids to teenagers without big "warning disclaimers" on them.

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rrjc5488
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davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?


Your post offered no help to the OP whatsoever. Mine did.

Why even post this?

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davidcox1
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rrjc5488 wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?


Your post offered no help to the OP whatsoever. Mine did.

Why even post this?


I think it would have been fine to answer his question but advise against use at his age, but to just turn him off because of his age seems unnecessary. I didn't answer his question because I don't have any experience with prohormones and thus don't have an answer.

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davidcox1
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Westclock wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?



Because this thread has been read about 400 times, but only posted in less than 20 times.

Many, many people use information and advice from these forums that do not post. Those people will not see that PM.



We prefer not to recommend steroids to teenagers without big "warning disclaimers" on them.


Got it, but the guy's question still has not been answered. Are we all going to limit our speech on this site just so the "kids" don't see the information here (but find it elsewhere)? Seems unnecessarily limiting to me. So what prohormones do you guys recommend? I'm 45, so there's no need to chastise me about fucking up my youthful endocrine system. Does anyone dare answer?

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Detroitlionsbaby
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H-drol, Basically a Tbol prohormone. IMO the best gains to side effects drug.

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Westclock
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davidcox1 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?



Because this thread has been read about 400 times, but only posted in less than 20 times.

Many, many people use information and advice from these forums that do not post. Those people will not see that PM.



We prefer not to recommend steroids to teenagers without big "warning disclaimers" on them.


Got it, but the guy's question still has not been answered. Are we all going to limit our speech on this site just so the "kids" don't see the information here (but find it elsewhere)? Seems unnecessarily limiting to me. So what prohormones do you guys recommend? I'm 45, so there's no need to chastise me about fucking up my youthful endocrine system. Does anyone dare answer?




Not to throw it in your face, but I did infact answer his question a good 3 days ago...in this thread.

Which you apparently did not read.


And I have wrote literally pages of shit in the PH thread. Ten minutes of reading and he would have had his answer...but I came into this thread, and literally spoon fed it to him.



Your view on censorship is correct, I still answer all questions, but I also disclaim just about everything I say because I want to, my info, my prerogative.

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davidcox1
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Westclock wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
19? You shouldn't be touching AAS. (That includes prohormones.)

Whey, creatine, fish oil. All can be found in the T-Nation store.


Why not just answer the question and do your preaching in a PM to OP?



Because this thread has been read about 400 times, but only posted in less than 20 times.

Many, many people use information and advice from these forums that do not post. Those people will not see that PM.



We prefer not to recommend steroids to teenagers without big "warning disclaimers" on them.


Got it, but the guy's question still has not been answered. Are we all going to limit our speech on this site just so the "kids" don't see the information here (but find it elsewhere)? Seems unnecessarily limiting to me. So what prohormones do you guys recommend? I'm 45, so there's no need to chastise me about fucking up my youthful endocrine system. Does anyone dare answer?




Not to throw it in your face, but I did infact answer his question a good 3 days ago...in this thread.

Which you apparently did not read.


And I have wrote literally pages of shit in the PH thread. Ten minutes of reading and he would have had his answer...but I came into this thread, and literally spoon fed it to him.



Your view on censorship is correct, I still answer all questions, but I also disclaim just about everything I say because I want to, my info, my prerogative.


I see it now. I skipped it because the first sentence of your post said "it really doesn't matter" . . . so I assumed (and errantly did not read further) that your post was more of the same "you're-too-young-to-know-this-secret-info" and that you were not going to answer the question. But you did answer the question. Sorry for missing it earlier.

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