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jidayjiday
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Join date: Dec 2011
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SwD wrote:
What I dislike MOST about PH is the FALSE sense of security consumers have, and the advertisement is certainly to blame.

Superdrol, when it came out, was basically promoted as safe, no side effetcs and blabla.

Now we can read on many forums about high blood pressure, delayed gyno and all that nasty shit, but when I took it there was no such info. The makers of these products outright lie to sell their stuff.




Except for the methyl addition that is hard on the liver, why would a PH have results any different from its parent steroid ?
For example, all the sides you mention about superdrol are not seen with masterone ?

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BONEZ217
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jidayjiday wrote:
SwD wrote:
What I dislike MOST about PH is the FALSE sense of security consumers have, and the advertisement is certainly to blame.

Superdrol, when it came out, was basically promoted as safe, no side effetcs and blabla.

Now we can read on many forums about high blood pressure, delayed gyno and all that nasty shit, but when I took it there was no such info. The makers of these products outright lie to sell their stuff.




Except for the methyl addition that is hard on the liver, why would a PH have results any different from its parent steroid ?
For example, all the sides you mention about superdrol are not seen with masterone ?


Superdrol is not a prohormone. It's a designer steroid. It's active as is, requiring no conversion.


Stop asking questions that sound almost rhetorical. It's rude as fuck.

That coupled with the fact that virtually every question youve asked so far or every comment youve made has been based on a false premise, make you extremely irritating.

There are ways to seek info and then there's what youre doing. Trying to sound like a know-it-all with some sort of agenda.

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jidayjiday
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Didn't want to upset you, and still don't get why you and others find my questions arrogant and rhetorical. What is rhetorical about asking if a steroid and its ph counterparts have exactly same effects ? And why would this even be rude ? ....

About superdrol, I was just taking that from the very first post of this sticky, that presented superdrol as a PH based on masterone. Sorry if the information was wrong or inaccurate. Also, SwD, that I was quoting, was precisely talking about superdrol as a ph.

But my primary question still holds.

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titleist55
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Join date: Mar 2011
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I'm just asking for some help from people who know there stuff, i understand i don't know everything and this is why I'm here.
my question is in relation to havoc. it is conflicted in ideas across the internet. i even went to ask marc bartley over at elitefts and he said no need for a serm with epi.
my main fear on this cycle will be loss of libido, when people say this i presume they mean not being able to get an erection? ideas maybe tribulus, horny goat weed and nettle root through cycle and pct?

secondly is gyno, i can feel a small bit of gyno I've had all my life(unnoticeable) and wondering how i should dose nolva?

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Josann
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Serm is needed. Why risk anything post cycle? Prohormones are powerful stuff and need to be respected as something that could create problems if not properly used. A serm, clomid or nolva etc, can be obtained online from a foreign pharmacy.

Have it in your possession before the cycle starts so you are ready to go immediately when the cycle ends.A good serm with DAA-DAA starting the last week of the cycle_ helps get you back quicker and allows you to keep the gains.

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Dick_In_A_Box
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Ok, so I had one great cycle of H-Drol, and one (admittedly stupid) poorly used cycle of H-Drol. At this rate I'm doing once cycle per year, it's about that time of year to do another cycle.

I thought this time I'd try M-Drol (or some other Superdrol clone), but it doesn't seem to exist. I'm finding that everything has been banned.

Are there any legit prohormones left? Has the PH era ended?

I found this:

Ultradrol
Methylstenbolone
(2,17α-dimethyl-5α-androsta-1-en-17β-ol-3-one)

But I don't know if the company is legit or if anyone has had any experiences with Methylstenbolone to know what it's really like in actual use.

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Proto Man
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Join date: Dec 2011
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so hey guys im on my first cycle of H-Drol right now and was wondering what everyone thought about running it for 7-8 weeks? Can't seem to find a clear answer. I'm in week 4, and as of now my cycle has been/will be 50/50/75/75/75/75....also, if it would be safe to run that long, would it be alright to bump to 100 for the last two weeks? PCT will be tamoxifen 40/40/20/20. I have some PCT Revolution Black that i was thinking of throwing into the mix too if i bump it to 100mg, just because i have a good friend who developed some mild gyno when he did 100mg...thoughts?

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ComradeBoris
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Dick_In_A_Box wrote:
Ok, so I had one great cycle of H-Drol, and one (admittedly stupid) poorly used cycle of H-Drol. At this rate I'm doing once cycle per year, it's about that time of year to do another cycle.

I thought this time I'd try M-Drol (or some other Superdrol clone), but it doesn't seem to exist. I'm finding that everything has been banned.

Are there any legit prohormones left? Has the PH era ended?

I found this:

Ultradrol
Methylstenbolone
(2,17α-dimethyl-5α-androsta-1-en-17β-ol-3-one)

But I don't know if the company is legit or if anyone has had any experiences with Methylstenbolone to know what it's really like in actual use.


To my knowledge Havoc is still available. I am beginning PCT for it today.

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S C 0 0 Z E
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Join date: Oct 2009
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Got two questions about H-drol and PCT.

I am currently on my 4th week of h-drol, now at 75mg and plan on doing 75mg for the last 2 weeks for a total of a 6 week cycle. I am seeing awesome strength gains so far and decent size gains.

Today I don't know if paranoia just set it or not but my nipples felt a little more 'sensitive' than usual. I already have nolvadex on hand, but should I just wait it out a couple days and see if the symptoms persist or get worse? If symptoms persist; dose 20mg nolvadex/day until they fade then start nolvadex again once on PCT?

Also, I've read mixed opinions on this matter: Starting PCT along with last week of h-drol cycle or starting PCT on week 7 the day immediately after h-drol cycle. Why do some recommend starting PCT on the last week of your PH cycle? Would the 'supps' not interfere with one another?

My planned PCT:
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
CEL PCT Assist
D-Aspartic Acid 3g AM, 3g PM

Thanks.

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-ironman-
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Been looking for a replacement for CELs Hdrol myself, can't find the actual stuff? - Feel free to point me in the right direction here!

But i've come across: Halo-plex

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol

Looks the same to my untrained eye but thought I would seek the advice of those more knowledgeable. Is this the same?

Thanks.

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ComradeBoris
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So I am winding down my PCT with another week to go. I my mini-review of havoc by RPN is this: I started during a smolov jr. bench cycle. Beginning weight was 178lbs at 5'11". I hover around 10-12% body fat and my primary goals are strength oriented. I have been committed to serious weight training after my exposure to crossfit in the military demonstrating I was weak in this area.

My lifts before Havoc were Squat: 315x1 Deadlift: 385x1 and Bench 185x3. After smolov and into Madcow 5x5 my current lifts are Squat 295x3 Deadlift 340x5 Bench 195x5 currently with a 1RM of 205 after Smolov Jr. I am at 186 stable weight now. Much more lean mass gained in the upper body. Strength was great the whole time.

I think there were more pills in the container that they advertised because my cycle ended up being something like 5 and a half weeks. I did 20 mg a day fr 2 days and did 30mg for 3 weeks. I bumped up to 40 mg till the bottle was gone which brought me to a cycle of about 5.5-6 weeks. Sorry I don't have more specifics on length and dosage. I am writing this from memory 2 weeks plus into PCT. I didn't run anything with this other that diet and and motivation.

I didn't have many sides. I experienced no noticeable shutdown, didn't get fatigue or and testicular atrophy. The only side I got was headache if I didn't drink enough water. Bowel movements were more frequent and of healthy quantity :)

No. 1 thing I noticed was recovery was bomber. Each day I was lifting I would wake up feeling ready to do it again. I would be a little tight, but I just couldn't seem to get wore out. Would recommend this and plan to do this again in the future if this hybrid product I picked up doesn't pan out. I am pleased with mild gains and great strength progress.

I chose to use Havoc because it is legal, I have to keep my usage on the down low and mild and steady progression is what I am trying to achieve with little sides. Again, strength is my primary goal and added body weight is nice but I have no BB aspirations. Shooting to get to about 200lbs.

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Proto Man
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-ironman- wrote:
Been looking for a replacement for CELs Hdrol myself, can't find the actual stuff? - Feel free to point me in the right direction here!

But i've come across: Halo-plex

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol

Looks the same to my untrained eye but thought I would seek the advice of those more knowledgeable. Is this the same?

Thanks.



halo-plex is the exact same thing and is what i took. it's awesome stuff.

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Babalu41
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Hello, I was looking to purchase superdrol but I'm not sure what brand is a good one where I'm not getting completely ripped off? Also what should I use for a PCT while on superdrol?

I would just do AAS but I have no clue where I would get it.

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killerDIRK
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brother Babalu41, just surf the web a bit and you will find what you need. Just make sure that you have your PCT IN HAND before you start your cycle. I have used tomoxifen @ 40/40/20/20 with much success and no sides, BUT that is with epi/dianavar NOT the 'real" gear.

I have only run two cycles but found on the second that when I ran a class 1 with a class 2 I had much better results than when I ran the epi alone during the first cycle...fwiw.

IF you can get in touch with Bonez217 he has always been greatly helpful with my questions. I just have not been a dick about it like many here have...

Courtesy on the forums seems to go a loonngg way round these parts...

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Proto Man
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Babalu41 wrote:
Hello, I was looking to purchase superdrol but I'm not sure what brand is a good one where I'm not getting completely ripped off? Also what should I use for a PCT while on superdrol?

I would just do AAS but I have no clue where I would get it.



Super DMZ. A good friend of mine loves that stuff. and some generic tamoxifen citrate from a research chemical site will be great for PCT. dosing should be 40/40/20/20 as stated by the fellow above me.

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ComradeBoris
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Ran a 3 week cycle of Pro-Stanivar. I didn't finish the cycle. My gains were great but the acne was heinous and at the end of week 3 I could barely get out of bed from fatigue. Compared to Havoc it was wack. I will say that I gained the same on the Pro-Stanivar in 3 weeks that I did on Havoc in 5-6, so that is worth noting, but the sides were bad enough that I couldn't stand it. I will not use this product again YMMV. PCT'ing now and not planning on anymore prohormones since I am at my weight goal of >190. I still like to run and maintain a balance of size and bodyweight training. I would have been happier to do another cycle of Havoc which I recall someone in this thread mentioned was a nice blend of permanent solid gain and little to no sides.

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gkeeper24
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Is there a specific age one should wait for before using prohormones? I know you need to be at least 21.

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Makavali
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gkeeper24 wrote:
Is there a specific age one should wait for before using prohormones? I know you need to be at least 21.


Jesus fucking Christ.

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killerDIRK
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Jesus Tittie Fucking Christ X 2 !

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DeltaOne
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lol

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The-German
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What do you guys think of this website regarding prohormones? http://tunedsports.com/...tag/prohormone/

Ive found some contradiction between it and tnation specifically what to use at a specific times and dosing varies. Havoc seems to be recommended as a 2nd or 3rd cycle however I know many people run it as their first, my understanding is that once you take an advanced PH the less advanced ones are useless to you later on.(limiting the time you can take PHs in the long run). Anyway I am looking for some advice on my first cycle.

I'm 5'10, started at a skinny fat 135 and currently around a lean 190. 4 years lifting at 25 years old. Looking for some recommendations on a virgin cycle as I am currently on the look for a source to obtain some test though no luck so far(online and off) and I would like to get my question out just in case. Also what are some opinions on stacking for a first cycle?

Thanks for taking the time to reply and also for the information you guys have provided already.

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JAW
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Join date: Apr 2007
Location: Colorado, USA
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gkeeper24 wrote:
Is there a specific age one should wait for before using prohormones? I know you need to be at least 21.


Pretty sure what you meant was, should I be any older than 21, and the answer is...it depends. What are your gains so far? Are you still gaining in size, weight, and strength? If so then wait...there is always time to improve. I would recommend, in light of recent bans, stocking up on what you can find and save them for that day that your gains slow to a crawl or stop altogether. The purpose of this is not to discourage you from using ph's, but to help you maximize their potential and yours. Yes, they can and will help you get there faster, but it is a diminishing return with each subsequent cycle. You will find you need to take more or use them for longer to see the same effects, and all of this is hard on your liver and heart. So if you can, wait. If not, and you are older than 21, go for it!

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RunnerUK
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Join date: Dec 2012
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I'm 33 year old coming back from injury and now find myself 12.5kg's lighter. I need to put back the lean mass that I have lost, I've had ok results with Tribulus in the past, but I want to get some advice on Pro-Hormones that are still on sale.

Thanks in advance

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mr-code
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Join date: Dec 2013
Location: Wisconsin, USA
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I have been reading this post.. I don't know if I missed some of it , but my question is 2 parts. part 1 ---- best time is 45 mins before workout? and part 2 is do you split it up after the 3rd or 4th week----- ie: if I started out 20-20-40-40- @ 10 each would I take 20 -- before workout and 20- 5 or 6 hours later? or doesn't it matter at all and just take the whole 40 before work out.?
Thank you


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concrete67
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Well it seems that I just bought "xtreme mass" which is like superdrol apparently. I did not realize the pct was needed so I have purchased Purus Organ shield and NOW liver detox and regenerator.

I know PH is not what you like to discuss but you have provided better info than any site I have been on. The PCT part is my concern. I eat reasonable and lift hard but thought I'd give this a low dosage try. 46 year old scarred up, tore up, not as lean but still a Marine.

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