Ok so haven't been on in a while as I got super busy with work and didn't have time for all the side banter, but here's a quick update:

Nolva Tripto PCT didn't do much for me in the long run. Initial improvements were obvious for the first two weeks after trip pin, but tapered off after that - seems like it was just the initial tripto flare that has been discussed. I have suspicions the nolva was bunk and things might've gone better otherwise.

Since then I got a hold of some UGL clomid which I've been taking 50mg every 8 hours trying to closely model this study http://www.fertstert.org/...562-7/abstract.

After just a few days of this regimen I started to notice slight increases in libido and energy and for the first time in a long time I could see the veins popping up on my hands. 5 days in I had great increase in libido. During this time my testes started to hang again and improved in size. This improvement seemed to dissipate a little bit after the first week or two but remained better than pre-clomid. I began using short spurts of double dosing (100mg every 8 hrs) for one or two days at a time then returning to the 150mg a day. Each time I've done this about 3 days after things are much improved again and remain so on the regular dosing for at least a week.

No idea if my HPTA will kick in consistently as a result of this, or if it's just going to turn off again as soon as there's no clomid stimulating it.

TRT is definitely a consideration but my concern is the costs for test + ancillaries as well as the difficulty getting it in Canada. I also want to have children and I think whatever fertility I still have might be wiped out by going on exogenous Test. Obviously also if there's still a chance of restoring my HPTA to function naturally, I would much prefer to go that route.

If anyone out there has any relevant experience or knowledge on any of this I'd be happy to hear it. If anyone knows, what are the chances of being able to conceive a child while on TRT?

Rats, I had high hopes for running trip after my cycle. Did you happen to get a couple bloods done around the trip shot for reference?

Thank you for posting this by the way this drew out a lot of interesting discussion and is a very informative thread.

Mac

No problem, I was hoping to benefit others as much as possible. Thanks for your post Mac.

To answer your question, no I didn't get bloods done when I shot the trip. Looking to get some done in the next few weeks though and see exactly how effective my SERM run has been so far. As far as the trip goes though, I know it did something as I definitely had increase in libido, teste size and hanging, etc. unfortunately it didn't seem to kick start my pituitary as I'd hoped and I think I was just experiencing the initial flare from GnRH stimulation. To be honest though, the trip may not have been very potent, the nolva I got from the supposedly legit source was bunk as hell.

If I were to make a recommendation based on my experience, I'd say for this kind of thing your best bet is to do a standard SERM PCT albeit maybe at a high dose. IF that proves ineffective then might as well give some trip a shot with some more SERM. Obviously if you're very well educated on how to use trip then you might as well use it, but for those who aren't clear on all the details and interactions it is much easier and possibly safer to just run a SERM.

At this point I am a bit worried that the trip may have shut me down worse (would make sense if I did have a lowered set point for negative E inhibition - like I've suspected). Also, I don't think I used the HCG effectively, it was such a fine balance between not using enough to get an effect and possibly using too much and frying my nuts beyond repair.

Thanks again for the thoughtful post.

All of the information I have seen about trip that contains blood work shows the same kinda flare you experienced and then levels returning to low end normal within a couple weeks to a month after 20/20/20/20 Nolva PCT. A couple were confounded because of adding to much clomid which could overload the HPTA or the lack of HCG during cycle. Regardless, results containing blood work have been disappointing to say the least. This is a shame I had such high hopes for the trip.

I think I will heed your advice and just keep it in the box of tricks this PCT and wait until more information comes out on it. Fools gold for now I suppose, it really did sound to good to be true, instant recovery.... Guess you always gotta pay your dues when you come off.

I wish you the best of luck on your road to recovery. Keep hitting the books and experimenting and you will find something to get you back to where you need to be.

Mac