Adding oil should definitely reduce pain as will heating syringe prior to inject (put capped syringe in glass of hot tap water for 5 mins). Slowing the injection down will help too.
I was on my third daily injection of Test P/Mast P, 75/50mgs. The third shot was in my quad and one day later I had very limited mobility with mild flu like symptoms. This is now the third day post injection and I am getting back some mobility, however the delt shot I did on day four is now giving me similar symptoms of my ill fated quad shot.
Friday was my last injection, as I have decieded to let this experience pass and start over from day one.
After reading this ENTIRE thread I can say that the only logical culprit was the BA content of my stealth-esque sachets! Coupled with the fact that I got lazy and started injecting fast. literally jamming the medication through as opposed to using the gradual approach. For the record I injected with 25 gauge 1 inch needles.
Would adding grape seed oil help with this issue? Any other assistance/thoughts would be appreciated.
Join date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
hey I've been trying to find some info on how bog adeal it is if my wife injected me about 3 inches lower posterior glue than my normal injection site. I was lying on the bed and really didn't pay much attention, (from my POV it looked like the right area) It stung just a bit but no other problems have arised post injection. Not carrying excessive fatty tissue in my glute or anything, am I alright. Wasn't a wasted injection was it.
The risk is hitting the sciatic nerve, which you would absolutely know about if you did (with a possibility being a sudden and excruciatingly painful tensing of the muscle, which snaps the needle tip off which would then be sucked into the muscle [requiring surgery] on relaxation).
Basically it would be terribly painful (and i would imagine if done with total ineptitude it may lead to paralysis of the leg in question, but that is a guess).
ok so I got some revol labs test cyp. First shot on saturday turned out to be bad and had swelling, heat, redness about an inch below the initial injection site. Doc said dont worry take some amoxicillin and avoid the delt. tuesday I pinned a 1.5 mix of 1cc cyp .5 deca into my left glute---So sore but no swelling. Next shot comes wednesday in my right glute---extremely painful but no swelling. Just really tight in the muscle...painful to bend over.
its thursday and the delt swelling and redness is gone but the heat is still present and I have a big hard lump under the skin on the delt.
Any insight guys? Im wondering if this is gonna have to get drained or somethin. Its gettin better but I have flu like symptoms and feel like I have fever but its normal at 98.9. Im super achy too...
Join date: May 2008
Location: Wisconsin, USA
If a concentration of BA is to high and causing pain, what is the solution with homebrew. All recipes seem to ask for the 2%BA and 20%BB. The only home brew I have done that didnt hurt was a finiplex conversion with no BA or BB just oil (Bill ROBERTS VERSION/ NO HEAT). My store bought TRT test C is painless.
From powder can you make test P, test E or Tren A without BA????
Sanitary protocol: full shower prior/alcohol swabbing of bottle caps and site; full drying allowed. Brand new pins used each and every time. ALWAYS aspirate before pushing down on plunger. Very relaxed during process.
Week 1 pinning performed by buddy who is a very seasoned juicer into left glute. No pain, soreness, nothing.
Week 2 Pinned by self in left quad -- injection took forever to get into vastsus lateralis. No pain/soreness after.
Week 3 Pinned self in right v.lateralis. Could not get all of injection to go in; lots of resistance. Pulled out remaining solution, switched pins, tried to stick left v.lateralis. Leg twitched like I may have brushed a nerve; pulled out & moved site a centimeter medial and retried -- success with no ill effects.
Week 4 pinned self in left v.lateralis. The solution went in much faster than the other 3 weeks. I always aspirate, and I was definitely in the v. lateralis, definitely not between muscles. Left v.lateralis took entire injection no problem. Got quite sore about 4 hours later. Has continued to become sorer and left v.lateralis feels 'tight'. No sign of edema, no lumps, no discernible heat differences b/w left and right lateralis'. Still have a full range of motion (with some pain -- 4 on a 10 scale) 28 hours later.
Any advice given will be much appreciated. Week 4's pinning was performed at 7:15am PST on 5/21/10
Results for the cycle so far have been absolutely phenomenal, w/ minimal sides including increased sweating; increased wanting-to-fuck-the-snot-out-of-every-breathing-woman; skeet skeet skeet; a TINY -- and I mean almost negligible -- couple of pimples on my back.
EDIT: quit staring at my f00king avatar and give me some bloody advice :D Lolz. Off to the boxing match; catch you guys in a bit.
EDIT # 2: Leg feels a ton better. Went to the Marquez v. Vasquez fight last night and took down a few drinks. Woke up this morning and the pain is almost non-existent. Alcohol FTW???
Probably not, but holy shit was this leg thing scary . . .
Join date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Hey everyone. Just got back from the doc. Have been on a test/deca cycle for two weeks now. I believe the gear I have is known for high BA so that being said, I understand how it may cause additional pain post injection, and it has. about a week ago I did a test/deca injection in my left glute and it went in fine.
the following days it slowly began to swell up and become more painful. There was no major swelling, redness, or much heat...up until yesterday. swelling began to rise quite a bit, edema showed, redness, and it was extremely sore. I did not have a fever which was a good sign.
I did not have access to a 18g or larger needle to try and aspirate it, so I used the largest I had which was a 20g. I tried aspirating for a good minute or so, starting about a half in. in and went a little passed an in. to come up with nothing other than a small amount of coagulated blood. I figured the needle wasnt thick enough. After that I decided to go see the doc.
The swelling and edema was about 3x6 inches roughly. It was not bright red, just slightly red and bruised. After my examination he was almost positive that it was not an abscess, but an hematoma. He said that they can occur with from an injection and that there was nothing to really worry about.
Also, that it is going to probably take about 2-3 weeks for the blood to soak back in the muscle etc. and to use a hot pad once in a while to help speed it up and take ibuprofen to help ease the pain, and it is painful!! I read through the majority of the posts on here and did not see a hematoma being a result of an im injection pain. Hope my post is helpful and that this hematoma goes away fast lol!!
I am one of those learn by the school of hard knocks kinda people. If I may ad my own 2cents, I personally like to use a 25guage needle for test e as well as dec. It is a bit harder to fill syringe and takes longer to inject, but I seem to notice that it is much less evasive on my muscles.
Also, it is very important to hold the needle from making any side to side motions. Back in my dumbass days I didnt take alot of care in holding the needle still. If I am shooting into my quads, I push the needle in very slowly, and at a bit of an angle, if I feel the slightest pain beneath my skin I will gently back the needle off a millimeter or so and then push in again.
I dont know why it works for my I have no theory, it just works for me and I have totally painless shots of test and dec. Hey Prisoner would you take time to write about sterile abcess. I have taked to several people that have experienced them, including myself. Mainly when I was using more then 2cc and shooting in my buttocks or hip....
Join date: Aug 2010
Location: Georgia, USA
For the last few days, I have been experiencing BA-related pain in my hip after a ventrogluteal inject of test enanthate. The first dose of my cycle was Wednesday and today I was still sore enough and tight enough that I couldn't squat. Is there a way to dilute the BA, maybe by drawing up sterile oil in the pin with the test enan, or is this a waste of time and oil? As long as mobility comes back, I can deal with a little pain.
Join date: Jun 2007
Location: Colorado, USA
I'm sort of a newbie to steroids in that I micro-dose with gear that has relatively low androgenic properties such as winstrol tabs or depot ans Sustanon. A little goes a long way with me as a competitive cyclist who can't afford to gain alot of weight and a ton of muscle. About 2 years ago, I used to get my gear from the same supplier with little to no problems. Sometimes it would arrive a little late, but it always arrived.
I especially like their brand of Sust. I feel it is perfect for micro-dosing. I would inject the upper glute with a 25G x 1 inch pin (I have a pretty low body fat so 1 inch is perfect) and I would have NO pain, ever. and I always inject in the same right upper butt-cheek area. I've gone 2 years without injecting anything until now. I bought the same Sust from the same supplier using the same size needle and technique and it hurts like bloody Hell!
The very first injection went fine until the next day when I felt like I had a butcher knife sticking out of my ass. After it eventually subsided in about 4 day's, I injected about 5 inches lower, or almost the middle of the glut max. I then went for a hard 65 mile ride. The next day it was very painful again, and I got worse as the day's progressed. I'm on the fifth day from that injection as I sit here balancing on one butt cheek because of the alarmingly intense pain of the other.
My question, after reading the entire thread on injection pain, is this...can a manufacturer change the recipe of there gear ie cut it with inferior ingredients to cut cost to the detriment of the consumer? I want to continue using this brand so some feedback would at least placate my frustration as this could very well be just two weird isolated incidences
I make my own gear and have had some batches hurt worse then others, using the same sterilization technique, same ba-bb from same bottle, same exact method, meticulous on dosing and making sure the materials are measured accurately.... I am starting to believe that some powders (the hormone ) is not as consistant and pure as one would believe.
Also I want to ad that alot and I mean alot of vials you all believe are legit, are actually counterfeit. Hate to break the news to ya all but it's true. Thirdly, if there is such a word, ba gets a pretty bad rap. I have had 3% ba batches of deca. No pain what so ever, 2% ba test e hurt like a mother f'r.
So the pain in my school of experience (I know says very little) is not always in the ba.... I am leaning towards powders that are not consistant. I even have read some powders can have acidic residue in them. Don't quote me on that but I have read that from several sources. So with the counterfeiting I just don't believe you always get what you think your getting. Just my 2 cents worth
Join date: Jun 2007
Location: Colorado, USA
Thanks andy. The brand in question does have some anti-counterfeit characteristics like a holographic sticker and a laser etched logo on the bottle that appear accurate. Can counterfeit gear actually have no steroid at all, or a weak "watered down" version? My gear, albeit painful, is doing the job it's supposed to.
I also emailed the manufacturer yesterday, still waiting for a reply. I'm sure they'll respond as they always do when I have a question. I'm just hesitant to use this stuff again as it's so distractingly painful. And I have a very high pain threshold.
I am not saying all gear is counterfeit, but I do know that much of it is. I still see people talk about brands that I know have been shutdown for two, three years and longer. I know that the hormones as well as the materials needed to make a good product, is reasonably inexpensive, I actually believe that alot of labs are much more likely to overdose there gear, so the effects are evident, so when it comes to enanthate, that overdosing in and of itself can lead to a little bit more pain, or alot more pain, depending on the colorbic acid that is left in the product....
On another note, there is alot more rewards for a ug lab to spend research and a few cents more on a fancy label, for obvious reasons, easy to sale, and less questions. I just know that you can by test e that I would put up against anyones product, that you can buy for 50 bucks, 10ml and is smoother and less painful then popular brands for alot more money. Deca same thing you want to pay 60 bucks for 10ml or 120 bucks.... back to subject, I still would love to get information on studies that ba at 2% to 5% causes pain, or what is the maximum amount of bb can be in a product without causing pain.... I always hear people talk about ba content, but at 3% it wont cause pain for me in deca, but the same amount in test e causes pain, that tells me its not the ba.
Anyone that can informate me a little more, I would greatly appreciate it.
Join date: Jun 2007
Location: Colorado, USA
Come to think of it...I remember cutting the Sust with about 50% Mexican vet-grade Equipoise that I bought on a road trip to Juarez, just before it became the drug-war-hell-hole it is today. Could that have softened the BA + BB in the Sust? Or diluted it enough as to render the BA + BB insignificant?
If that is the case, I need to find some EQ, but for some reason, my supplier doesn't carry it. So I don't think I actually ever shot straight Sust until now. Which explains the unexpected post injection pain that seems to affect almost everyone. I read that a EQ and Sust stack was very beneficial whilst taking Winstrol tabs, which is what I was doing with excellent results.
Also, I'm a little hesitant to try the sterile grape seed oil cutting method. Have there been any allergic reaction to it? I have two 300ml bottles of Sust that I'm very unsure of using again because walking around like Lon Chaney's Phantom O' the Opera is starting to draw un-wanted attention. Especially since I fully recovered from my previous injections. This uncharacteristic lapse of memory has now prompted me to keep a log. I'm a big dumb animal folks.
Did my first pin of my life on monday. Right glute. Today is friday and im stil really tender and sore. My entire right ass cheek is sore. No obvious signs of an infection. Im assuming I went too fast n my shaky hands just kinda tore myself up
Last night had someone pin my left glute... this morning, no pain no soreness, nothing. He took well over double the time. To put it all in.
1 cc of Cyp btw
For the new guys, realize this is a very thick oil your putting into muscle. I say the slower the better
Join date: Dec 2010
Location: Kentucky, USA
I am running sustanon and 7 days ago I had a buddy who was telling me the best place to pin and where he pins with absolute no pain was the lower part of the leg on the outside crevess where the quad meets the ham. The first 2-3 days after I couldn't hardly walk along with swelling and terrible pain. Then tuesday 4 days after I noticed the whole lower part of my leg swollen.
Took ibuprofen and aspirin and the swelling in the lower half of my leg went down. but, there is still some swelling and tons of pain around the site, outer quad, and along the right side of my knee. I'm walking normal but it still hurts like hell to curl my leg and to try to squat down is impossible. any ideas what could be going on would greatly be appreciated. like I said it's been 7 days now...and there is no edema
Been reading this thread for a couple of times and perhaps I did not see it but here is my question:
As I finally had the last susta shot something strange hapened. The skin around the injection site is numb, not to numb but numb nuff to feel strange, the actual question is wth hapened?
I always get pain, swelling, redness, hot skin, etc but never numb skin. The first injections made my muscle mush, could hardly flex it but after a few that went away and was left with the usual hard bumps and pain.
Using susta 250 pakistan.
P.S vastus lateralis is the muscle in question.
I gotta question I injected 1cc/250 mg of tren-e in my delt Thursday at Saturday started swelling 4 days later WORSE I was vey sterile no I didn't warm it up before or after (I know I should have) I had no out of the ordinary pain with injection or now my arm is just swole bout to explode warm to the touch I'm not running a fever it's a little itchy I have injected in both glutes with no problems just the norm a little bump a little tender couple days then goes away. What can it b?what can I do?should I b worried ?