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IKIMURA
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If a concentration of BA is to high and causing pain, what is the solution with homebrew. All recipes seem to ask for the 2%BA and 20%BB. The only home brew I have done that didnt hurt was a finiplex conversion with no BA or BB just oil (Bill ROBERTS VERSION/ NO HEAT). My store bought TRT test C is painless. Before my home brewing I didnt mind injecting. I have push pins ED with the short half lives of what I am using. And before anyone asks I do fiter .22.

From powder can you make test P, test E or Tren A without BA????
Do you just dilute with sterile oil? I hear some talk of cooking the BA out of the solution? Is this possible?

I am sorry this is so wordy I just get pissed when my quads and glutes hurt the whole time I am on.

I have also posted this question in the sticky.

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What are your recipes? Nothing I ever brew ever hurts at all, including test prop at 100mg/ml using 2/20 BA/BB, soybean oil, and a .22 whatman. I cannot see any reason at all for your homebrews to be giving you pain at only a 2% concentration of BA. That's an excellent concentration, in my opinion.

I would not recommend making any of the above without BA nor should it ever be necessary.

And no, you will not cook the BA out of solution.

Anyway there's a good reason that BA is in there.

Couple of questions:

What kind of filtration system are you using?

On a level of 1 to 10, one being only the mildest soreness, ten being crippling pain that prevents movement, sleep, and aspects of regular life, where are you? Typical UGL mulekick crap will probably have you at a 5, but dirty gear will put you somewhere between 8 and 10, often accompanied by flu-like symptoms. I typically find that when I have real problems it is usually a filtration issue, and never anything else. This can be solved by a second filtration.

What kind of oil are you using? Perhaps you are having a reaction to that?

I really do NOT think that your problem is the BA content, unless your body just happens to have a particular unfortunate negative reaction to BA.

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DOHCrazy
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Cortes,

Will you send me an email?

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Cortes
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DOHCrazy wrote:
Cortes,

Will you send me an email?


Sure.

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agreed you should not have pain issues at a 2:20 ratio and pretty much everything will go into solution nicely at that amount. something else is causing the problem.

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Cortes I am using a Watman .22 and organic grape seed oil- the green stuff. On a scale from what you describe I would say a 5. It hurts enough in the theigh area that sometimes I have to skip leg workouts. Thanks for your input I dont know if it would be the oil reaction because my finiplex conversion didnt give me any issues with the same oil.

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I like grapeseed oil, and have often used it myself. .22 is a given, of course.

Okay, next question: Do you inject your TRT test cyp in the same location (thigh?)? Because this site is notorious for post-injection pain. I avoid it for the most part, myself, except when shooting peptides. As painless as my prop is everywhere else, it still gives me significant soreness if I inject it into the vastus lateralis. (Now I see you mentioned glute, as well...)

If you already do use that site, are you now injecting a significantly higher volume there?

If you are still having problems, it is possible that there was some problem with the filtration of your first batch. Sometimes, as I said above, a second filtration will take care of everything. I occasionally wonder if the "sterile vials" we purchase are really sterile, because there have been a couple of times I was fucking positive that I did everything right and that gear was some of the most painful shit ever. Re-filtration into new vials solved the problem, though ostensibly it should not have been an issue in the first place.

Also, just out of curiosity did you edit the original post? Seems like there's stuff in there that wasn't there when I first posted.

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Wow Cortes I think you were spot on. I thought I had done everything correct also. I used a 3cc syringe instead of a 10CC both times. It want alot faster. Maybe too fast, because if you look at the picture the vial on the left was what I was using. I drew everything out of that vial and re filtered it this morning.

The vial on the far right is after the second filtration. The vial in the middle is a unfiltered vial. The empty vial has alot of sediment in it. The middle vial is very cloudy(filtered once) and the vial on the right is much more clear(filtered twice). I dont know if the pictures do this justice, but it cleared up alot on the second time.

One thing I was wondering is if you filter when the mixture is real hot/ warm will that affect the filtration?

I will post pictures in a moment/ computer issues now

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here is the picture

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IKIMURA
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OK any idea why the picture will not work?

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Without looking at any picture, I can say without 99.99% confidence that your next injection should drop down significantly on the pain scale. If you can actually see the cloudiness in the gear, it is almost guaranteed to cause pain.

Glad we could get to the bottom of this! Please update us and let us know how it feels the day after injecting it.

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IKIMURA wrote:
I used a 3cc syringe instead of a 10CC both times. It want alot faster. Maybe too fast,


Aside from plain old efficiency and the "I don't have to do near as much" factor, this is one of the main reasons I switched to bottle-top filters, and will now only use syringe filters in an emergency. There are just too many instances of filters rupturing, and they rupture too easily. With a bottle-top, you have more control over this, and can afford to be more patient.

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IKIMURA
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Another try

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Nice job, Cortes. I can't believe you helped someone, you usually just yell at them because you're jealous of them...

; )

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Cortes
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I know, the steroid forum is a such a shark tank, it's a wonder any of us ever get around to giving any real advice around here, right? ;)

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Cortes do you think the gear was crashing in the muscle? I don't think the filtering could fix that though. Or was the cloudiness due to contamination? In your opinion.

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dirty empty vial-filtered once vial-filtered twice vial

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I am interested how this bottle filtration works. Do you just pour the product in and it filters on its own like a coffee maker filter? What brand and were do you get these? You have been a live saver Cortes because no pian today like I have been experiencing. It still aches for the first hour after a shot. But I did squats today with no problems whatso ever. I need to refilter the rest of my stuff The picture really does not show how dirty the empty vial is.

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IKIMURA wrote:
I am interested how this bottle filtration works. Do you just pour the product in and it filters on its own like a coffee maker filter? What brand and were do you get these?


I am curious, as well. I see whatman makes a 'bottle top filter' but still can't figure out how it works. haha

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BONEZ217 wrote:
Cortes do you think the gear was crashing in the muscle? I don't think the filtering could fix that though. Or was the cloudiness due to contamination? In your opinion.


My guess is that it's contamination. Look at that yucky looking vial and cloudy gear next to the fine specimen on the right. Crazy, eh?

I agree with you. The gear should go into solution and stay without any filtration whatsoever. The sole purpose of filtration is to remove pathogens and other bad critters and dirty stuff from your oil before injecting it deep within your muscle. Looking at that gear, I'm actually surprised that you were at a 5 and not an 8 or 9, Ikimura. Damn.

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So the bottle-top filter units are terrific. They're kind of like flying first class after having spent your life flying coach: you'll find yourself completely spoiled and loathe to ever, ever return to those "times best forgotten." ;)

They are pretty simple. There is a top container unit and a bottom container unit, both sterile and separated by a filter which is attached to the top unit. The top unit is screwed into the bottom unit. When you are done with it, you will unscrew the top and throw it away, and either put a sterile cap (included) on the bottom unit or move directly to transferring your product to vials.

The filtration is achieved by the use of a vacuum pump. I actually use a hand pump for draining break lines on an automobile. It doesn't matter, so long as it has a pressure gauge and a tube that will fit your filter and your pump (where ever you buy your filter units will also sell these pumps). You use more or less pressure depending upon the size of your vessel and the diameter of your filter. This is just something you have to work out with trial and error, but it doesn't take much more than a few lbs. of pressure, and you don't want too much because you'll either crack your vessel or tear your filter (both of which I've done enough times to be careful not to do it anymore!).

Then the fun part begins. Where your buddy is breaking his thumb in half making a huge mess with his inefficient, sloppy, frustrating syringe filters, you pump your hand pump about 5 times and then go read T-Nation or watch TV or have sex with your wife or any number of pleasurable activities while the vacuum does its work automatically for you! Sure, you have to go check on it every now and again, and give it a few pumps to re-establish pressure, but anyone who has done any significant amount of syringe filtration and has not yet used these probably just stopped to wipe the drool off his keyboard.

To repeat:

Pour oil in top of filter unit and put on the lid
Attach hand pump and pump about 5 times
Go do something else
Come back and check every 15 to 20 minutes, giving it a few pumps at those times.
Et voila!

That really is it.

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Would this be advisable for small amounts like 10 grams at a time? It seems easy enough and the units are only $8-10. I should redo some of my stuff but they are small amounts. By the way thanks Cortes you didnt even tear into me, sometimes I miss the a$$ reamings I took from Brook. Were has he been?

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IKIMURA wrote:
Would this be advisable for small amounts like 10 grams at a time? It seems easy enough and the units are only $8-10. I should redo some of my stuff but they are small amounts. By the way thanks Cortes you didnt even tear into me, sometimes I miss the a$$ reamings I took from Brook. Were has he been?


You mean 10g of actual powder? Like 100ml of prop? Yes, this would be a reasonable amount. I've found that a given filter can run at least 150, almost always 200ml of oil. I've talked with a few friends, one of whom has run as much as 330ml through a 90mm diameter filter. The smaller your filter diameter, obviously, the less product you are eventually going to be able to get through it, but I don't feel it is really a 1:1 ratio, so much. I feel like I can get nearly as much through a 50mm diameter neck bottle top as I can a 90mm diameter neck one, it just takes a bit longer.

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Yes like 10grams actual powder like 100ml of prop. How much do you loose with a bottle filter setup? I don't really care because I am tired of the inj pain. I am going to get some antibiotics going in a few days if the leg pain doesnt go away. I am just curious on how much product is lost.

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I used to make a big mess with syringe filters. I can't imagine any more product is lost with a bottle top unit than with a multitude of syringe filters. Probably less, provided you don't screw up, but then, the cool thing with bottle tops is, even if you say, tear through a filter with too much pressure, you can just pour everything into a new filter (provided you bought more than one, which you should have!).

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