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mmagr
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hello

i haved experience with 2 cycles until now the first was test prop/anavar/20 days halotestin/ 10 days before fight 4 iu gh and the second was with masteron/winstrol/halotestin 20 days before fight


now i am in the week no4 of a new cycle :

week 1-12 * test propionate 50mg eod

week 1-12 * npp 50 mg eod

week 1-12 arimidex 1/2 eod

week 3-12 50 mg proviron

pct (3 days after last prop : nolva/clomid, 20/20/20/20/10 - 100/50/50/50

my goals is to be stronger with more stamina for my upcoming fights.
i am 30 years old, 67 kg pro fighter.

id like to stack in my current cycle the steroid equipose because i hear many good thinks about it especially for fighters.

my problem is that i cant find in my country eq propionate but only boldenone undecylenate and i am afraid if this ester makes weight on me.
i dont want to change weight class..
i can stack eq at 200 mg/ week or not?
any advises?
i was thinkig maybe to stack also low dossage anavar or winny to control the weight as much i can!

thank u

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It seems to me the test is way too low. Also, including your cycle legth, programmed PCT and previous cycles would be helpful.

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i edit my post man thanks.

test is low because i want power and stamina without bloating and more weight!
my first cycle was with test 100 mg eod and was very bad experience in stamina until i put the dosed to 3*50 mg/ week and the problem fixed ;))

i recearh the net and many fighters and endurance athletics keep also test in very low doses.


1) test is not the problem for me but i am wondering about eq!
any advises?

2) test prop and npp is good for 12 weeks or not?
(many athletics use test enanthete for 12 weeks)

3) the pct plan is good?


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175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!

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VTBalla34 wrote:
175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!


ok i dont have idea :P
the man on this article has???

http://www.T-Nation.com/...ed_martial_arts

check the doses and tell me, u are a fighter? :)


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mmagr wrote:

ok i dont have idea :P
the man on this article has???

http://www.T-Nation.com/...ed_martial_arts

check the doses and tell me, u are a fighter? :)




Ok, keep shutting yourself down with the exact same amount of test your body naturally produces. You da man bro

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vtballa34 understant that bodybuilding is diffrent than a fighting sport.

can someone tell me please about eq and the other questions?

thanks

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He is running NPP and proviron, so the test is basically acting as a replacement base and providing for aromitase activity... I know nothing about cycles for fighters.

mmagr, don't add EQ, especially 4 weeks into a cycle. EQ is generally run for at least 16 weeks. You will be coming off the other drugs just as the EQ is really kicking in.

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hockeysledder wrote:
He is running NPP and proviron, so the test is basically acting as a replacement base and providing for aromitase activity... I know nothing about cycles for fighters.

mmagr, don't add EQ, especially 4 weeks into a cycle. EQ is generally run for at least 16 weeks. You will be coming off the other drugs just as the EQ is really kicking in.



yes i know and i am thinking maybe start it now and after 8 weeks drop npp and anavar and stay only with eq and test until june.

i have another fight also at 24/6

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VTBalla34 wrote:
175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!




I think for sports performance, and in combination with other compounds, it's actually a really good approach. He needs a test base, but he doesn't want to gain weight.

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fighter schmighter.

shutting down your natural test for no gains is retarded. Also, why ask for advice on how to cycle when you're already 4 weeks in? Also retarded.

My verdict = retarded.

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nickels wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!




I think for sports performance, and in combination with other compounds, it's actually a really good approach. He needs a test base, but he doesn't want to gain weight.


The weight gain is all a function of the diet. AAS doesn't magically create weight out of thin air. If you are timing your macros correctly and adjusting as necessary, it is very possible to stay at the SAME weight (or even lose) whilst taking AAS.

If you want to be better at anything, sports related, get stronger. But this guy has already discredited my opinion so it's whatever...he will probably never be all that good at what he does anyway.

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rds63799 wrote:
fighter schmighter.

shutting down your natural test for no gains is retarded. Also, why ask for advice on how to cycle when you're already 4 weeks in? Also retarded.

My verdict = retarded.


Yup

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rds63799 wrote:
fighter schmighter.

shutting down your natural test for no gains is retarded. Also, why ask for advice on how to cycle when you're already 4 weeks in? Also retarded.

My verdict = retarded.



the question was about adding eq on the cycle and also about pct AFTER the cycle

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VTBalla34 wrote:
nickels wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!




I think for sports performance, and in combination with other compounds, it's actually a really good approach. He needs a test base, but he doesn't want to gain weight.


The weight gain is all a function of the diet. AAS doesn't magically create weight out of thin air. If you are timing your macros correctly and adjusting as necessary, it is very possible to stay at the SAME weight (or even lose) whilst taking AAS.

If you want to be better at anything, sports related, get stronger. But this guy has already discredited my opinion so it's whatever...he will probably never be all that good at what he does anyway.



u have wrong...
some steroids gives u water retention..
u dont have idea about sports man..its diffrend from weights keep it mind

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sorry for the off topics..

because i take 2 kg of weight (mucchle and definitely water) i choose winstrol at 30 mg/day for 8 weeks.
i thinks is better choice than eq to control my weight this time.

if someone can give me a help about the doses and the pcta after my cycle i will appreciate it, thanks..

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mmagr wrote:
rds63799 wrote:
fighter schmighter.

shutting down your natural test for no gains is retarded. Also, why ask for advice on how to cycle when you're already 4 weeks in? Also retarded.

My verdict = retarded.



the question was about adding eq on the cycle and also about pct AFTER the cycle


yes, I know. It was about adding EQ on the cycle you are already 4 weeks in, which is, as I mentioned already, retarded.

But whatever, I'm done. Enjoy your weaksauce cycle

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mmagr wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
nickels wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
175 mg/week of Test is mind numbingly retarded. This is BARELY over what your body makes naturally. You have no idea what you are doing and should probably not be taking steroids until you learn more about them and the HPTA. You certainly don't need to be throwing in other compounds--you have no idea how to use the one you're on!!!




I think for sports performance, and in combination with other compounds, it's actually a really good approach. He needs a test base, but he doesn't want to gain weight.


The weight gain is all a function of the diet. AAS doesn't magically create weight out of thin air. If you are timing your macros correctly and adjusting as necessary, it is very possible to stay at the SAME weight (or even lose) whilst taking AAS.

If you want to be better at anything, sports related, get stronger. But this guy has already discredited my opinion so it's whatever...he will probably never be all that good at what he does anyway.



u have wrong...
some steroids gives u water retention..
u dont have idea about sports man..its diffrend from weights keep it mind



Yeah, even when I was just doing basically a trt dose (roughly 175 mg test / 75 mg mast per week), I gained some weight.

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I don't know why I felt compelled to join this web site just to reply to a 5 month old thread but everytime I google something I've been researching this thing pops up and it aggravates me, probably because I know where the OP is coming from being a combat athlete myself and being in the same place looking for info on the subject of anabolics about 4 years ago and I was also given the same bullshit advice.

First of all, to the guy that states that using 175 mg of test a week is mind numbingly retarded because you're barely putting in more test than your body makes naturally and then goes on to chastise the guy telling him he has no business even using anabolics you should probably get your facts straight before you come on so strong-High end test production for a young male is around 7mg a day which comes to 49 mg a week, and while I'm no math expert that means 175 mg is about 3 and a half times what the body makes naturally.

Also, bear in mind that 7 mg is on the high end and I'd venture that most guys in their early 30's are probably at around 2/3rds of that if they are lucky. So get your shit together if you want the right to condescend to people like a douchebag. Second, my first cycle was the standard 500mg of test e and I blew up like a balloon even though my diet stayed consistent-by week 5 of the cycle I had gained 13 lbs and I doubt even half of it was muscle based on the moon face and pudgy fingers I was rocking-and while I was getting stronger and I had that grab the world by the balls mentality test often gives you my endurance went to shit probably because the excess water fucks up blood pressure.

I added .5 mg of adex EOD to combat this and while it knocked off some of the water weight it also made me feel lethargic and weak all the time. All this information that gets passed around as Bible, mostly by Bodybuilders who think doing 15 reps on a peck deck requires great athleticism and endurance needs to be rethought for guys who come on looking to use anabolics for sport. I won't bore you with all the cycles I've experimented with since then but I've found staying in the range of 400-700 total milligrams of gear is about right for guys who want to stay in the same weight class yet still improve performance.

As to compounds test is good if kept to a low dose-about 175 mg of prop or 200-250 mg of enanthate or cyp. Equipoise is way overrated in my experience as to endurance benefits-all steroids increase RBC so eq definitely doesn't have a monopoly here and being it's got that long ester attached it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for guys who only cycle while in training camp for 6-8 weeks. Also, it's a wet steroid too so if you're already using test you shouldn't add something else that aromatizes Tren is terrible for endurance and even if it wasn't I wouldn't use it or Deca because I don't like playing Russian Roullete with my penis.

For the guys that swear they need Deca for their joints go ahead I guess but I'd rather just use some chondroitan. Winny can work well if you're lucky enough to not have your joints fucked up by it-Personally I'm not so I don't use it. Anavar and Tbol-great for performance enhancement while maintaining size. You may end up getting bad pumps from them though which is not a good thing for a fighter so you may have to play with the dosages-they both need some androgen with them though so you'll have to add some test, proviron, or masteron for energy and libido. I've actually found masteron to be a great compound for gaining stength without much size.

Don't let anyone sell you on the bullshit that it's only a finishing drug to be run at low bodyfat-it's a very strong androgen. That's about all I have to offer and I only went out of my way to post this because I read the same information everywhere and it's always the same redundant shit that bodybuilders and powerlifters do and that would be fine if people didn't respond to well-meaning questions like jerkoffs to try to exert some imagined superiority over the guy asking for help instead of just saying "I'm not a muay thai fighter so I'm really not sure what would be best for you."

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glad you could get that off your chest

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OP, since you are 4 weeks in already just finish the cycle you planned and learn from your mistakes on the next one. For the next cycle I would go with 350-400mgs of test minimum and EQ, which will increase you RBC's and your endurance. NPP can make you short of breath so I wouldnt advise. I would do .25 EOD of adex.

I know that you think there is a difference in a cycle for MMA and for bodybuilding. But VTBalla is correct, in order to get anything out of your cycle you need more test and that is whether you are MMA fighting, body building, or water polo. You need a minimum dose for results period. When you have a headache you dont take half an ibuprofin, most people take 2-4 pills.

Why dont they take half a pill? Because half a pill probably wont get rid of your headache and 175mg's of test EW probably wont get you the results you are looking for either.

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TonyRuggiero wrote:

...you should probably get your facts straight before you come on so strong-High end test production for a young male is around 7mg a day which comes to 49 mg a week,



LOL I can point you to literally hundreds of case threads with young men on TRT taking between 100-200 mg/week of testosterone with bloodwork showing that they are within the ranges established by the blood testing companies.

Now why do you think that is Antonio? Could it possibly be because 100-200 mg/week approximates what the body makes naturally?

You don't sound very smart and rely more on emotion than logic, as evidenced by your long winded diatribe, but I will point out that it is not just a simple perfect machine where what you put in is what you get out. Injected testosterone is stored in a depot and is not released as cleanly as you imagine it to be at "5-7 mg/day".

Moving on:



and while I'm no math expert that means 175 mg is about 3 and a half times what the body makes naturally.



Wrong...nope...thanks for playing.

You are conveniently ignoring things like the ester weight of the test (approximately 25%). I say "conveniently ignoring" but you sound pretty uneducated, so I doubt you are ignoring it and are just simply ignorant to the fact that for every 100 mg of test prop you inject, you are only getting 75 mg of actual test.

If you went down to the market to buy a bag of apples, and the guy filled the bottom third of the bag with dirt and the top of the bag with apples, would you go ask for your money back?

Are you still with me? I hope I haven't lost you.

A good question though is why do you spend so much time googling this? LOL




Also, bear in mind that 7 mg is on the high end and I'd venture that most guys in their early 30's are probably at around 2/3rds of that if they are lucky.


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VTBalla34 wrote:
TonyRuggiero wrote:

...you should probably get your facts straight before you come on so strong-High end test production for a young male is around 7mg a day which comes to 49 mg a week,



LOL I can point you to literally hundreds of case threads with young men on TRT taking between 100-200 mg/week of testosterone with bloodwork showing that they are within the ranges established by the blood testing companies.

Now why do you think that is Antonio? Could it possibly be because 100-200 mg/week approximates what the body makes naturally?

You don't sound very smart and rely more on emotion than logic, as evidenced by your long winded diatribe, but I will point out that it is not just a simple perfect machine where what you put in is what you get out. Injected testosterone is stored in a depot and is not released as cleanly as you imagine it to be at "5-7 mg/day".

Moving on:



and while I'm no math expert that means 175 mg is about 3 and a half times what the body makes naturally.



Wrong...nope...thanks for playing.

You are conveniently ignoring things like the ester weight of the test (approximately 25%). I say "conveniently ignoring" but you sound pretty uneducated, so I doubt you are ignoring it and are just simply ignorant to the fact that for every 100 mg of test prop you inject, you are only getting 75 mg of actual test.

If you went down to the market to buy a bag of apples, and the guy filled the bottom third of the bag with dirt and the top of the bag with apples, would you go ask for your money back?

Are you still with me? I hope I haven't lost you.

A good question though is why do you spend so much time googling this? LOL




Also, bear in mind that 7 mg is on the high end and I'd venture that most guys in their early 30's are probably at around 2/3rds of that if they are lucky.


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I waiting for that haha good shit balla

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rds63799 wrote:
glad you could get that off your chest

there has been lot of that on the steroid forum lately....im considering making a "let it all out thread" where you can be as much of an asshole or as emotional as you want but you only get one post

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it's weird eh? Imagine researching something on the internet, coming across an old, long dead thread and reading it pisses you off so much you think "You know what? I'm going to make an account and post a really long and emotional response. I don't care if they flame me, I simply CANNOT let this slide!"

people are weird

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