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kaymilk12
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Hey all, this thread is for those of you planning to run a cycle similar to me and also I'll help you with any questions you have as best as I can. I did 25 days at 40mg ED and 6 days at 60mg ED (Still have about 10 more days @ 60mg ED left).

Training- 5 day split with 15 minutes cardio pre and 15 minutes cardio post workout ( abs 2 or three times a week )
mon- chest, tue- legs, wed- shoulders, thurs- triceps, fri- bi's & back

Diet- semi low carb with 0 carbs after 6pm, high protein, BCAA's, Creatine mono, multi-vi, omega3's

Results- So far I've dropped a bit of fat, maybe a pound or two but I am currently at 181 lbs and I started at 171 lbs so that is a 10 pound increase and maybe dropped a pound of fat. Strength has gone through the roof, not so much in chest but everything else is mega strong.

* at the rate I am going I believe I am going to end this cycle at 185 ~ 187 pounds

I'll report back when I finish my cycle, thank you for reading
sincerely, kay

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Hi im 23 years old and I am currently 1 week into my first aas which is anavar only.
(please don't say dont do orals alone or add some test, I've heard it a lot and its not what i am looking for)

My stats are:
age- 23
weight- right now 177, started at 171 (Wow?)
Bodyfat- 14%-13% I can see my abs if I pull a bit of flab down
three years training [started from an extremely obese body]

My current dose is 40mg/s a day

Alright guys so heres the deal, Im currently taking creatine mono 2x a day (pre and post workout), multivitamins, omega 3's, flax seed oil, BCAA, and a crap load of protein daily.

I am dividing my anavar dose into 15mgs AM (6:30am), 15mgs around 3pm, and 10mgs before bed

My question is, has anyone seen any results like these so quickly with anavar alone? I feel more strength, not that much, but I know that something is there, also I get pumped doing anything, for ex. today I did 4 pullups in my house just for the heck of it and got some sick arm pumps. Ive put on 6 lbs so far in exactly 1 week, and I highly doubt it is the creatine because I dont feel bloated and I feel my muscles way harder than before. I also did put these 6 pounds in a moderate - to low carb diet. WTF? This thing is sick...

So my main question is- has anyone ever experienced or heard of anavar having such a strong effect? What can I do to enrich my diet? (I eat 7 meals a day 2-3hrs apart and about 2 maybe three shakes too, clean calories) What can I do to make recovery faster post cycle?

Thanks, cant wait to see how this goes ;)
oh and for PCT I am planning Nolva for 20mgs ED for two weeks, that seems to be the general consensus for light dose anavar, however, i am all ears, thank you

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TheBigV
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I love logs, especially when they aren't simply a test cycle. Anything out of the ordinary to report?

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well, as to side effects.. not really, at the beginning i noticed some testicular atrophy but it went away without the use of HCG, someone mentioned in another post that it was psychological testicular atrophy. Other than that, I guess I have gotten out of the ordinary strength gains :p mostly in my legs. I am also way more vascular than before, bodyfat has dropped a bit and increased muscle mass, so so far everything is good

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Hey bro, I'm a first time aas user too and started a anavar only cycle about 2 weeks ago. I am very interested in your results and comparing to mine. I am doing 25mg ed for 7 weeks. Not looking for size, just to get ripped and stronger. Please keep your updates coming and pm me with any questions.

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Hey tbaggs, good luck with your cycle, i'll post up as soon as I see anything.. Im sure you will enjoy your cycle, anyhow, hows it going? By week two I could definitely feel something was going on

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kaymilk12 wrote:
Hey tbaggs, good luck with your cycle, i'll post up as soon as I see anything.. Im sure you will enjoy your cycle, anyhow, hows it going? By week two I could definitely feel something was going on



I'm pretty sure he wont

There are female bodybuilders running higher doses than that. 60mg/d minimum with var cycles and you still wont put much mass on.

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BONEZ217
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A log is nothing without before and afters, btw.

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kaymilk12
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I have some befores, ill post them when my cycle ends along with my after. As for the dosage, I have to agree that at 25mg ED he wont notice much, if anything. However, I had tremendous results with 40mg ED, bumped it up to 60mg ED because a friend of mine stopped a cycle dead turkey and gave me his anavar :D

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How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway

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7lucky7 wrote:
How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway


How could he possibly know this? You might as well ask a fat man what made him fat... was it the cake or the ice cream?

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7lucky7 wrote:
How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway


To be honest, the way I am eating I would of cut down a pound maybe two in net weight, or maybe stayed the same not sure (semi~low carb).

However, of course the "i'm on roids mentality" made me train like a mofo always pushing myself harder with heavier weights and extra reps.

Maybe the creatine attributed to some of the weight gain since I haven't been on for like 6 months and some of it could of been water weight.

Anavar is the shnitz

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TheBigV wrote:
7lucky7 wrote:
How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway


How could he possibly know this? You might as well ask a fat man what made him fat... was it the cake or the ice cream?


Well if he was self-aware to a high degree then he would notice if he had been consistently more dedicated in the gym and the kitchen.

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TheBigV wrote:
7lucky7 wrote:
How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway


How could he possibly know this? You might as well ask a fat man what made him fat... was it the cake or the ice cream?



Because he could have trained and eaten at similar intensities before and also gained weight, just without the var. Like he said, his diet hasn't changed that much, so likely he thinks its mostly down to harder training and the var, largely eliminating diet from the equation. Tho the latest revelation that you're on creatine makes me think a few lbs are definately water weight. Its not exactly a controlled test, but his past experiences mean he may be able to guage how much of an effect he thinks each change has been, if in fact there has been a change in his diet, training, or var intake.

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7lucky7 wrote:
TheBigV wrote:
7lucky7 wrote:
How much of it do you attribute to the var, and how much to the "i'm on roids now, i must train harder and eat more", which to someone starting at 171lbs (assuming average height) would probably put weight on them bones anyway


How could he possibly know this? You might as well ask a fat man what made him fat... was it the cake or the ice cream?



Because he could have trained and eaten at similar intensities before and also gained weight, just without the var. Like he said, his diet hasn't changed that much, so likely he thinks its mostly down to harder training and the var, largely eliminating diet from the equation. Tho the latest revelation that you're on creatine makes me think a few lbs are definately water weight. Its not exactly a controlled test, but his past experiences mean he may be able to guage how much of an effect he thinks each change has been, if in fact there has been a change in his diet, training, or var intake.


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing ( some water weight ), but not that much since I feel leaner to some degree, and way harder / bigger

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I will post pics too K if you don't mind when im done. I know 25mg is not much, but it is working as I am much harder and a little stronger. I'm not looking for size, just help in getting cut. I may go up to 30-35mg ed next week but am doing well. I realize that if your uneasy about AAS use your not ready for it. I wanted the safest roid at the minimum dose for my first time as training naturally has got me no where but platuea city. You will see from my before and after pics a nice change. Did I gain 15LBS and become a monster, NO! Did I gain 5 and get more cut, absolutely. I'm really enjoying it regardless and may try Test at some point in the future.

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I'm looking forward to reading more from both of you, Kaymilk and Tbaggs. Hope you get good results.

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thanks man, tbaggs, im glad your getting the results you want

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ordered some var last week for first time, any thoughts on PCT? would clomid do the job or is novaldex better?

and i did read that it actually makes you shrink at high dosage (over 40, i think it was steroidprofiles), is HCG necessary? what the best thing to do (looking to build up to 60ED)? how many weeks is the best?

also really looking forward to those before shots!

also is it a good idea to use creatine? whats the point of all that water weight?

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Keep me posted guys. I'm expected to start a var only cycle in a couple of days (if the source works out).

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It is vital to use creatine while on anavar because oxandrolone increases creatine synthesis dramatically, I think Nolvadex is better for PCT, a 40/40/20/20 PCT of nolva should suffice, any vet wanna chime in as to PCT?

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kaymilk12 wrote:
It is vital to use creatine while on anavar because oxandrolone increases creatine synthesis dramatically, I think Nolvadex is better for PCT, a 40/40/20/20 PCT of nolva should suffice, any vet wanna chime in as to PCT?



Proof?

Got a link to a study for that? Curious

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Couple days into week 3 and noticing a few changes to report. Bench was 225 for 2-3 reps, yesterday 8 reps. Dumbell curls with 35's, now 45's. Pull ups was 8, now 12. Seeing veins I never knew I had... And overall much harder. I'm not using creatine but bought some yesterday, ethl ester, as kaymilk said it would be great. Will report again soon and post before and afters upon completion.

I have read on many sites and talked to many vets about 25mg var ed cycle and most said waste of time and money. All I can say to that is check out my before and after pics and reconsider this opinion. Not saying you will see them and say, this guy got huge, but I promise you will see where I'm coming from.... Thanks for the support guys, I love that this site has cool people unlike many others...

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kaymilk12 wrote:
It is vital to use creatine while on anavar because oxandrolone increases creatine synthesis dramatically, I think Nolvadex is better for PCT, a 40/40/20/20 PCT of nolva should suffice, any vet wanna chime in as to PCT?


If anavar dramatically increases creatine synthesis, then less supplemental intake would be required, no?

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BONEZ217 wrote:
kaymilk12 wrote:
It is vital to use creatine while on anavar because oxandrolone increases creatine synthesis dramatically, I think Nolvadex is better for PCT, a 40/40/20/20 PCT of nolva should suffice, any vet wanna chime in as to PCT?



Proof?

Got a link to a study for that? Curious


No sorry, I forgot where it was that I read it but I think it was an article on EF when I was first researching about Anavar. I have read it in a couple of sites though, I'll try to find a link, will report back then.

Kay

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On a side note, I have lost much of my "vascularity" because the last 10 days I have been eating an excess surplus of Carbs and also derailed from my strict diet (business trip) =(]. However, yesterday I weighed in at 187 at an empty stomach. Dayumn ;) [I am still at a lower body fat than which I started at 16+ pounds]

So far my lifts have gone up like this-


leg press - Up 90 and an extra 8 reps to my previous PR

Squats- Up 50 for 8 extra reps from my previous PR

DB curls- started at maxing 12 reps (24) with 30's [2 reps with 40], yesterday did 12 (24) with 40's felt like I could do more though

Pull-ups- went from 8 to 15 (*note I am also heavier)

EZ Barbell Curls- Before I couldn't do more than 2 reps with 90 pound BB, now I can do 15.. Can't try heavier weights because unfortunately thats as far as my gym goes.

Lifts have gone up in all other areas, these are just to name a few.

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