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humble
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It's Dana e thinks. He didn't like Diaz slagging the results and offending the UFC by non appearance after the fight. Sounds too suss to just come up now, most likely because Nick has one more fight on his contract and doesn't want to honor it.
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Rodimus Black
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While it is prescribed to him, he was told, and guaranteed, that he would lay off of the drug prior to his fights. Obviously, he didn't do that. So much for his rematch. Idiot.
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Sentoguy
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Obviously Diaz has no respect for anyone. He must have made a conscious choice NOT to learn from his first suspension and to continue violating the UFC's drug use policy. I mean, Marijuana is out of your system in 30 days, so all he has to do is lay off it for maybe a 2-3 months out of his training year and he'd be fine. Heck, there are even plenty of drug masking/cleansing solutions that he could have easily purchased at his local supplement store or online that would have made him pass his test.
IMO people can make mistakes, but this was not a mistake. This was Diaz demonstrating his lack of professionalism, respect for the UFC organization (and fanbase, and instructor), discipline, and he deserves the 1 year suspension. And honestly, if the UFC eventually decides to not honor his last fight and let him go, I think they'd be justified in doing so.
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devildog_jim
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For all the non-US residents out there, a "medical marijuana" card is a crock of shit. All marijuana is still illegal under federal law, everywhere in the US. If Diaz didn't know it before his first suspension, he certainly knew it after. I'd have banned him for it, I have no patience or tolerance for repeat offenders who can't obey NSAC orders.
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WhiteFlash
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Sentoguy wrote:
Obviously Diaz has no respect for anyone. He must have made a conscious choice NOT to learn from his first suspension and to continue violating the UFC's drug use policy. I mean, Marijuana is out of your system in 30 days, so all he has to do is lay off it for maybe a 2-3 months out of his training year and he'd be fine. Heck, there are even plenty of drug masking/cleansing solutions that he could have easily purchased at his local supplement store or online that would have made him pass his test.
IMO people can make mistakes, but this was not a mistake. This was Diaz demonstrating his lack of professionalism, respect for the UFC organization (and fanbase, and instructor), discipline, and he deserves the 1 year suspension. And honestly, if the UFC eventually decides to not honor his last fight and let him go, I think they'd be justified in doing so.
Actually, depending on how much you normally smoke, your bf %, your personal tolerance and a few other things, weed can be out of your system in a little over a week. That shows me that that fool smokes everyday with no regard to his employers rules and regulations. He earned this one.
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Spartiates
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devildog_jim wrote:
For all the non-US residents out there, a "medical marijuana" card is a crock of shit. All marijuana is still illegal under federal law, everywhere in the US. If Diaz didn't know it before his first suspension, he certainly knew it after. I'd have banned him for it, I have no patience or tolerance for repeat offenders who can't obey NSAC orders.
Federal law is irrelevant, and not related to the sports commissions, who's job is not to enforce federal law.
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Good lord MMA fans are the dumbest uneducated people ever if they voted for Diaz to win that fight. Probably the likes of some fo the retards they show at the fight all painted up sloshing beer everywhere and screaming like morons. Reminds me of a guy I fought many times in High School, I would hit him and he would go stone cold to the floor and after he got up a few seconds later he would say....shooot man that didn't even hurt. He never lost a fight in his own mind.
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SKman
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Does anyone know what Diaz has a medical marijuana prescription for? I thought that was only for glaucoma or something.
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devildog_jim
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Spartiates wrote:
devildog_jim wrote:
For all the non-US residents out there, a "medical marijuana" card is a crock of shit. All marijuana is still illegal under federal law, everywhere in the US. If Diaz didn't know it before his first suspension, he certainly knew it after. I'd have banned him for it, I have no patience or tolerance for repeat offenders who can't obey NSAC orders.
Federal law is irrelevant, and not related to the sports commissions, who's job is not to enforce federal law.
It's not irrelevant, it is impossible to get marijuana without breaking the law. It's not like he went down to the corner store and bought over the counter cough syrup, only to later find out that one of the ingredients made him pop on a drug test. It's an illegal substance that you have to go out of your way and break the law to get. It's not NSAC's job to enforce federal law, but I would certainly consider magnifying the offense when one has to commit a federal felony to get it into one's system. And if he waved his bullshit "prescription" at me, and I was on the NSAC, I'd shove that card up his ass while making sure he didn't come within 10 miles of a sanctioned fight for the rest of his life.
Edit to add: Look, I don't care what people put into their bodies, but I was a fed. I enforced this law, and I'm sick of people pretending that marijuana isn't against the law. It is, it's serious, and if you are a fighter and are a or consort with federal felons (and if you have marijuana, you are one and you do), it's the athletic commission's business. I'm also of the opinion that you get only one second chance, and that he blew his. Fuck it, he doesn't want to learn? Burn him, make an example.
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rundymc
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Ranzo wrote:
Good lord MMA fans are the dumbest uneducated people ever if they voted for Diaz to win that fight. Probably the likes of some fo the retards they show at the fight all painted up sloshing beer everywhere and screaming like morons. Reminds me of a guy I fought many times in High School, I would hit him and he would go stone cold to the floor and after he got up a few seconds later he would say....shooot man that didn't even hurt. He never lost a fight in his own mind.
I wouldn't go that far.
A good number of fighters came out on twitter and said they thought Diaz won 1,2 and 5. Rogan rewatched it and said he thought the same. Those three rounds were close.
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Robert A
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rundymc wrote:
Ranzo wrote:
Good lord MMA fans are the dumbest uneducated people ever if they voted for Diaz to win that fight. Probably the likes of some fo the retards they show at the fight all painted up sloshing beer everywhere and screaming like morons. Reminds me of a guy I fought many times in High School, I would hit him and he would go stone cold to the floor and after he got up a few seconds later he would say....shooot man that didn't even hurt. He never lost a fight in his own mind.
I wouldn't go that far.
A good number of fighters came out on twitter and said they thought Diaz won 1,2 and 5. Rogan rewatched it and said he thought the same. Those three rounds were close.
I posted the same above, and I know me. I am a dumbass. So, Ranzo may have a point.
Regardless,
Robert A
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Hahah, touche. Judging from my post progression on this thread, and the fact that I too had 1, 2, and 5 for Diaz, I'm going to have to agree with ya.
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Ranzo
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LOL I Just don't see Diaz as the winner especially after the fight and his eye is all swollen shut and face beat about screaming he won and Condit still looked pretty good. We have all seen Silva knock people out while running backwards does that mean he still lost??
As far as the Marijuana thing......yeah its considered illegal by the federal govt. but California has legalised it for medical use and people do buy it over the counter at the local drug store everyday.
That being said I still think he should be punished for using it in the UFC especially since he was warned once before.
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Sentoguy
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devildog_jim wrote:
Spartiates wrote:
devildog_jim wrote:
For all the non-US residents out there, a "medical marijuana" card is a crock of shit. All marijuana is still illegal under federal law, everywhere in the US. If Diaz didn't know it before his first suspension, he certainly knew it after. I'd have banned him for it, I have no patience or tolerance for repeat offenders who can't obey NSAC orders.
Federal law is irrelevant, and not related to the sports commissions, who's job is not to enforce federal law.
It's not irrelevant, it is impossible to get marijuana without breaking the law. It's not like he went down to the corner store and bought over the counter cough syrup, only to later find out that one of the ingredients made him pop on a drug test. It's an illegal substance that you have to go out of your way and break the law to get. It's not NSAC's job to enforce federal law, but I would certainly consider magnifying the offense when one has to commit a federal felony to get it into one's system. And if he waved his bullshit "prescription" at me, and I was on the NSAC, I'd shove that card up his ass while making sure he didn't come within 10 miles of a sanctioned fight for the rest of his life.
Edit to add: Look, I don't care what people put into their bodies, but I was a fed. I enforced this law, and I'm sick of people pretending that marijuana isn't against the law. It is, it's serious, and if you are a fighter and are a or consort with federal felons (and if you have marijuana, you are one and you do), it's the athletic commission's business. I'm also of the opinion that you get only one second chance, and that he blew his. Fuck it, he doesn't want to learn? Burn him, make an example.
The thing is that, even if Nick made the argument that his state had legalized Marijuana for medical purposes (which it has, though technically that does not supersede the federal legality of the drug), Nevada has not, and he was fighting in Nevada. So why on earth would he think that the NSAC would honor or recognize his "right" to use the drug for medicinal uses?
Perhaps if he was fighting in California or another state where medical marijuana had been legalized (on the state level) he might have an argument or at least some hope that the state athletic commission would be sympathetic to his condition. But it's not gonna happen in a state where this has not happened.
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Spartiates
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devildog_jim wrote:
Spartiates wrote:
devildog_jim wrote:
For all the non-US residents out there, a "medical marijuana" card is a crock of shit. All marijuana is still illegal under federal law, everywhere in the US. If Diaz didn't know it before his first suspension, he certainly knew it after. I'd have banned him for it, I have no patience or tolerance for repeat offenders who can't obey NSAC orders.
Federal law is irrelevant, and not related to the sports commissions, who's job is not to enforce federal law.
It's not irrelevant, it is impossible to get marijuana without breaking the law. It's not like he went down to the corner store and bought over the counter cough syrup, only to later find out that one of the ingredients made him pop on a drug test. It's an illegal substance that you have to go out of your way and break the law to get. It's not NSAC's job to enforce federal law, but I would certainly consider magnifying the offense when one has to commit a federal felony to get it into one's system. And if he waved his bullshit "prescription" at me, and I was on the NSAC, I'd shove that card up his ass while making sure he didn't come within 10 miles of a sanctioned fight for the rest of his life.
Edit to add: Look, I don't care what people put into their bodies, but I was a fed. I enforced this law, and I'm sick of people pretending that marijuana isn't against the law. It is, it's serious, and if you are a fighter and are a or consort with federal felons (and if you have marijuana, you are one and you do), it's the athletic commission's business. I'm also of the opinion that you get only one second chance, and that he blew his. Fuck it, he doesn't want to learn? Burn him, make an example.
It's completely irrelevant to the sport. The athletic commissions could also insist on searching the athlete's houses for illegal firearms, or insist on searching the fighter's computers for child pornography. It's totally irrelevant to the sport. It's not a performance enhancing drug. It doesn't have the potential to give a fighter an advantage, or injure either fighter.
That said, a contract is a contact, and a banned substance is still a banned substance. I'm not going to defend Diaz. I just think people have a strong right to privacy, and that substances which are irrelevant to the competition, and put nobody involved in the sport in danger, should not be tested for.
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devildog_jim
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Spartiates wrote:
It's completely irrelevant to the sport. The athletic commissions could also insist on searching the athlete's houses for illegal firearms, or insist on searching the fighter's computers for child pornography. It's totally irrelevant to the sport. It's not a performance enhancing drug. It doesn't have the potential to give a fighter an advantage, or injure either fighter.
That said, a contract is a contact, and a banned substance is still a banned substance. I'm not going to defend Diaz. I just think people have a strong right to privacy, and that substances which are irrelevant to the competition, and put nobody involved in the sport in danger, should not be tested for.
The athletic commission is concerned about far more than one fighter getting an advantage. They're also concerned about the legitimacy of fighting in general, including not having it shut down because it's being taken over by organized crime or viewed as a criminal activity. For that reason, MOST of the things they can discipline fighters for do not affect performance. To wit (portions eliminated for clarity):
NAC 467.885 Grounds for disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030) The Commission may suspend or revoke the license of, otherwise discipline or take any combination of such actions against a licensee who has, in the judgment of the Commission:
1. Violated the laws of Nevada, except for minor traffic violations
4. Failed or refused to comply with a valid order of a representative of the Commission;
5. Conducted himself at any time or place in a manner which is deemed by the Commission to reflect discredit to unarmed combat;
6. Knowingly dealt or consorted with any person who:
(a) Has been convicted of a felony;
(d) Is a reputed underworld character;
(f) Is engaged in any activity or practice that is detrimental to the best interests of unarmed combat;
As for privacy, you have a right to all the privacy in the world until you agree to be the public face of an organization. At the point where you take their money you agree to all the conditions they attach to it, and if you want your privacy back you can go be a nobody who works at Home Depot and trains for the love of the sport.
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