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You are silly. Lombard would get tore up worse than Rich Franklin against Silva. Sure Lombard has one or two bombing punches and throws with a lot of aggression early in the fight, which looks good on a highlight reel. But he leaves himself wide open and you can't do that against Silva.



Silly why? You taken his punches? You been in the ring with him? STFU then. Rich Franlin is a fucken chump..... dopey cunt stood their when Silva had his neck... all that fucken wrestling and mooooeeeyyy taaaay and he fucken couldn't get his own neck out. Try that with Lombard and you'll lose your fucken limbs.

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You are silly. Lombard would get tore up worse than Rich Franklin against Silva. Sure Lombard has one or two bombing punches and throws with a lot of aggression early in the fight, which looks good on a highlight reel. But he leaves himself wide open and you can't do that against Silva.



Silly why? You taken his punches? You been in the ring with him? STFU then. Rich Franlin is a fucken chump..... dopey cunt stood their when Silva had his neck... all that fucken wrestling and mooooeeeyyy taaaay and he fucken couldn't get his own neck out. Try that with Lombard and you'll lose your fucken limbs.



Silly because you think all someone needs to beat Silva is a bombing haymaker punch and some ground skills. When it comes to stand up Lombard is a one trick pony with otherwise really poor fundamentals, yet with that one trick you think he's going to take out the best fighter in the world.

Franklin was no punk but Silva destroyed him easily. I chose to compare Lombard to Franklin because he has the same flaws in his fighting. If you watch the guard of either, they have no guard. Their elbows go flying away from their sides continuously instead of keeping them down to protect their body like Silva does or Shlemenko does against Lombard. This is a fundamental I teach to white belts.

Then because they don't have good elbow discipline Lombard and Franklin throw round punches instead of linear or a combination of both. That is why Silva was able to force himself up the center line on Franklin and clinch him. Silva could do the same to Lombard because he leaves himself open to it.

Plus there are all the other openings Lombard gives away. Watch his title match against Shlemenko. After all the fury and aggression of the first round flurry was gone Shlemenko was landing multiple shots almost at will. Lombard doesn't have any defense, he just relies on being diesel to absorb it. Silva is not the man to use that strategy on because he has the skills to land devastating blows with pin point accuracy.

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Hmm..with Lombard's power it's possible. BUT that alone isn't enough against Anderson. After all,Hector has to catch him clean. His short reach for MW...lack of footwork work against him in [that match-up. Lombard would have to really bring some things to the table that I've yet to see in any of his recent fights. *shrug*

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lombard is like old and shit.
he is 34- and on teh roidz brah.

and might not have enough reach for bigger middle weights
o wait bboss said that.
i suck.

and is sifu speaking about MMA- and not saying some win shun dude
would romp them

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i'll take Sonnen if someone gives me odds and that's the only way i'd take him over Silva

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chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.

sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but

A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt


and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me

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lombard is like old and shit.
he is 34- and on teh roidz brah.

and might not have enough reach for bigger middle weights
o wait bboss said that.
i suck.

and is sifu speaking about MMA- and not saying some win shun dude
would romp them


First things first. Please tell me that 012 has some significance that is escaping me at the moment and there aren't eleven more brotards.

Second, I guess someone had to be the official brotard. Welcome Bro.

Third, shouldn't your avatar be wearing a tapout shirt?

On to Lombard. He's an inch shorter that GSP, which should give some idea of why we don't see GSP just popping up to middleweight to give it a try. Being all roided up like that really does take a toll on ones overall abilities even if you do gain in some areas.

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chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.

sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but

A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt


and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me



Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA and the best striking. Lombard would eat a lot of shots trying to get a take down on Silva.

That fight against Shlemenko that I posted went a full five rounds and then it had to go to the cards for a decision. Shlemenko did a decent job but he's no Anderson Silva. Shlemenko is good enough to go the distance against Lombard yet somehow we are supposed to believe that Lombard will destroy someone who is better than Shlemenko, the man who went the distance.

In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.

There are a lot of factors that go into being a fighter. Just because someone is winning fights it doesn't mean they are a good fighter. You can be a lousy fighter but have just one attribute that none of your competition can overcome and you'll be winning.

Quite often when someone has that one killer technique that they are really good at they rely on it at the expense of developing other skills. Which is what Lombard stand up looks like.

When I look at Lombards resume I don't just look at a win and leave it at that. I want to know who he won against and how. Silva has beat much better talent than Lombard and less of his wins have been by decision or stoppage.

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Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.

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Sifu wrote:
westdale warrior wrote:
chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.

sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but

A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt


and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me



Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA and the best striking. Lombard would eat a lot of shots trying to get a take down on Silva.

That fight against Shlemenko that I posted went a full five rounds and then it had to go to the cards for a decision. Shlemenko did a decent job but he's no Anderson Silva. Shlemenko is good enough to go the distance against Lombard yet somehow we are supposed to believe that Lombard will destroy someone who is better than Shlemenko, the man who went the distance.

In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.

There are a lot of factors that go into being a fighter. Just because someone is winning fights it doesn't mean they are a good fighter. You can be a lousy fighter but have just one attribute that none of your competition can overcome and you'll be winning.

Quite often when someone has that one killer technique that they are really good at they rely on it at the expense of developing other skills. Which is what Lombard stand up looks like.

When I look at Lombards resume I don't just look at a win and leave it at that. I want to know who he won against and how. Silva has beat much better talent than Lombard and less of his wins have been by decision or stoppage.


Shlemenko has been KOd ONCE in 55 pro fights. Not a sensational fighter, but definitely an iron chin. Not knocking that guy out can hardly count against Lombard. Also, MMA math don't work. "Silva didn't KO Lee Murray, so clearly, he'd lose to Lombard". See?

Well, if you're undefeated in 25 straight fights and reigning champion in 3 promotions, odds are you're not a 'lousy fighter'. And Lombard clearly has more than one attribute, as does Silva. Whether his attributes match up well with Silva's on the other hand, is a major question mark. Like you say, his stand up and movement is lacking, which would make him a (barely) moving target for Silva's accurate striking. How would he do on the inside though (assuming he'd get there)? Olympic judo, 4th dan jits and vastly superior body strength? Could be interesting.

Lombard and Silva have the exact same amount of wins and finishes. I agree that Lombard has faced inferior opposition, at least for the last 5 or so years.

I'd love to see this fight. Pretty sure it'd end up like Silva / Hendo, but at least it would be explosive.

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rundymc wrote:
Sifu wrote:


Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.


Off hand who has the best takedown defense?

I am thinking GSP currently.

RE: Lombard

I am very impressed with him. However he has not faced the competition Silva has, who basically wrecked the 185 division. Lombards 32 wins have not been against anything close to that level of competition in MMA. His only showings in a "major" promotion were 6 years ago in Pride, where he lost twice. Granted he has gotten much, much better since. On the other hand his Judo pedigre is excellent. If he doesn't make it to the UFC soon, I think he is going be done do to age/injury.

RE: Franklin
I don't think it is fair to say Franklin was/is a bad fighter. He was a legit champion in MMA who has managed to beat or go the distance with some of the best. If he was shit, Hendo would have taken him out. That didn't happen. He is 28-6 against some very stiff competition.

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Sifu wrote:


In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.




this point i believe is debatable. yes if your throwing straight punches etc but this doesnt really apply to alot of power punches or even just punches in general we see in mma some very talented strikers have had unorthodox styles. one fighter in particular that comes to mind would be chick liddell he had a heavy kempo background but generally used looping punches and straights often with a flared elbow very unlike what you are describing. also fedor chuck and countless other fighters routinely break the rotation of humerus rule. sure there are ideals in form within a martial art but with the different body mechanics of individuals and the dynamic exchange of a fight we often dont see ideals in the sense of tma form

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i know ive posted it a thousand times just an example i went through a pretty big chuck phase might reread his book

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rundymc wrote:
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Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.



Really? I don't see people taking him down easily. In fact I remember after the Thales Leites fight the BJJ fans were all whining about Silva because he wouldn't let Leites have an easy take down so he could then show what a BJJ master he was.

So who are all the people who are way better? List a couple of them.

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Sifu wrote:
rundymc wrote:
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Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.



Really? I don't see people taking him down easily. In fact I remember after the Thales Leites fight the BJJ fans were all whining about Silva because he wouldn't let Leites have an easy take down so he could then show what a BJJ master he was.

So who are all the people who are way better? List a couple of them.


I don't think any of the Chute Boxe alums have great wrestling or takedown defense. At 185 I would put Bisbing, Hendo, Palhares, and Marquerdt ahead of Silva at being able to actively foil a takedown.

Silva gets points for having good enough footwork that opponents cannot line up a shot or get a dominant clinch as easy. He also manages to end up with his opponent in his guard and work from there often. If that is what you meant than I can see your point a bit. Still, he has been put on his back by Lutter, Henderson, and Sonnen.

I don't think Leites has good takedowns in general, and certainly not in MMA. His shots were from way too far away and he couldn't get the proper distance or angle to even make an honest attempt. Even when Silva was acting "angry" at the lack of attempts he was still keeping his distance. I am not knocking Silva for avoiding grappling, but Leites is not GSP/Coleman/Sonnen when it comes to shooting a double.

Silva avoided the ground with Maia as well. Maia's wrestling has gotten better since he fought Silva, but I still don't see his ability to take the fight to the ground as being all that great. He just owns it if it gets there. I hold up his performance against Weidman as evidence.

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Khaine wrote:
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westdale warrior wrote:
chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.

sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but

A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt


and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me



Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA and the best striking. Lombard would eat a lot of shots trying to get a take down on Silva.

That fight against Shlemenko that I posted went a full five rounds and then it had to go to the cards for a decision. Shlemenko did a decent job but he's no Anderson Silva. Shlemenko is good enough to go the distance against Lombard yet somehow we are supposed to believe that Lombard will destroy someone who is better than Shlemenko, the man who went the distance.

In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.

There are a lot of factors that go into being a fighter. Just because someone is winning fights it doesn't mean they are a good fighter. You can be a lousy fighter but have just one attribute that none of your competition can overcome and you'll be winning.

Quite often when someone has that one killer technique that they are really good at they rely on it at the expense of developing other skills. Which is what Lombard stand up looks like.

When I look at Lombards resume I don't just look at a win and leave it at that. I want to know who he won against and how. Silva has beat much better talent than Lombard and less of his wins have been by decision or stoppage.


Shlemenko has been KOd ONCE in 55 pro fights. Not a sensational fighter, but definitely an iron chin. Not knocking that guy out can hardly count against Lombard. Also, MMA math don't work. "Silva didn't KO Lee Murray, so clearly, he'd lose to Lombard". See?

Well, if you're undefeated in 25 straight fights and reigning champion in 3 promotions, odds are you're not a 'lousy fighter'. And Lombard clearly has more than one attribute, as does Silva. Whether his attributes match up well with Silva's on the other hand, is a major question mark. Like you say, his stand up and movement is lacking, which would make him a (barely) moving target for Silva's accurate striking. How would he do on the inside though (assuming he'd get there)? Olympic judo, 4th dan jits and vastly superior body strength? Could be interesting.

Lombard and Silva have the exact same amount of wins and finishes. I agree that Lombard has faced inferior opposition, at least for the last 5 or so years.

I'd love to see this fight. Pretty sure it'd end up like Silva / Hendo, but at least it would be explosive.



I didn't know that Lombard had knocked out Murray. I didn't even know they fought. My point still remains. If we are going to speculate on Lombard's prowess against Silva based on highlight reels I think we can use fight stats as well then. Silva has been more consistent in knocking out or submitting and not having to rely on the score cards.

Sure Lombard has some wins in lesser organizations but none of his fights have been against UFC fighters. He hasn't even faced Cris Leben let alone a Josh Koschech or Diego Sanchez. But we are expected to accept that he's going to take out the top of the food chain?

Faced inferior competition is an understatement. Silva has defeated how many champions or former champions? Franklin, Griffin, Henderson. I don't think anyone can diss on Henderson, he was a Pride champion, he's defeated Fedor. Silva has taken out some serious competition.

I'm pretty sure it would end up like Silva Franklin only worse.

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Robert A wrote:
rundymc wrote:
Sifu wrote:


Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.


Off hand who has the best takedown defense?

I am thinking GSP currently.



Aw yeah.

Also:
-Machida.
-Aldo.
-Gray.

Not to say Silva has crappy TDD, but it's certainly not top-shelf. He does give up takedowns against wrestlers and would be take down more if he were fighting better "MMA wrestlers", ala Chael. His division, unlike WW and LW, just isn't packed with that many solid wrestlers.

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Sifu wrote:
rundymc wrote:
Sifu wrote:


Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA



Sorry Sifu, not even close.



Really? I don't see people taking him down easily. In fact I remember after the Thales Leites fight the BJJ fans were all whining about Silva because he wouldn't let Leites have an easy take down so he could then show what a BJJ master he was.

So who are all the people who are way better? List a couple of them.


Rob A covered most of what I wanted to say. Silva has really only fought one guy with good takedowns in Chael, the results of which are iffy and will be questioned till the rematch happens due to the alleged injury. Leites, Maia, even Lutter, don't have great takedown ability, though Maia has shown great stuff in the clinch. Okami is decent, but lacked the power double of wrestlers like Sonnen, Kos, or GSP.

So considering all that, I gotta strongly disagree with saying he's got the best TDD.

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westdale warrior wrote:
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In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.




this point i believe is debatable. yes if your throwing straight punches etc but this doesnt really apply to alot of power punches or even just punches in general we see in mma some very talented strikers have had unorthodox styles. one fighter in particular that comes to mind would be chick liddell he had a heavy kempo background but generally used looping punches and straights often with a flared elbow very unlike what you are describing. also fedor chuck and countless other fighters routinely break the rotation of humerus rule. sure there are ideals in form within a martial art but with the different body mechanics of individuals and the dynamic exchange of a fight we often dont see ideals in the sense of tma form



It's not debatable at all. The elbow is the controlling joint in any upper body striking. Keeping it close to the body for certain punches results in conservation of inertia. It also just so happens that the ideal elbow ready position for a number of strikes also happens to be the best position to use the arms and elbow as a guard.

I have the distinct impression that you have never fought someone without foot pads. If you ever try that I have a tip for you based upon personal experience. If they are keeping their elbows down and close in to protect their floating ribs don't just throw roundhouses in there, if you hit the point of the elbow with the wrong part of your foot or ankle joint you are going to be in a world of hurt.

Another major point is what we generally see in MMA doesn't mean anything. So many of those guys are from wrestling or Jiu Jitsu backgrounds that the general level of striking is not all that good. Wrestlers in particular tend to carry over bad habits from wrestling.

Just because something works well enough against the average run of the mill strikers it doesn't mean it is going to serve you well against the elite strikers, like Silva, GSP, Machida.

Human body mechanics don't change that much and that is quite often used as an excuse for sloppy technique. But when someone is all bulked up like Lombard it is going to start affecting how they can move.

Another thing you are wrong about is linear punches not being powerful. Here is an example of a high level striker who keeps his elbow down for some of his most devastating punches. Watch the fighter in the black trunks. At 0:26 he throws a reverse punch to the body, 0:28 an upper cut, 0:46 another reverse punch. In slow mo it's easier to see the elbow position. 1:02 the upper cut and at 1:14 the knockout that elbow almost touching his body. Something else that is important to note on that final punch is the fist, forearm and elbow are all traveling in the same plane. If the elbow and fist are not traveling in the same plane you lose power.

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i know ive posted it a thousand times just an example i went through a pretty big chuck phase might reread his book



This video shows a point I made in my last post. For this type of punch the elbow and fist need to be traveling in the same plane of motion. That is part of the reason why his elbow comes up high, the other being he wants to come down on top of the other guys head.

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Thanks for all the input on TDD. All the hype surrounding what a great BJJ expert Leites was, led me to believe it. My way of thinking is that if he's so good at BJJ he should be able to get his opponent into a position where he can work his magic. Or to paraphrase others, his martial art should work against a "fully resisting opponent" not just a student in the dojo.

I had assumed Leites must be really good at take downs as that is where he needs to get his opponents to show how great he is at BJJ. Apparently I was wrong.

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i never said linear punches where not powerful anywhere reread my post, yes i have been elbow spiked countless times in the foot from kicking without leg pads. did it effect me at the time ? no i knew it hurt but realistically it did nothing and continuing to kick for the floating ribs outweighed the damage i was receiving could i walk after? barely

"For this type of punch the elbow and fist need to be traveling in the same plane of motion"
by the way your saying that in relation to the video and what you said earlier it seems like your just saying the arm needs to move to punch

and your shitting all over the pros saying they have no skill. thats just neckbeardery at its finest. even the fighters you name dont adhere rigidly to strict form all the time. and there's tons of fighters who throw punches from fucked up angles with wide loops or that just look like technical dog shit that i wouldnt for the life of me want to get hit by

its mma not karate class and thats how most fighters fight. if you want perfect striking form within the confines of a set of rules that promote such things watch a shotokan kumite



sonens stand up wasnt exactly a technical marvel thefirst time they fought sure seemed effective though

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I didn't know that Lombard had knocked out Murray. I didn't even know they fought. My point still remains. If we are going to speculate on Lombard's prowess against Silva based on highlight reels I think we can use fight stats as well then. Silva has been more consistent in knocking out or submitting and not having to rely on the score cards.


He hasn't. They haven't fought. But neither have Silva and Shlemenko. Making both comparisons equally shit. Which was my point.

You said: Lombard didn't KO Shlemenko = Silva must beat Lombard
I said: Silva didn't KO Murray = Lombard must beat Silva

See? Neither makes any kind of sense. Moving on.

Also, stop saying Silva has been more consistent in finishing his fights. Both fighters have 31 pro wins and 24 finishes.

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Sure Lombard has some wins in lesser organizations but none of his fights have been against UFC fighters. He hasn't even faced Cris Leben let alone a Josh Koschech or Diego Sanchez. But we are expected to accept that he's going to take out the top of the food chain?


Nah, I wouldn't expect anything of the sort, which is why I said it'll probably end like the Hendo fight. I'm just saying Lombard's skill set could make the fight interesting.

IMO, his striking fundamentals aren't really all that relevant, because if he tries to stand and bang with Silva, he'll get picked apart by the longer, more mobile, accurate and technical striker. His body strength, Judo and Jiu Jitsu pedigree on the other hand, makes me think it could get very interesting if he closes the gap and makes it a grappling contest. Which would depend on his footwork. Which is probably not good or fast enough. But I'd still like to find out for certain.

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If silva really did have a broken/fractured rib in their last fight, then it really does call into question just how well Sonnen actually did, and how much it was actually attributed to Anderson's injury.

I love sonnen as a trash talker, as a fighter he's nothing special. Really a one trick pony, great wrestling, boring or inefficient at best in every other aspect.

Silva on point and coming in with a vengeance?

I say either Sonnen gets sparked out by Silva in dramatic fashion, or we get one of Silva's shitty victories where he stands around blaming the other fighter for not engaging, but not actively attempting to engage himself.


This seems likely, either way i cant see Silva allowing himself to lose this one. However i think we're more likely to see Silva come out and smash Sonnen within a couple rounds than see him dance around and bore him to death just due to the sheer animosity he must hold for this guy.

Everytime Silva's had a poor performance he's come back to make a huge statement afterwards, and i think he will be looking to do this here.

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Also, it's ridiculous to think that Lombard has any more of a shot against Silva than Belfort did, and i'd actually argue that his chances are worse because of his short stature/reach. Silva would exploit that every single time Lombard tried to come in with those flurries.

This fight shouldnt even be considered by anyone yet.

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