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Malchir
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I was actually flabbergasted, no sarcasm.

He knew he was going to get 2 random tests in 6 months(part of his conditional license), yet he still fucks up something as easy to control as the t:e ratio.

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humble wrote:
rundymc wrote:
Overeem-Werdum.

Holy shit humble, you sure do like riding Alistair's nuts, hahah.


lmao, that and I can't stand the bullshit Dana is spewing these days. All that solarium sitting must be frying his brains.


Amen to that. I like the guy's vlogs and the occasional interview, but holy shit he needs to pipe down. That FOX show makes it even worse.

Looks like the fight will be going through. Reem wasn't a licensed fighter at the time of testing, so he can claim something like TRT treatment and agree to stop it if therapeutic use exemption is denied.... on paper.

If not, I'd happily watch Mark Hunt fuck up Junior, lol.

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humble
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oh the loopholes lmao. Fuck me the reem has some good lawyers on his side

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Fistiecuffs
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Guess the man is as smart as he is big ;) . Hope it was nothing but a false alarm and the fight is still on...

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Not gonna read through the whole thread but heres what i think.

No one is mad because Overeem's a "cheater." People are mad because they wont get to see the biggest possible HW title fight. To me this is an indicator that people are beginning to see steroid use in the sport as being an inherent aspect. If anything i'm mad at overeem for not being smarter about his steroid use and fucking up like this. You'd think a guy with the team and resources he has would have an endocrinologist that is available at all times to make sure this doesnt happen. Fuck.

The bottom line is that the guidelines on normal testosterone production vary so much depending on who you talk to that all one of these fighters has to do is claim symptoms of low test and they get a doctors note allowing them to basically take steroids.

Rampage said after the Bader fight that he was on TRT and felt like he was 25 again and the best he ever has. That's not just making his Test normal for a 30 something male, thats what a steroid does to anyone. He also says he put on size because of it which made the weight cut hard......Forgive me if im mistaken but by most peoples standards he is a pretty muscular dude, the fact that he put on more weight that easily says a lot.

And i have a hard time believing that guys like Hendo and Rampage maintain the muscle mass they do without serious weight training with low testosterone. Some guys can train specifically for hypertrophy for years with low T and hardly gain anything.

Steroids and TRT are becoming the norm, the people who are being punished by the increased frequency of fighters pissing hot are the fans.

Sorry for the rant, this just sucks and im very frustrated right now. Yeah there's other good fights at HW but what MMA fan wasn't salivating over the idea of Overeem vs JDS for the title?

Im hoping that he goes before the commission and manages to convince them of some bullshit TRT scenario or something that lets the fight go through, but this is doubtful.


EDIT: just actually read some of the posts in this thread and it seems some of you guys have heard that due to technicalities, the fight will still take place.

Thank god.

Now if Overeem wins its gonna be awesome to read all the Sherdog threads about how he only won cause of ROIDZ

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Aragorn
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humble wrote:
oh the loopholes lmao. Fuck me the reem has some good lawyers on his side


He'd better with the kind of dumb stuff he's been caught in recently. If he can't be smart, at least his lawyers can.

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no one is talking about this manifesto?
http://sibatmedia.wordpress.co...

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Aragorn wrote:
humble wrote:
oh the loopholes lmao. Fuck me the reem has some good lawyers on his side


He'd better with the kind of dumb stuff he's been caught in recently. If he can't be smart, at least his lawyers can.


That's what being a celebrity is these days.

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Robert A
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brotard012 wrote:
no one is talking about this manifesto?
http://sibatmedia.wordpress.co...


Damn it!

I think I am starting to retroactively root for Lesnar.

That has to be fake. Please tell me it is fake and Alistair didn't actually pen

The Reem Wrote?
President Jintao cut me off, saying "Look, I know that becoming the-greatest-fighter-that-has-graced-this-planet-since-Bruce-Lee might not be that much of an incentive, but I didn't get a chance to tell you about the female division of the program that we will be running within the same facility...," and that was all that it took.



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brotard012
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its a fake.

Maybe I could have let it go on for a while.

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Aussie Davo
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That was fucking hilarious

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"While the average human has 0.00000000003 grams of radium, my body contains nearly 2,000 times that amount. This is a result of several years of experimenting and tweaking my diet, mostly by replacing protein shakes with white wine."

Class.

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Aragorn
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Awesomeness. Lol @

"I had no unfair advantages during my fights.

I am, quite simply, a better human being."

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qsar
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I have a question as I am unfamiliar with the banned performance enhancing drugs. Please correct where my assumptions are wrong.

Do they help in MMA? They don't give you better reflexes. They don't give you faster twitch. They don't give you better technique. You can grow muscle, but that's a detriment in MMA - more muscle means less endurance - wears you out quicker.

Overeem is not looking to wrestle anyone in the UFC anyway, which is the only way I can see that helping. Even then it's not a big advantage: Brock had a ton more muscle than Velazquez. What good did it do? I can see using them to move up a weight class, but it's not going to make you better than your opponents once there.

So what's the problem with letting Overeem, or anyone else for that matter, use them?

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qsar wrote:
I have a question as I am unfamiliar with the banned performance enhancing drugs. Please correct where my assumptions are wrong.

Do they help in MMA? They don't give you better reflexes. They don't give you faster twitch. They don't give you better technique. You can grow muscle, but that's a detriment in MMA - more muscle means less endurance - wears you out quicker.

Overeem is not looking to wrestle anyone in the UFC anyway, which is the only way I can see that helping. Even then it's not a big advantage: Brock had a ton more muscle than Velazquez. What good did it do? I can see using them to move up a weight class, but it's not going to make you better than your opponents once there.

So what's the problem with letting Overeem, or anyone else for that matter, use them?



Your ability to recover improves quite a bit the more T you have in your body. Faster recovery means you can train more, and being able to train more often times means that your skill level will be much higher than some average guy who couldn't reach no where near the daily ammount of training those guys put themselves through. I also recall reading something about them lowering the risk of injuries/allowing those injuries to heal faster, but not 100% if thats a fact so don't take my word on it. There are also PEDs out there that increase your cardio, not all PEDs are about growing massive beach muscles.

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qsar wrote:
I have a question as I am unfamiliar with the banned performance enhancing drugs. Please correct where my assumptions are wrong.

Do they help in MMA? They don't give you better reflexes. They don't give you faster twitch. They don't give you better technique. You can grow muscle, but that's a detriment in MMA - more muscle means less endurance - wears you out quicker.

Overeem is not looking to wrestle anyone in the UFC anyway, which is the only way I can see that helping. Even then it's not a big advantage: Brock had a ton more muscle than Velazquez. What good did it do? I can see using them to move up a weight class, but it's not going to make you better than your opponents once there.

So what's the problem with letting Overeem, or anyone else for that matter, use them?



The truth that no one wants to accept is that they do ALL of those things.

More testosterone potentially increases reflexes, by how much, no one can be sure (obviously with most things, genetic predispositions are still going to govern you. Nobody become roy jones by shooting some test in their ass and popping a few dbols) they increase the amount of fast twitch fibers, they enhance recovery and help prevent injury via a number of pathways (increased red blood cells, etc) and they increase strength dramatically. Also increased levels of IGF-1 means an athlete on steroids potentially learns or enhances skills faster.

It literally is bigger, stronger, faster. This is why sprinters are yet another class of athlete who make heavy use of anabolic steroids.

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qsar wrote:
I have a question as I am unfamiliar with the banned performance enhancing drugs. Please correct where my assumptions are wrong.

Do they help in MMA? They don't give you better reflexes. They don't give you faster twitch. They don't give you better technique. You can grow muscle, but that's a detriment in MMA - more muscle means less endurance - wears you out quicker.

Overeem is not looking to wrestle anyone in the UFC anyway, which is the only way I can see that helping. Even then it's not a big advantage: Brock had a ton more muscle than Velazquez. What good did it do? I can see using them to move up a weight class, but it's not going to make you better than your opponents once there.

So what's the problem with letting Overeem, or anyone else for that matter, use them?


You don't think being 265 in the heavyweight division with all the added strength, and what seems to be very good conditioning as well, is an advantage?

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No, this isn't fucking happening... They pull Reem few days BEFORE the hearing and now if he can get that license he will fight Cain instead. What the fuck is going on and why, oh why do you have to take it away from us twice? Ruined my day, part 2.

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humble
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http://bleacherreport.com/...esting-positive

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Robert A
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I thought the 6:1 Test:Epitestosterone ratio was the actual limit set in the book.

Not that Sonnen has ever felt constrained by the notion of shared reality.

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Robert A

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http://www.mmafighting.com/...c-146-drug-test

Not sure what to make of this...

I'd really just like him to get off the juice and fight.

I feel like I should care more than I do, but I really wanted to see this fight.

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rundymc
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He was prescribed Steroidal Anti-Inflammatories? Well, it's not the worst defense.

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Robert A
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Spartiates wrote:
http://www.mmafighting.com/...c-146-drug-test

Not sure what to make of this...

I'd really just like him to get off the juice and fight.

I feel like I should care more than I do, but I really wanted to see this fight.


So he is saying his doctor used a corticosteroid and an anabolic steroid together? Like a test plus cortisone injection? "Mixed" seems to imply an injection. So, test right into the costotransverse joint, or cortisone into a mass of soft tissue. That is...unconventional.

Tried to find a protocol, didn't.

Got:
http://ajs.sagepub.com/...nt/27/1/2.short

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Aragorn
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Robert A wrote:
Spartiates wrote:
http://www.mmafighting.com/...c-146-drug-test

Not sure what to make of this...

I'd really just like him to get off the juice and fight.

I feel like I should care more than I do, but I really wanted to see this fight.


So he is saying his doctor used a corticosteroid and an anabolic steroid together? Like a test plus cortisone injection? "Mixed" seems to imply an injection. So, test right into the costotransverse joint, or cortisone into a mass of soft tissue. That is...unconventional.

Tried to find a protocol, didn't.

Got:
http://ajs.sagepub.com/...nt/27/1/2.short

Regards,

Robert A


Hahaha. Well, true. Although you don't need to prove a protocol so much as throw enough "expert testimony" from friendly doctors to cloud things up. Not sure what the "mixed" means.

Also with humble on ruined my day part 2...

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rundymc
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Well, he's been suspended for 9 months.

Guess they didn't buy it.

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