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humble
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So who is watching it?

A former training partner is on it and doing well so far. Dylan Andrews has been fighting and slowly creeping up the ranks for a while now. As you saw in his fight, he has this switch sometimes where he can pour it on. REALLY sweet guy in person, always cracking jokes.

I see him fighting my other favourite. Uriah.

HOLY SHIT that guy is deadly. The minute I heard him talk I knew this guy was mentally leaps and bounds ahead of everyone there. Then to see his physical abilities..... daym!

I see Uriah and Dylan in the finals. I dunno man, If Uriah can exercise his athleticism then will be an easy night but my guess is on Dylan neutralising his stand up immediately and grinding him out on the ground. Once Dylan does get you down, he does have a decent spread and ability to smother from the top.

I seriously can't wait.

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I'm watching. The new production and focus on the fights (as opposed to "hijinks") is refreshing. The talent level isn't where it was with season 5/6, but it's better than the last two, and produced some great fights.

Your boy's impressive, that fight with the British guy was brilliant. He's just good enough at everything (striking/wrestling/ground/gastank) that he makes things a grind. Unfortunately I think Uriah takes him with the sprawl and brawl next episode.

Excited at Uriah's prospects, but realistically he's looked like an animal against guys who couldn't take it to his weaknesses. Still, the MW division in the UFC isn't exactly a shark tank right now, and there are some decent matchups for him.

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Robert A
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I am really impressed with Uriah.

Andrews has done far better than I expected, of course I am on record as thinking the Gracie trained guy would do well so fuck my expectations.

rundymc wrote:
Excited at Uriah's prospects, but realistically he's looked like an animal against guys who couldn't take it to his weaknesses. Still, the MW division in the UFC isn't exactly a shark tank right now, and there are some decent matchups for him.


Actually, the MW division is exactly like a shark tank right now. You wind up with one shark, and a greasy film on the water.

Regards,

Robert A

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nah Rob, that's a swimming pool that someone dropped a shark into. Some guys fought the shark and got killed. Some fought him, got bit and got the fuck out of the pool. Others still saw the shark in action and stuck to the kiddie end of the pool.

Occasionally the shark will jump out of the pool into an actual shark tank, and attack some of the barracudas, but so far it's been more of a hobby for him. Still, he'll have his hands full this July when some life-guard called Chris takes the plunge.

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humble wrote:
So who is watching it?

A former training partner is on it and doing well so far. Dylan Andrews has been fighting and slowly creeping up the ranks for a while now. As you saw in his fight, he has this switch sometimes where he can pour it on. REALLY sweet guy in person, always cracking jokes.



That is very cool. Dylan's had good fights and remains very down to earth (must be the Kiwi in him).

I think a few of these fighters would be picked up by the UFC - Samman, Barnett, Andrews and possibly Hester and McDaniel (the Albuquerque connection). I expect Uriah to win.

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XanderBuilt wrote:
humble wrote:
So who is watching it?

A former training partner is on it and doing well so far. Dylan Andrews has been fighting and slowly creeping up the ranks for a while now. As you saw in his fight, he has this switch sometimes where he can pour it on. REALLY sweet guy in person, always cracking jokes.



That is very cool. Dylan's had good fights and remains very down to earth (must be the Kiwi in him).

I think a few of these fighters would be picked up by the UFC - Samman, Barnett, Andrews and possibly Hester and McDaniel (the Albuquerque connection). I expect Uriah to win.

That 21 yr old kid has some promise, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals with Uriah.

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XanderBuilt wrote:
humble wrote:
So who is watching it?

A former training partner is on it and doing well so far. Dylan Andrews has been fighting and slowly creeping up the ranks for a while now. As you saw in his fight, he has this switch sometimes where he can pour it on. REALLY sweet guy in person, always cracking jokes.



That is very cool. Dylan's had good fights and remains very down to earth (must be the Kiwi in him).

I think a few of these fighters would be picked up by the UFC - Samman, Barnett, Andrews and possibly Hester and McDaniel (the Albuquerque connection). I expect Uriah to win.


I love Kiwi's. Best blokes. All Islanders, seem to get along with them well. Kiwi's Samoans, Tongan's Fijians etc. Some real talent physically amongst them too. We have Hunt, Tama, and Dylan now carving through the UFC, Guarantee you there will be more to come. Tough boys, heart, chins and come to fight not play patty cakes and sign t shirts

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Really enjoying this series. Previous series I quickly gave up on as they were more about the drama than the fights.

Love Chael as a coach. The insights, support and care he provides his fighters - just awesome.

Jones on the other hand, not sure he knows what he's doing most of the time. Other than spouting inane cliches at his team, which don't even make sense usually.

A lot of it's due to age I'm sure (Chael's 10+ years older), but also because Chael's clearly a thinker - about fighting in general. He's also obviously had to work a lot harder than Jones to get where they're at, given he doesn't have Jones' physical gifts.

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Dylan is by far my favorite fighter on the show, such a stand up guy, and he really showed that heart against Luke Barnatt, where he just decided in the third round he wasn't going to lose and came forward like the terminator. I was disappointed to see him get beat so badly by Uriah, but Uriah was just so fast and did so much damage with his striking that dylan never had a chance to find his range.

Its rare to see a guy like Uriah who can throw his strikes both fast, powerful, and effortless all at once. And as a compliment to Dylan he lasted much longer against Uriah than anyone else.

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Truth Zeno. I think it was a good experience for Dylan. He's always been more of a wrestler/grinder gnp. This experience with Uriah should be a learning one for him and a benchmark to improve on but Uriah's striking as mentioned is far to crisp for anyone in MMA to deal with right now. That's seriously clean, quick, accurate, relentless and so scary that it puts opponents off their game of throwing down, taking down or doing anything but defending.

This is why I always harp on about the shit striking in MMA. Done properly, you can completely neutralise opponents and put the fear of God in them from ever attempting a take down. Granted, all necessary skills of speed, timing, footwork and power have to be waiting in reserve.

Poor 21 year old, he will become a high light reel GIF

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humble wrote:
Truth Zeno. I think it was a good experience for Dylan. He's always been more of a wrestler/grinder gnp. This experience with Uriah should be a learning one for him and a benchmark to improve on but Uriah's striking as mentioned is far to crisp for anyone in MMA to deal with right now. That's seriously clean, quick, accurate, relentless and so scary that it puts opponents off their game of throwing down, taking down or doing anything but defending.
This is why I always harp on about the shit striking in MMA. Done properly, you can completely neutralise opponents and put the fear of God in them from ever attempting a take down. Granted, all necessary skills of speed, timing, footwork and power have to be waiting in reserve.

Poor 21 year old, he will become a high light reel GIF

Show me one fighter that has successfully done this on a consistent basis? Anderson is the closest and he's been taken down. Uriah is not fighting super high caliber wrestlers. Plus we've seen guys like Manhoef get taken down fairly easily, even though his power and strikes are powerful and crisp. I expect Uriah to win but I won't be overly surprised if Kelvin wrestle fucks Uriah.

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Uriah is a perfect fit for that division. There aren't really any explosive wrestlers there that would take him out of his game but there are plenty of guys that would stand and throw. I mean Dylan does not look like the greatest wrestler but he took Uriah down it was just too little too late. I think Kelvin should drop to 170 if he can. He seems small framed for a 185er. I am saying Uriah's first fight in the UFC will be Chris Leben.

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bpick86 wrote:
Uriah is a perfect fit for that division. There aren't really any explosive wrestlers there that would take him out of his game but there are plenty of guys that would stand and throw. I mean Dylan does not look like the greatest wrestler but he took Uriah down it was just too little too late. I think Kelvin should drop to 170 if he can. He seems small framed for a 185er. I am saying Uriah's first fight in the UFC will be Chris Leben.

Yeah Okami, boetsch, Weidman, munoz...

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hmmm, looks like this Uriah Hall kid got taken to school somewhat, had his hype train derailed. i still think he will have some success in the ufc, so will this Kelvin kid, but i agree with those who say he needs to drop to 170.

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Shit... yeah, eat my words. Fucker was too arrogant. Playing around for what? What the fuck. Why on earth would you act like that. Fuckstick. Good on Kelvin for his effort but it was damn marginal. Kelvin clearly won but what I mean is he didn't have this wow factor in winning and Uriah just sucked ass. Back to stand up where the real boys fight.

Fucken Ghokan Saki vs Ghita... fucken phenomenal for all those who give a shit about a real fight.

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ya, agreed

what do you think about kelvin as a welterweight, do you feel he is too small to be a ufc middleweight?

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heavythrower wrote:
ya, agreed

what do you think about kelvin as a welterweight, do you feel he is too small to be a ufc middleweight?


Yeah, he still has that pudgy baby fat look about him so he could come down I think but then again being so young, 2 years of solid training into it he will fill out some more and may come back up.

But, in the US because of wrestling culture coming down in weight seems to be the go for most athletes who compete in weight classes. I'm guessing he may after he faces a heavy boy or two in the division

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thats what i was thinking, he looks too soft, and he is only 5-9.

i wonder if that is common to the TUF fighters, they know they will be fighting 4 times in a matter of weeks, so they compete in a "comfortable" weight class, that is, a weight that is pretty close to what they walk around at, as opposed to a normal training camp, where they have 6-8 weeks to train for one opponent/fight.

it would SUCK to have to cut weight that often for a tournament.

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I didnt watch this season, but i was aware of both guys backgrounds and time on TUF going into the finale.

With that said, Urijah Hall is a moron and has absolutely no fight IQ. He displayed all the tools to win that fight with ease, but didnt put any of them to use. He was too relaxed on the feet, didnt establish the jab or give Kelvin any other reason not to keep coming forward with pressure.

What great striker doesnt use his fucking jab to stop an opponent when he keeps advancing like that? ESPECIALLY when he has such a huge size advantage.

Also, who the fuck did this guy think he was? Anderson Silva? These guys need to realize, there is only one person in the history of MMA who has been successful and been able to pull shit like that off at will, and Urijah is not that guy.

Kelvin nearly got-outwrestled by the striker, did absolutely no damage, but won based on just a little more control.

First, that kid needs to drop to WW. Second, that kid is gonna get ruined by any top 10 WW or MW so it doesnt matter.

This is why i cant watch TUF anymore, they havent produced shit since the third season. And this kid Kelvin is just a bigger Efrain Escudero. Hall was the first guy from TUF in years to get legitimately excited about, but if he doesnt learn some gameplanning and fight IQ, he'll never be more than a flashy striker.

At least the chicks fight was good, though i was sad to see my girlfriend Meisha gas and lose in the third.

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heavythrower wrote:
thats what i was thinking, he looks too soft, and he is only 5-9.

i wonder if that is common to the TUF fighters, they know they will be fighting 4 times in a matter of weeks, so they compete in a "comfortable" weight class, that is, a weight that is pretty close to what they walk around at, as opposed to a normal training camp, where they have 6-8 weeks to train for one opponent/fight.

it would SUCK to have to cut weight that often for a tournament.


I think it has more to do with the fact that since only 1 or 2 weight classes are featured per season, many guys will have to go outside their natural weight to get on the show. Hell, Kenny Florian competed at 185 on the show, Rashad competed at HW, Koscheck, Danzig, Sanchez all guys that dropped immediately after TUF was over.

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Personally I think Uriah is a fantastic fighter. I am not sure why he acted the way he did in that final fight. Seemed like he didn't even care most of the time and then he would explode and do some pretty technical stuff and gain dominance then just quit fighting. Almost like he wanted to loose but didn't want to give the impression he got trucked by some guy who is not really that great of a fighter.

I heard a rumor that he was not happy with the contract so he just let the other guy win. Who knows for sure but I was dissapointed in the fight to say the least.

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Ranzo wrote:
Personally I think Uriah is a fantastic fighter. I am not sure why he acted the way he did in that final fight. Seemed like he didn't even care most of the time and then he would explode and do some pretty technical stuff and gain dominance then just quit fighting. Almost like he wanted to loose but didn't want to give the impression he got trucked by some guy who is not really that great of a fighter.

I heard a rumor that he was not happy with the contract so he just let the other guy win. Who knows for sure but I was dissapointed in the fight to say the least.


I highly, highly doubt that rumor is true. Either way, the guy dropped the ball big time.

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audiogarden1 wrote:
I didnt watch this season, but i was aware of both guys backgrounds and time on TUF going into the finale.

With that said, Urijah Hall is a moron and has absolutely no fight IQ. He displayed all the tools to win that fight with ease, but didnt put any of them to use. He was too relaxed on the feet, didnt establish the jab or give Kelvin any other reason not to keep coming forward with pressure.

What great striker doesnt use his fucking jab to stop an opponent when he keeps advancing like that? ESPECIALLY when he has such a huge size advantage.

Also, who the fuck did this guy think he was? Anderson Silva? These guys need to realize, there is only one person in the history of MMA who has been successful and been able to pull shit like that off at will, and Urijah is not that guy.

Kelvin nearly got-outwrestled by the striker, did absolutely no damage, but won based on just a little more control.

First, that kid needs to drop to WW. Second, that kid is gonna get ruined by any top 10 WW or MW so it doesnt matter.

This is why i cant watch TUF anymore, they havent produced shit since the third season. And this kid Kelvin is just a bigger Efrain Escudero. Hall was the first guy from TUF in years to get legitimately excited about, but if he doesnt learn some gameplanning and fight IQ, he'll never be more than a flashy striker.

At least the chicks fight was good, though i was sad to see my girlfriend Meisha gas and lose in the third.


Uriah's jab was outstanding during the show. I don't know wtf happened to him.

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usmccds423 wrote:
audiogarden1 wrote:
I didnt watch this season, but i was aware of both guys backgrounds and time on TUF going into the finale.

With that said, Urijah Hall is a moron and has absolutely no fight IQ. He displayed all the tools to win that fight with ease, but didnt put any of them to use. He was too relaxed on the feet, didnt establish the jab or give Kelvin any other reason not to keep coming forward with pressure.

What great striker doesnt use his fucking jab to stop an opponent when he keeps advancing like that? ESPECIALLY when he has such a huge size advantage.

Also, who the fuck did this guy think he was? Anderson Silva? These guys need to realize, there is only one person in the history of MMA who has been successful and been able to pull shit like that off at will, and Urijah is not that guy.

Kelvin nearly got-outwrestled by the striker, did absolutely no damage, but won based on just a little more control.

First, that kid needs to drop to WW. Second, that kid is gonna get ruined by any top 10 WW or MW so it doesnt matter.

This is why i cant watch TUF anymore, they havent produced shit since the third season. And this kid Kelvin is just a bigger Efrain Escudero. Hall was the first guy from TUF in years to get legitimately excited about, but if he doesnt learn some gameplanning and fight IQ, he'll never be more than a flashy striker.

At least the chicks fight was good, though i was sad to see my girlfriend Meisha gas and lose in the third.


Uriah's jab was outstanding during the show. I don't know wtf happened to him.


It's called he ate a dick.

But that rumor has got me thinking. He does come across as the stubborn type that can't be swayed unless he wants to be swayed. It just doesn't add up how he can be firing on nothing against the lack lustre Kelvin. As someone mentioned, he'd get into a frenzy and do a few things and make you think ok.... he's had enough and going to kill him now and then back right off when he saw Kelvin in trouble.

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humble wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
audiogarden1 wrote:
I didnt watch this season, but i was aware of both guys backgrounds and time on TUF going into the finale.

With that said, Urijah Hall is a moron and has absolutely no fight IQ. He displayed all the tools to win that fight with ease, but didnt put any of them to use. He was too relaxed on the feet, didnt establish the jab or give Kelvin any other reason not to keep coming forward with pressure.

What great striker doesnt use his fucking jab to stop an opponent when he keeps advancing like that? ESPECIALLY when he has such a huge size advantage.

Also, who the fuck did this guy think he was? Anderson Silva? These guys need to realize, there is only one person in the history of MMA who has been successful and been able to pull shit like that off at will, and Urijah is not that guy.

Kelvin nearly got-outwrestled by the striker, did absolutely no damage, but won based on just a little more control.

First, that kid needs to drop to WW. Second, that kid is gonna get ruined by any top 10 WW or MW so it doesnt matter.

This is why i cant watch TUF anymore, they havent produced shit since the third season. And this kid Kelvin is just a bigger Efrain Escudero. Hall was the first guy from TUF in years to get legitimately excited about, but if he doesnt learn some gameplanning and fight IQ, he'll never be more than a flashy striker.

At least the chicks fight was good, though i was sad to see my girlfriend Meisha gas and lose in the third.


Uriah's jab was outstanding during the show. I don't know wtf happened to him.


It's called he ate a dick.

But that rumor has got me thinking. He does come across as the stubborn type that can't be swayed unless he wants to be swayed. It just doesn't add up how he can be firing on nothing against the lack lustre Kelvin. As someone mentioned, he'd get into a frenzy and do a few things and make you think ok.... he's had enough and going to kill him now and then back right off when he saw Kelvin in trouble.


I disagree, i think he was trying to make a statement. I think he was trying to win the fight in Anderson Silva-type fashion, and he failed. because....he's not Anderson Silva.

I think he wanted to go out there and make it look easy, live up to the hype, and send a message to the rest of the MW's. Well he chose a pretty damn terrible time to try and make that sort of statement, and he paid for it because the other guy didnt care how he had to do it, he just knew he needed to win.

I could be wrong, but either way, there's no excusing this. If he was trying to make a point, it was more similar to Overeem/Big Foot rather than Silva/Bonnar.

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