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Men of genius do not excel in any profession because they labor in it, but they labor in it because they excel.—William Hazlitt

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Amused59
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I heard a definition of genius in 2010 that's made me question the concept. But it boils down to genius not being a talent as much as it's a passion.

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NIguy
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Amused59 wrote:
I heard a definition of genius in 2010 that's made me question the concept. But it boils down to genius not being a talent as much as it's a passion.


would like to see that one...

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Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper

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Raw Finn
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DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper


I think one shouldn't set boundaries.

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postholedigger
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...and here I thought that real men of genius were the ones portrayed in the Bud Light commercials.

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Axel44
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Smart does what it can, Genius does what it must

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Deorum
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Oh wow

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DBCooper
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Raw Finn wrote:
DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper


I think one shouldn't set boundaries.


Of course no one should set boundaries. But they ARE there regarding our intellect; everybody's knowledge is destined to be limited in some capacity, and the ones who are aware of what exactly it is they do and don't know are the ones who are wise.

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SexMachine
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Interesting study purporting to show that boys with an IQ above 130 had significantly lower testosterone levels than boys of average intelligence:

http://majorityrights.com/...pubertal_iq.pdf

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bassist127
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DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper


My African American Studies professor turned out to be a powerlifter and after one of his meets he posted this online which I found inspiring...

"Yeah, it was also grueling, but I love the challenge of pushing beyond what appear to be limits. Often, we discover that these so-called limits are insignificant."

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gurbob
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IMO limits are what whiners worry about.

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DBCooper
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bassist127 wrote:
DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper


My African American Studies professor turned out to be a powerlifter and after one of his meets he posted this online which I found inspiring...

"Yeah, it was also grueling, but I love the challenge of pushing beyond what appear to be limits. Often, we discover that these so-called limits are insignificant."


There are no limits to what someone can achieve, but there are limits to what someone already knows. Perhaps you missed that distinction. My point is that it is important that, while we may be able to achieve anything, we don't KNOW everything and we will never KNOW everything.

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Genius has its limits stupidity has none...lol

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SexMachine
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gurbob wrote:
IMO limits are what whiners worry about.


And people with bulging/herniated discs.

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silee
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SexMachine wrote:
Interesting study purporting to show that boys with an IQ above 130 had significantly lower testosterone levels than boys of average intelligence:

http://majorityrights.com/...pubertal_iq.pdf



LOL well i am one who thinks that is true on first blush... Although Einstein did have a strong libido. Me on the other hand had a sex drive as strong has any ones and ... duh lol

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silee
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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bassist127 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper [/quote]


There are no limits to what someone can achieve, but there are limits to what someone already knows. Perhaps you missed that distinction. My point is that it is important that, while we may be able to achieve anything, we don't KNOW everything and we will never KNOW everything.[/quote]

Limits to what one already knows? There is no limit to what you know. What do you mean by limit? I think what you are trying to say is there are limits to knowing everything, because we don't have the kind of brain power that is able to know everything there is to know plus there is always new findings say in the natural sciences. A human being is not in the position to have universal knowledge. Even Geniuses like Einstein didn't possess a knowledge of what the sciences of his time entailed, true he was a ground breaker in his field, but everything in physics? I doubt that. Just like the American linguist Noam Chomsky knows pretty much everything there is to know as it stands currently in linguistics he will be the first to admit that his knowledge of medical sciences is lacking. THe problem with these kinds of discussions is that they are not specific enough from the get go. But yeah they do get us into thinking.

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[quote]silee wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bassist127 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper [/quote]


There are no limits to what someone can achieve, but there are limits to what someone already knows. Perhaps you missed that distinction. My point is that it is important that, while we may be able to achieve anything, we don't KNOW everything and we will never KNOW everything.[/quote]

Limits to what one already knows? There is no limit to what you know. What do you mean by limit? I think what you are trying to say is there are limits to knowing everything, because we don't have the kind of brain power that is able to know everything there is to know plus there is always new findings say in the natural sciences. A human being is not in the position to have universal knowledge. Even Geniuses like Einstein didn't possess a knowledge of what the sciences of his time entailed, true he was a ground breaker in his field, but everything in physics? I doubt that. Just like the American linguist Noam Chomsky knows pretty much everything there is to know as it stands currently in linguistics he will be the first to admit that his knowledge of medical sciences is lacking. THe problem with these kinds of discussions is that they are not specific enough from the get go. But yeah they do get us into thinking. [/quote]

Rather, the issues with these and any discussions whatsoever is that they are exercises of language conducted via language- they are attempts to step outside of language with language and are consequently meaningless.

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Karado
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Correlation is not causation in the apparent High IQ/Low testosterone theory.
Maybe Bookworms don't have time for good diets and exercise....I've known dumbasses
that don't have time for good diets and exercise as well and I'm sure they have Low T
because at least one told me he needs boner pills to satisfy wifey.

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silee
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[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
[quote]silee wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bassist127 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Genius knows no boundaries, but the wise do and they are wise for knowing what bounds their intellect.

-DB Cooper [/quote]


There are no limits to what someone can achieve, but there are limits to what someone already knows. Perhaps you missed that distinction. My point is that it is important that, while we may be able to achieve anything, we don't KNOW everything and we will never KNOW everything.[/quote]

Limits to what one already knows? There is no limit to what you know. What do you mean by limit? I think what you are trying to say is there are limits to knowing everything, because we don't have the kind of brain power that is able to know everything there is to know plus there is always new findings say in the natural sciences. A human being is not in the position to have universal knowledge. Even Geniuses like Einstein didn't possess a knowledge of what the sciences of his time entailed, true he was a ground breaker in his field, but everything in physics? I doubt that. Just like the American linguist Noam Chomsky knows pretty much everything there is to know as it stands currently in linguistics he will be the first to admit that his knowledge of medical sciences is lacking. THe problem with these kinds of discussions is that they are not specific enough from the get go. But yeah they do get us into thinking. [/quote]

Rather, the issues with these and any discussions whatsoever is that they are exercises of language conducted via language- they are attempts to step outside of language with language and are consequently meaningless.
[/quote]

I agree with you about the specificity of these type discussions... and with your Chomsky remark and yeah they do get us thinking...

But i specifically like your remark about language, sounds Wittgensteinian to me. Or I think it could be put this way, when we attempt to step outside of language we enter into metaphysics. We can relate to what is being said but we can never have any confirmation of that. That's my metaphysical take here... lol

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SexMachine wrote:
gurbob wrote:
IMO limits are what whiners worry about.


And people with bulging/herniated discs.


QFT!

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vdix
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Most of our limits are direct and largely irrelevant, like being unable to lift 3000kg or being unable to fly. An appropriate plan allows you to accomplish the same goal through other means, such as acquiring a crane or a plane ticket. Those are very simplistic examples, but they are analogous to most situations where people feel unnecessarily limited. Too many people have trouble differentiating between what they want to achieve and how they want to achieve it. Only the former is truly set in stone, while the latter should always be flexible.

Example:
A few years ago, I was pretty out of shape, and I was at a very large local lake and spotted an island. I had always wanted to swim to an island. So I did it... against my friends' advice. I must have been stopped by 4 different boats asking if I needed help, warning of people drowning trying to do what I was doing. I ignored them and kept it up. When I got exhausted, which I did several times, I just flipped to my back and controlled my breathing to make it easy to stay afloat, while gently kicking. Once rested, I would flip back over and start swimming again with resolve. Always heading in the right direction. That's now one of my best memories, and it is one I would not have had I believed that being out of shape precluded an extended swim over a very long stretch of water. The only thing it restricted was my ability to swim vigorously without resting, but as with most things in life, doing so was completely unnecessary.

Of course, we all have limits, but they are inexorably bound to our self image. Any limit we acknowledge and accept becomes stronger and more restrictive, while those we ignore or actively test tend to give us a bit more freedom. To reject all limitations is foolhardy, but for any individual to believe that he knows his own limitations is tragic, because he is almost certainly preventing himself from reaching his greatest potential. If one is willing to be objective, to plan, to sacrifice, and to endure, virtually anything can be accomplished.

I believe I can do everything I know I cannot do, and considering how often my beliefs win out over my knowledge, I would not have it any other way.

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Der_Steppenwolfe
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"Talent is that which we have. Genius is that which has us."
-Harold Speed, the science and practice of drawing.

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alexus
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NIguy wrote:
Amused59 wrote:
I heard a definition of genius in 2010 that's made me question the concept. But it boils down to genius not being a talent as much as it's a passion.


would like to see that one...


Check out Dabrowsky on overexcitability

http://www.sengifted.org/...-and-the-gifted

There is this thing of 10,000 hours to expertise, too. Not that it seems to be sufficient, but that it seems to be necessary for talent to be realized. The kind of passion that drives that focused practice...

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One thing I thought was interesting was they say in China parents encourage their children by praising the effort involved (as we know, early results often suck).

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