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Omca
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I was reading over Michael Boyle's article 'so you think you know strong' and i was wondering what could be classified as 'strong' for a teen, or do the same standards apply?

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Hanley
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CYC

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bignate
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if you have to ask your not strong enough :)

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Omca
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Hanley, whats CYC stand for?

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Asoss
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My neighbor Carl Yngvar Christensen....

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RSGZ
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Asoss wrote:
My neighbor Carl Yngvar Christensen....



*Speechless*

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rasturai
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That's some REAL squatting. Awesome.

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CBar29
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OH DAM. Thats seriously impressive.
As far as teens go, being at or above a
2xBW deadlift, 1.5 BW bench, and 2xBW Squat is pretty impressive, idk though theres not much of a comparason in my school, only 15 or so kids lift.

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-ck
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Here is a teen client of mine. He is strong for 15.

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zephead4747
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-ck wrote:
Here is a teen client of mine. He is strong for 15.



mmm pantera.

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Mega Newb
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whats strong for a teen, is whats strong for a grown man....



What I consider strong overall is 400+ on bench, 600+ on squat, and 700+ on deadlift.


But those are just general numbers, there are many factors in what makes a person strong.

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humanimal
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Mega Newb is a pretty damn strong teenager.

Here is his log: http://www.T-Nation.com/...62&pageNo=0

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Asoss wrote:
My neighbor Carl Yngvar Christensen....





That kid is a monster.

Its fairly obvious hes going conservative on his lifts, they are smooth and easy almost, doesn't want to get hurt and ruin his future career.


Hes got a huge future ahead of himself.

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rock27
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Asoss wrote:
My neighbor Carl Yngvar Christensen....





Holy fuck!!

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Mega Newb wrote:
whats strong for a teen, is whats strong for a grown man....



What I consider strong overall is 400+ on bench, 600+ on squat, and 700+ on deadlift.


But those are just general numbers, there are many factors in what makes a person strong.




I'd say that the numbers above are about right. I would maybe even go a bit lower of the deadlift. Outside of elite powerlifters, a 700 lb pull is hellacious. I have seen a few big jacked kids (ballplayers mostly) that have awesome raw benches and good raw squats (albeit sky high), but getting beyond six plates on deads is a challenge for most especially if they don't have big hands.


Honestly, I have never been real keen on the whole teen and juniors distinction (and sub master and masters for that matter). It's been my observation that a young guy that weighs X and had been competing a few year is in pretty much the same boat as a 30 year old guy that weighs X and has been competing for a few years.

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Pinto wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
whats strong for a teen, is whats strong for a grown man....



What I consider strong overall is 400+ on bench, 600+ on squat, and 700+ on deadlift.


But those are just general numbers, there are many factors in what makes a person strong.



I'd say that the numbers above are about right. I would maybe even go a bit lower of the deadlift. Outside of elite powerlifters, a 700 lb pull is hellacious. I have seen a few big jacked kids (ballplayers mostly) that have awesome raw benches and good raw squats (albeit sky high), but getting beyond six plates on deads is a challenge for most especially if they don't have big hands.


Honestly, I have never been real keen on the whole teen and juniors distinction (and sub master and masters for that matter). It's been my observation that a young guy that weighs X and had been competing a few year is in pretty much the same boat as a 30 year old guy that weighs X and has been competing for a few years.



yeah thats true about the deadlift, most teens in football never deadlift, but almost always squat. I knew some seniors last year who could squat 500-550 off a low box with a olympic belt. But they couldnt deadlift that lol.

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Mega Newb wrote:
whats strong for a teen, is whats strong for a grown man....



What I consider strong overall is 400+ on bench, 600+ on squat, and 700+ on deadlift.


But those are just general numbers, there are many factors in what makes a person strong.


haha raw or geared?

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CBar29 wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
whats strong for a teen, is whats strong for a grown man....



What I consider strong overall is 400+ on bench, 600+ on squat, and 700+ on deadlift.


But those are just general numbers, there are many factors in what makes a person strong.

haha raw or geared?


Well considering the squat is bellow the deadlift, and the bench is low compared to everything else. One would assume when looking at those numbers, that I was talking about raw.

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Hanley
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Of course your numbers also imply that strong teen = heavy teen right?

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Snookerd
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strong for a teen? it would be better to answer the question when understanding how big your "pond" is. on this website, you may be considered weak but in your gym class, you are probably the BMOC. I thought I was pretty strong before I got into my upper classman football program(felt like a little fish). I was a freshman in high school, benching 255x3 and sqautting 365 for sets. also heavy at 225 understand?

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Strong for "normal" people is legitimately squatting 400, benching 300, deadlifting 500. Well, in my mind anyway!
You won't be elite, or even that impressive to specialists, but your everyday person is going to think you're strong, including teens.

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Hanley wrote:
Of course your numbers also imply that strong teen = heavy teen right?


when someone gives a blanket statement of whats strong for a teen, I give them a blanket statement a as well.

If someone could get those numbers at 220, it would still be strong, if they could get those numbers at 400lbs, it would still be strong. But of course the lighter guy, all things created equal, would be more impressive. I could have gone on to say (if your 150lbs you dont have to lift this much to be strong etc).


Being strong for your body weight doesn't necessarily make you strong in my opinion. To me, if the numbers them selves aren't impressive in some way, then the person is not strong.


For instance, a 100lb guy benching 200lbs is strong for his size. But he isnt strong in my opinion.

I guess in my mind, if your a light weight guy, you still have to hit respectable numbers (without taking your body weight into account) to be considered strong in my opinion. I draw a line between strong for your weight, and strong in general.



Here are some numbers in my opinion, where it doesnt matter what you weigh, if you cant lift this, your not strong (in my opinion) -You may be strong for your weight, for your age, for your sex, for your training experience. But you just aren't strong over all.


bench 350+
squat 500+
Deadlift 600+



Im not really the person to talk to as far as whats strong or not. I have never been happy with my strength. Probably never will be. I look at my current self as weak, because I know that I can always be better. When you have a 600lb deadlift in the cross hairs, its hard to be happy with a 500 deadlift. Or respect the 500lb weight at all really. If I deadlifted 600lbs (no offence anyone) I would probably give up training. So its hard for me to give others credit when its due to them when they, for instance, hit 4 or 5 plates on the deadlift.

If I benched 500lbs tomorrow, the next day it wouldnt be enough. And once I got 550, I would feel like 500 was bitch weight and there for I wouldnt be inclined to tell people that their 300lb bench was strong.

Its a vicious circle with me... Im better off to not even comment in threads like this.

Sitting here contemplating what I just wrote, I think I have a problem. Seriously.


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CBar29
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I think when it comes down to teens, its about BW and how big your lifts are in comparason to that. or just the fact that you lift... seeing as most kids dont.

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Cprimero
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Dave Tate pulling 529 and benching 408 at 14!!
http://www.flickr.com/...fts/2869054024/

http://www.flickr.com/...fts/2868222899/

Some of Dan John's standards for his high school athletes are
10th grade: Snatch-115, C& J.-175
12th grade: Snatch 155, C& J.-225
And he classifies you as a rank beginner until you bench 200

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crod266
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Mega Newb wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Of course your numbers also imply that strong teen = heavy teen right?

when someone gives a blanket statement of whats strong for a teen, I give them a blanket statement a as well.

If someone could get those numbers at 220, it would still be strong, if they could get those numbers at 400lbs, it would still be strong. But of course the lighter guy, all things created equal, would be more impressive. I could have gone on to say (if your 150lbs you dont have to lift this much to be strong etc).


Being strong for your body weight doesn't necessarily make you strong in my opinion. To me, if the numbers them selves aren't impressive in some way, then the person is not strong.


For instance, a 100lb guy benching 200lbs is strong for his size. But he isnt strong in my opinion.

I guess in my mind, if your a light weight guy, you still have to hit respectable numbers (without taking your body weight into account) to be considered strong in my opinion. I draw a line between strong for your weight, and strong in general.



Here are some numbers in my opinion, where it doesnt matter what you weigh, if you cant lift this, your not strong (in my opinion) -You may be strong for your weight, for your age, for your sex, for your training experience. But you just aren't strong over all.


bench 350+
squat 500+
Deadlift 600+



Im not really the person to talk to as far as whats strong or not. I have never been happy with my strength. Probably never will be. I look at my current self as weak, because I know that I can always be better. When you have a 600lb deadlift in the cross hairs, its hard to be happy with a 500 deadlift. Or respect the 500lb weight at all really. If I deadlifted 600lbs (no offence anyone) I would probably give up training. So its hard for me to give others credit when its due to them when they, for instance, hit 4 or 5 plates on the deadlift.

If I benched 500lbs tomorrow, the next day it wouldnt be enough. And once I got 550, I would feel like 500 was bitch weight and there for I wouldnt be inclined to tell people that their 300lb bench was strong.

Its a vicious circle with me... Im better off to not even comment in threads like this.

Sitting here contemplating what I just wrote, I think I have a problem. Seriously.




an attitude like that is exactly what makes you progress day in and day out

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