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donpalmero wrote:
Koing wrote:
It's weird but it's very deceptive the amount of power they make with a run up of theirs. But also Stefan Holms is a freak show...
You won't find many guys do that! Jump near to over headhight for 4 hurdles! LOL
Koing
I'm a big fan of Holm, but I had not seen that vid before. That's incredible. Thanks for the link!
The guy is 5'11, jumping 7 feet 10 inches wtf? why do white people get all the fast twitch fibers.
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Bloobird wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Bloobird wrote:
ajcook99 wrote:
Kadour Ziani has got to be up there:
5'10" 56 inch vert
The highest jump in that video was MAYBE 50 inches, no way do I believe 56".
Exactly. Not pointing fingers at anyone specifically, but I get tired of hearing " So-and-so has a 40-something inch vert!!!" There are few people who can get 40" off the ground, either running or from a standstill and there are obviously even fewer getting in the 50's. If SquatDr CAN actually get a 50" from a standstill he might be the only guy in the world to do it, and that's said with all seriousness.
Yeah, I'm still not totally sold on SquatDr's vert, but if/when he puts of a video of him doing it, then damn! I really want his vert to be real unlike the fakers you see all over the place.
There is a video out there showing him on some dunk 'team' where he jumps and gets his head higher than rim level. I've seen it some time ago. In my opinion, this is legit, which makes it SCARY!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This kid gets as high - if not higher - than anyone I've ever seen
Call me crazy, but the rim looked short in a few of those dunks. Could just be him making it look that way though. I mean, there is no doubt he's got freaky hops.
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donpalmero wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
This kid gets as high - if not higher - than anyone I've ever seen
Call me crazy, but the rim looked short in a few of those dunks. Could just be him making it look that way though. I mean, there is no doubt he's got freaky hops.
no your not crazy there's many reasons to doubt the numbers given out.
That's not a 66 inch "vertical" jump. Tucking you knees to your chest doesn't really prove much. Ya 66" jumping over anything is pretty high but mind you his vertical may be only like say 40" tops?
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donpalmero wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
This kid gets as high - if not higher - than anyone I've ever seen
Call me crazy, but the rim looked short in a few of those dunks. Could just be him making it look that way though. I mean, there is no doubt he's got freaky hops.
I think the TFB crew dunks on lower rims often to create the illusion of ridiculous hops, although the dunks they pull on any goal are impressive.
If someone tells me how I'll post a vid of me jumping on the roof of a Ford Focus and a Ford Explorer.
EDIT: Look at that vid of Michael Wilson on the 12 foot dunk. Look where his head is in relation to the 10' mark. Remember watching he and Darvin Ham compete in the college dunk contest years ago, pretty sure it was '96. They claimed that Wilson could get a 55" off the run. Always believed they were exaggerating, but after watching that vid I think he's close.
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CoolColJ wrote:
Stefan Holm has a 60cm 24 inch Vertical jump, so it isn't that great :)
can't be weak and have a great vertical jump
That's bullshit. I've played with plenty of cats who couldn't squat a broom stick draped with two wet socks who were catching windmills on the break. Strength is important - and the weightroom is the great equalizer - but it is not the end all be all of athletic performance.
Stefan Holm has a 60cm confirmed vertical jump. There is an article or soemthing on Elitetrack detailing this
There is not one single person with a 40 inch vertical jump, legitly measured with head height, that isn't strong enough to squat at least 2.4xBW
So that means anyone with a real 40 inch VJ would not have gotten it "naturally"
Sure there are guys who can jump high with a step and off a run, but that's not a vertical jump!
You don't understand. The guy has a 60 CM HIGH JUMP. He's 1.80 cm and has jumped 2.40. That is probably the number that "article" refers to. Do you seriously think his vert. is the same as his high jump? That would mean he can't get his head over a height he can leap over.
Stefan Holm:
31yrs old, 181cm, swedish,
he is training high jump since 25 years,
standing vertical leap: 59cm=23 inches
professional training like the 1m60cm hurdle drills since he was 15 yr
Donald Thomas:
23yrs old, 6??2=190cm, bahamas
standing vertical leap: 93cm=36,6 inches
played bb his whole life, highjump since 2 years.
The question is: How can Holm jump that high? He equalizes it with an extremely high run-up velocity.
which is with 30km/h (18,6mph) one of the fastest worldwide.
Decisive for his high vert. leap is the moment in which he transforms velocity into ?buoyant force? (lift).
The takeoff:
Holms body is forming a straight line.
Using a normal staff you can demonstrate why a stretched body pushes the body upwards.
If you throw the staff diagonal on the ground, it jumps with a ?rotation movement? upwards.
The horizontal momentum of the run-up-velocity is turned into a ?rotation movement? upwards during the moment of jumping-off the ground. (6:46-7:10)
This movement is called: ramping Rotation.
During the Run-Up velocity is turned into kinetic energy.
Holm takes over the role of the staff: the more his body is straight, the better kinetic energy is transformed into ?buoyant force?.
But not everybody is able to use this phenomen.
In the moment of takeoff, the takeoff-leg is extremely high stressed.
The shock equals 650kg (1433 lbs). In the case of Holm it is 10times his own bodyweight.
The left foot?s ankle is heavily loaded too.
All in all 3 factors are determining for Stefan Holms incredible vert. leap.:
an extreme highspeed run-up, a straight body and a left leg, which is strong as an ox,
with this he is compensating his small height.
But how to train someones leg to sustain such stress? With weights!
(8:59 - exercise)
By changing of the knee-angle and ?hoisting technology? different muscles are used.
In the process he keeps concentrating on his left leg.
Stefan Holm lifts weights up to 200 kg (440lbs).
Honestly you will find most high jumpers are not good at standing vertical jumps which rely more of strength and explosivness, rather than run up velocity and reactive spring
plus they try and keep their weight down, so they avoid muscle gain, which helps the running one leg jump.
you can see him doing a standing VJ in the video above, not very impressive :)
