Trying to sort through the stuff on google is getting overwhelming i can't decide what is legit and what isn't.

I'm not looking for anything specific to follow, i just want examples of oly programs because i'd like to see how they're trained by reputable coaches.

I understand there are different styles, bulgarian, russian, etc.

I'd just like some stuff to read. Also if you can recommend any books I'll be sure to pick them up as well. in addition to that any theory would be great as well.

I know "westside", basically the conjugate method, was built off of a program originally designed for olympic lifters i'd love to see stuff like that.

Essentials of Weightlifting and Strength Training, 2nd Edition

That book was clearly written by a deranged 8-year-old. I do not recommend it.

Check out the workouts on performancemenu.com. Solid programming--usually a strength block followed by a "Bulgarian" block, and low enough volume that I think it shouldn't be too hard to work in with the other stuff you're doing.

This is also pretty legit:
http://www.criticalbench.com/...ightlifting.htm

As far as book-learnin' goes, the most practical materials would probably be Tamas Feher's "Olympic Weightlifting" (www.strengthsport.net), Greg Everett's "Olympic Weightlifting" (performancemenu.com), and Medvedev's "A program of multi-year training in weighlifting" (elitefts).

http://williamwayland.blogspot...

Check out Werner Günthör's program, which includes olympic plyometric and a few other methods

as for books

Olympic Weight-Lifting with Body-Building for All by Jim Halliday, addmitedly a 1950's book but interesting for a development context

Olympic Weightlifting: A Complete Guide for Athletes & Coaches
Greg Everett

A good accompaniment to Roman's "The Training of the Weightlifter" can be found here:

http://olylift.blogspot.com

Other useful stuff:

Bulgarian
http://mikesgym.org/...mp;articleID=14

http://mikesgym.org/...mp;articleID=13

http://mikesgym.org/...amp;articleID=9

http://mikesgym.org/...amp;articleID=3

http://weightliftingexchange.c...

Polish
http://mikesgym.org/...amp;articleID=7

The Greek system is pretty much the same as the Bulgarian. There's an article in Milo which lays it out - can't remember the issue number but it's the one with Dimas and Iakovou in - but it's the same kind of stripped down approach.

Drechsler's "Weightlifting Encyclopedia" has some summaries of various countries' training styles.

The current Russian style is difficult to pin down, as a lot of the top lifters have their own personal coaches and write their own programs.

The Ironmind "Creating Champions" DVD will give you an idea of the Georgian approach that produced Khakiasvilis, Kolecki, Azinidze, Kasabiev.

Wow. GREAT links. Suleymanoglu snatching close to 2x BW at 12 years old? Ridiculous.

How about a free classic from Dan John?

http://danjohn.org/book.html

thank you thank you thank you gentlemen!

Damn that book is solid gold.

awesome.

check out the oly lift training log in the logs forum. It is a good way to see what real dudes are getting from they're coaches.

A majority of the training day goes into the main 2 lifts. i find my best success comes from doing both lifts each session. Especially for a beginner getting more reps with the movements helps you learn faster and get neurally adapted.

I stagger the lifts so that one day the snatch is light speed lifts for 3's or so and the C&J is heavy 2's and 1's. then the reverse.

It is hard to find defined programs that outline the course of several weeks. That's probably because over the course of time each lifter reacts differently. A lot of the soviet shit that you can find in english mentions that some lifters can go for way more volume at heavy weights than others but need their "light" or deloading weeks way more often. one researcher mentions that they had a few athletes that trained like beasts but would have a shitty week every third one. but once they started giving them a light week every 3 they would catch Pr's the monday after the light week.

anyhow bullet point is that if you are getting flogged and start having more than 1 day day in a row you might need to alter the outlined programs. or if you are still having monster days where you grow a second dick then ride that bitch out for a bit. especially if you are a beginner.

Are there no legit coaches in your area. I thought that shit was all over the US?

-chris

I don't want to compete in O-lifting, otherwise I would pursue a great coach. I'm just researching out of interest, and trying to see how I can apply certain attributes to my sport performance.

You don't have to compete in oly lifting to need a coach. If you want the optimal advantages the sport offers, a coach is a wise decision. Thats why most people never reap the true benefits of oly lifting- they're not properly taught/coached and thus don't train efficiently.

what oly lifts do you guys think are the best for sports?

I agree with dfreezy. The difference between having a coach and not is the difference between actually doing the "olympic lifts" and just kind of mimicing the lifts. And im not saying that anyone without a coach is doing it wrong.

What i am saying is that the two classic lifts are the kind of lift where it is impossible to coach yourself. If you try and scope your form in mid rep you have just fucked it up. you need someone to view you from a 3rd person at least until you have enough experience to be able to use how a lift "felt" as a reference point.

They happen (or should) so fast and require 100% concentration that looking for your own coaching points should be impossible. that being said, its better to include them if you have the equipment than not.

Also, xen is an experienced athlete and seems resourceful enough to figure shit out without dislocating a shoulder. Whereas another less experienced athlete that went along and tried out some uncoached o lifts would highly likely have a clean staple his neck to the floor behind him.

-chris

actually im willing to get i could finally clean 3 wheels if i got a damn coach. im taking a little bit of time off from muay thai (some problems with my coach and i'm getting burned out)... i might just take this time to get REALLY fucking strong meanwhile.

you guys are convincing me to just find an oly gym and call it a day :-p

oly gym + gymnastics rings in my free time probably = win.

For me, learning the Olympic lifts was a lot like learning how to punch or kick. Sure you can buy Baz Rutten's street defense video and get the gist, but there are nuances that make or break technique that won't be found in a video. Even for a general level of competency, it's much easier to learn from a real coach than to try and teach yourself.

^that analogy makes me feel like an idiot for not getting a coach thanks. (asshole)

Mmmmmm
So since you guys say that the C&J and Snatch should pretty much just be done with a coach. What about other olympic variations that are useful for athletes?

On this site..it shows olympic style lifts and such which would benefit an athlete to some extent.
www.exrx.net/Lists/PowerExercises.html

I'm assuming that push press and hang jump shrug and high pulls would be good for neck/traps for contact sports and a good tool other than regualr neck work?

I'm guessing the power variations are ok.

Just curious. What do you guys think my olifting potential would be?

I almost worked up to a 315 (290 is the actual lift) power clean and for a little guy like me thats not too bad think I was about 180 at the time in double digit bodyfat. I did 275 earlier at the gym and i'm 170 single digit bodyfat right now.

workout was

jump squats 8x2
power cleans + front squats 8x 1+2 (275 last couple sets)
snatch pull floor + hang 6x 1+2 (315 last couple sets)
good mornings 4x8 all sets

xen whats your max squat and front squat?
that seems good man.
i've never done any cleans or anything, i tried hang cleans but pretty much just use all arms...
im also trying to find a coach for myself to learn the lifts so i can incorporate them

did you make that workout up by yourself?