Building High-Performance Muscle™
Indigo Project Logs
 
BobFather5's Indigo-3G Log
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

drewmoore867 wrote:
They work out at the same time I do, I structure my time around them or vice versa so that we don't need equipment at the same time. My boys are 8/10/15, my 8/10 year olds do bodyweight work only with agility ladders/cones/conditioning, my 15 year old lifts. My 12 year old daughter also joins, I keep her to bodyweight work and conditioning as well.


Bob - my wife and I are struggling to get our 11 year old daughter to move her body. She resents being told what to do (even if it's a suggestion) - mirror check there for me. She also avoids discomfort - though she likes TKD sparring and doesn't mind getting kicked in the head. I was thinking about building intensity with her so slowly that she almost doesn't feel it, while we work out together. Unfortunately, I don't have older kids to pull her through.

What have you seen here? Any suggestions?


Well, it is very difficult! We know what they need to do but can't get them to see it, God, if we had the info then that we do now! Anyway, my experience has seen some similairities. My younger boys were gung ho in the beginning, were having a LOT of fun, then I think things got a little harder, I was maybe having them overdo it so then they stopped doing it, I NEVER FORCE anything for fear it will kill their willingness to ever do it. Anyway, I think at their ages(8 and 10) and your daughters age, it has to be fun for them. So I went back to doing the fun things(the love sprints/agility ladders/cones) and I do reward them, each child has things that they like. I don't give money or "Snacks" as that sends the wrong message. but a movie or some itunes or something now and then, has worked. Also, them just seeing how much fun my oldest son has and I am having helps, and always being POSITIVE about activity. Your daughter sounds great, any girl that can enjoy that sparring isn't one to mess with:) LOL

My best suggestion, is to make up some fun activities and draw her out, she will get there and for an 11 year old, fun is paramount to anything! Hope that helps!

  Report
 

StandTall
Level 100

Join date: Dec 2006
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 1037

BobFather5 wrote:
drewmoore867 wrote:
They work out at the same time I do, I structure my time around them or vice versa so that we don't need equipment at the same time. My boys are 8/10/15, my 8/10 year olds do bodyweight work only with agility ladders/cones/conditioning, my 15 year old lifts. My 12 year old daughter also joins, I keep her to bodyweight work and conditioning as well.


Bob - my wife and I are struggling to get our 11 year old daughter to move her body. She resents being told what to do (even if it's a suggestion) - mirror check there for me. She also avoids discomfort - though she likes TKD sparring and doesn't mind getting kicked in the head. I was thinking about building intensity with her so slowly that she almost doesn't feel it, while we work out together. Unfortunately, I don't have older kids to pull her through.

What have you seen here? Any suggestions?


Well, it is very difficult! We know what they need to do but can't get them to see it, God, if we had the info then that we do now! Anyway, my experience has seen some similairities. My younger boys were gung ho in the beginning, were having a LOT of fun, then I think things got a little harder, I was maybe having them overdo it so then they stopped doing it, I NEVER FORCE anything for fear it will kill their willingness to ever do it. Anyway, I think at their ages(8 and 10) and your daughters age, it has to be fun for them. So I went back to doing the fun things(the love sprints/agility ladders/cones) and I do reward them, each child has things that they like. I don't give money or "Snacks" as that sends the wrong message. but a movie or some itunes or something now and then, has worked. Also, them just seeing how much fun my oldest son has and I am having helps, and always being POSITIVE about activity. Your daughter sounds great, any girl that can enjoy that sparring isn't one to mess with:) LOL

My best suggestion, is to make up some fun activities and draw her out, she will get there and for an 11 year old, fun is paramount to anything! Hope that helps!

Find a way to make it a competition. Compete against you and or herself or whatever.

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

StandTall wrote:
BobFather5 wrote:
drewmoore867 wrote:
They work out at the same time I do, I structure my time around them or vice versa so that we don't need equipment at the same time. My boys are 8/10/15, my 8/10 year olds do bodyweight work only with agility ladders/cones/conditioning, my 15 year old lifts. My 12 year old daughter also joins, I keep her to bodyweight work and conditioning as well.


Bob - my wife and I are struggling to get our 11 year old daughter to move her body. She resents being told what to do (even if it's a suggestion) - mirror check there for me. She also avoids discomfort - though she likes TKD sparring and doesn't mind getting kicked in the head. I was thinking about building intensity with her so slowly that she almost doesn't feel it, while we work out together. Unfortunately, I don't have older kids to pull her through.

What have you seen here? Any suggestions?


Well, it is very difficult! We know what they need to do but can't get them to see it, God, if we had the info then that we do now! Anyway, my experience has seen some similairities. My younger boys were gung ho in the beginning, were having a LOT of fun, then I think things got a little harder, I was maybe having them overdo it so then they stopped doing it, I NEVER FORCE anything for fear it will kill their willingness to ever do it. Anyway, I think at their ages(8 and 10) and your daughters age, it has to be fun for them. So I went back to doing the fun things(the love sprints/agility ladders/cones) and I do reward them, each child has things that they like. I don't give money or "Snacks" as that sends the wrong message. but a movie or some itunes or something now and then, has worked. Also, them just seeing how much fun my oldest son has and I am having helps, and always being POSITIVE about activity. Your daughter sounds great, any girl that can enjoy that sparring isn't one to mess with:) LOL

My best suggestion, is to make up some fun activities and draw her out, she will get there and for an 11 year old, fun is paramount to anything! Hope that helps!

Find a way to make it a competition. Compete against you and or herself or whatever.


yep standtall, kids love to see/make progress as much or more than we do! My best friends daughter was a little overweight, they instilled some of the eating principles from this and she has dropped 16 lbs in 2 months, she is doing really well and you can see how much happier she is, I am very proud of her!

  Report
 

howie424
Level 10

Join date: Jul 2007
Location:
Posts: 1412

BobFather5 wrote:
Ok Howie, read your reply in Synergy log, I think I am 8 hours from him, so you are in the middle. Where @ in SD? My former sister in law(who I am SO VERY CLOSE TO) lives in Yankton, is a doctor up there, I get out to see them a few times a year. Let me know. I would love to get to meet some of the OUTSTANDING in the Indigo family:)

Bob


Bob,

I live in the Groton area, a few hours north of Yankton. I'd be more than happy to show you around and train with you. I have yet to meet any other of our awesome Indigo teammates, so I would really like to do that.

I think that it would be stellar just to be able to get together and throw shot. It's one of my favorite things to do (although I'm quite a noob at it, lol) and it's cool to have another person who shares the love for it!

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

4/05/12

6:00 am out of indigo for 1 day,treadmill,BC-
7:00am 1 cup oatmeal with 2 scoops protein and 4 oz of almond milk -3 FA3
11:00am OUT OF INDIGO:( But package arrived later on THursday
12:00pm proteing drink
4:00 pm began peri - 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
5:30 pm abs/conditioning
7:00 pm protein drink
9:00pm 4 Flameout
10:00pm bed

4/06/12

6:00 am 1st Dose Indigo-3G,45 minutes on treadmill,BC- note, taking my bc 15 minutes before the I3G
7:00am 1 cup oatmeal with 2 scoops protein and 4 oz of almond milk -3 FA3
11:00am 2nd dose Indigo-3G
12:00pm chicken breast- baked Potatoe
4:00 pm 3rd dose Indigo-3G
5:00 pm began peri - 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
5:45 pm whole body workout
7:00 pm lean ground beef/protein drink
9:00pm 4 Flameout
10:00pm bed

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

howie424 wrote:
BobFather5 wrote:
Ok Howie, read your reply in Synergy log, I think I am 8 hours from him, so you are in the middle. Where @ in SD? My former sister in law(who I am SO VERY CLOSE TO) lives in Yankton, is a doctor up there, I get out to see them a few times a year. Let me know. I would love to get to meet some of the OUTSTANDING in the Indigo family:)

Bob


Bob,

I live in the Groton area, a few hours north of Yankton. I'd be more than happy to show you around and train with you. I have yet to meet any other of our awesome Indigo teammates, so I would really like to do that.

I think that it would be stellar just to be able to get together and throw shot. It's one of my favorite things to do (although I'm quite a noob at it, lol) and it's cool to have another person who shares the love for it!


awesome! my May and July are somewhat full, but I will hit you up about a possible June time, need to coordinate 5 kid schedules which isn't always easy, will also by contacting Synergy between now and then, would be my honor to meet some of you great peops!

  Report
 

drewmoore867
Level 100

Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 387

Bob,

Think I read that you're on Facebook. We have an Indigo group there. Probably the easiest way to find it is to find Tunya in Hawaii or me in Austin.

Drew

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

4/08/12

6:00 am 1st Dose Indigo-3G,45 minutes on treadmill,Brain Candy - note, taking my Brain Candy 15 minutes before the Indigo-3G
7:00am 1 cup oatmeal with 2 scoops protein and 4 oz of almond milk -3 FA3
11:00am 2nd dose Indigo-3G
12:00pm lean ground beef- baked Potatoe
4:00 pm 3rd dose Indigo-3G
5:00 pm began peri - 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
5:45 pm whole body workout
7:00 pm protein drink
9:00pm 4 Flameout
10:00pm bed

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

4/09/12

5:00 am 45 minutes on treadmill,Brain Candy
6:00 am 1st Dose Indigo-3G
7:00am 1 cup oatmeal with 2 scoops protein and 4 oz of almond milk -3 FA3
11:00am 2nd dose Indigo-3G
12:00pm lean ground beef- baked Potatoe
4:00 pm 3rd dose Indigo-3G
5:00 pm began peri - 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
5:45 pm Abs, band work, SPRINTS(See Below)
7:00 pm protein drink
9:00pm 4 Flameout
10:00pm bed

Well, training my 15 and 10 year old sons yesterday, had them doing sprints, I have not done them in so long. My hip flexors are still tight/sore, but I decided to try them with the boys.

OMG/WOW/WONDERFUL, I cannot believe how great they felt, I didn't run a lot, I didn't sprint far, 20 yard sprints was my limit, but by the end, my energy was as high as I can remember, I felt phenomenal. Let's just say that my goal is to become Explosive and sprints are now going to be a very regular part of my workouts:)

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

4/10/12

5:00 am 45 minutes on treadmill,Brain Candy
6:00 am 1st Dose Indigo-3G
7:00am 1 cup oatmeal with 2 scoops protein and 4 oz of almond milk -3 FA3
11:00am 2nd dose Indigo-3G
12:00pm lean ground beef- baked Potatoe
4:00 pm 3rd dose Indigo-3G
5:00 pm began peri - 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
5:45 pm Abs, band work,legs hurting from sprints yesterday, wow do they hurt:)
7:00 pm lean ground beef, chicken breast
9:00pm 4 Flameout
10:00pm bed

  Report
 

drewmoore867
Level 100

Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 387

BobFather5 wrote:
OMG/WOW/WONDERFUL, I cannot believe how great they felt, I didn't run a lot, I didn't sprint far, 20 yard sprints was my limit, but by the end, my energy was as high as I can remember, I felt phenomenal. Let's just say that my goal is to become Explosive and sprints are now going to be a very regular part of my workouts:)


Yes!

I think it's a key not to let them become a drag/dread. 16 x 140yds became more mental prior to performance than actually doing it...

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

drewmoore867 wrote:
BobFather5 wrote:
OMG/WOW/WONDERFUL, I cannot believe how great they felt, I didn't run a lot, I didn't sprint far, 20 yard sprints was my limit, but by the end, my energy was as high as I can remember, I felt phenomenal. Let's just say that my goal is to become Explosive and sprints are now going to be a very regular part of my workouts:)


Yes!

I think it's a key not to let them become a drag/dread. 16 x 140yds became more mental prior to performance than actually doing it...



Yes Drew, there is something mental about 140yds:) LOL

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

date/weight:

1/5/12 - 290
1/12/12- 270
1/19/12- 262
1/26/12- 258
2/02/12- 255
2/09/12- 248
2/16/12- 245
2/23/12- 241
3/01/12- 237
3/08/12- 235
3/15/12- 233
3/22/12- 228
3/29/12- 226
4/4/12 - 222
4/12/12- 218

Folks, I don't even know what to say, I am floored at how the results keep coming, and I am having the time of my life with this! Any lurkers out there who want to change their life, MAKE the commitment and get ALL IN, you will NOT BE SORRY!



  Report
 

drewmoore867
Level 100

Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 387

BobFather5 wrote:
date/weight:

4/12/12- 218



Have you given any thought to where you want to end up? 6' 1 1/2" and ??? lbs?

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

drewmoore867 wrote:
BobFather5 wrote:
date/weight:

4/12/12- 218



Have you given any thought to where you want to end up? 6' 1 1/2" and ??? lbs?


That is a great question, and Yes, I have given it lots of thought, it seems to be an evolving thing, you know, originally, with a goal of 60 lbs lost by July 13, then hitting 68 lbs by April 4th, that threw me for a loop. I want to get to a point where the NUMBER doesn't matter, I would like to be VERY lean, but want to add some mass, so ultimately would like to achieve that at whatever # is optimal for me and not sure where that stands right now, I am going to continue to lose all the fat I can while building muscle:)

  Report
 

drewmoore867
Level 100

Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 387

BobFather5 wrote:
I would like to be VERY lean, but want to add some mass, so ultimately would like to achieve that at whatever # is optimal for me and not sure where that stands right now, I am going to continue to lose all the fat I can while building muscle:)


I think that's the right strategy.

As I was on my own (minor) version of your journey there were some transitions I had to make. People started telling me that I looked thin or sick as I got very lean - i think primarily because my face gets very thin below a certain body fat level. Though I thought I looked better and certainly felt better, I had to reconcile these comments.

When I got DEXA the first time, I had to wrap my mind around the fact that my lean body mass was 150 lbs - which sounds tiny for someone who's used to being bigger and heavier than average - though a bunch of it was useless fat.

My current state is a pretty solid 188 but in clothes because muscle is so much denser than fat, people would probably guess that I weigh 170. There's a high-school junior in me somewhere that wants to be bigger and heavier than that but there's a creaky part of my low back that complains over 190.

I guess in short - there's still a voice in my head that whispers things that are not in my best interest that I have to reconcile or tune out. I act faster to correct when I go off track now. The biggest thing I've taken from my Indigo experience is that training for performance and explosion will naturally produce the other effects that I'm looking for.

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

I would like to get my bodyfat tested, I had done it years ago at a local university, they used exercise science students and did it for practice, only $25.

I remember reading an article, I believe by CS, where he used to think if he got under 200 it would sound smallish, but that isn't true and I used to be that way too. My ultimate goal is to throw away the scale. I am chasing the LEAN/MEAN/MUSCULAR look!!

  Report
 

drewmoore867
Level 100

Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 387

BobFather5 wrote:
I would like to get my bodyfat tested, I had done it years ago at a local university, they used exercise science students and did it for practice, only $25.


I would image they have DEXA at the athletic department at the University of Nebraska. Lbomb might be able to help you figure that out. It's very cool.

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

drewmoore867 wrote:
BobFather5 wrote:
I would like to get my bodyfat tested, I had done it years ago at a local university, they used exercise science students and did it for practice, only $25.


I would image they have DEXA at the athletic department at the University of Nebraska. Lbomb might be able to help you figure that out. It's very cool.



Might be worth a shot, better start sending LBomb some care packages:)

  Report
 

Lonnie123
Level 5

Join date: Jun 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 6064

Throw the scale away Bob!! I know its a powerful tool to measure progress, but I much prefer the tape measure and the mirror. The scale can be your worst enemy as you get "smaller and smaller" - Heck, as I approached the contest deadline this year I STOPPED MEASURING MY WEIGHT because I didnt want to be influenced by how small I was getting. I relied on PERFORMANCE and the mirror, with intelligently tweaking my diet.

The good news is:

1 - You started fat... I know that sounds dumb, but fat guys typically carry around lots of muscle under that blubber. Studies show that even guys who dont train can gain something like 10-15% of their weight gain as MUSCLE. Crazy, but true.

2 - You began training and dieting VERY intelligently, taking FULL advantage of "newbie gains" - This means that you will DEFINITELY add muscle AND lose fat at the same time, resulting in a crazy transformation. People will "talk"...

3 - You have a community here that supports you. This may sound crazy but people at work, even your family, might tell you things like "you deserve a break" or "you are getting too skinny" when you still have 50-60 pounds to lose. THEY DONT WANT YOU TO SHOW THEM IT CAN BE DONE! When I got very lean last year I heard that kind of stuff all the time - "You need to stop dieting", "you are getting too skinny" ... But I have my goals and I know what needs to be done.

Stick to your plan, and hang around this community, and you'll achieve greatness Bob, I have no doubt in my mind.

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

Lonnie123 wrote:
Throw the scale away Bob!! I know its a powerful tool to measure progress, but I much prefer the tape measure and the mirror. The scale can be your worst enemy as you get "smaller and smaller" - Heck, as I approached the contest deadline this year I STOPPED MEASURING MY WEIGHT because I didnt want to be influenced by how small I was getting. I relied on PERFORMANCE and the mirror, with intelligently tweaking my diet.

The good news is:

1 - You started fat... I know that sounds dumb, but fat guys typically carry around lots of muscle under that blubber. Studies show that even guys who dont train can gain something like 10-15% of their weight gain as MUSCLE. Crazy, but true.

2 - You began training and dieting VERY intelligently, taking FULL advantage of "newbie gains" - This means that you will DEFINITELY add muscle AND lose fat at the same time, resulting in a crazy transformation. People will "talk"...

3 - You have a community here that supports you. This may sound crazy but people at work, even your family, might tell you things like "you deserve a break" or "you are getting too skinny" when you still have 50-60 pounds to lose. THEY DONT WANT YOU TO SHOW THEM IT CAN BE DONE! When I got very lean last year I heard that kind of stuff all the time - "You need to stop dieting", "you are getting too skinny" ... But I have my goals and I know what needs to be done.

Stick to your plan, and hang around this community, and you'll achieve greatness Bob, I have no doubt in my mind.



Lonnie, can't remember if you are on the BC right now, but great post, and none of it sounds dumb or crazy, makes complete sense. I will be sticking around "this community" as long as you all with have me, I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and say it, especially with the big weekend upcoming!!!!! We are all pulling for ya!

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

@All, Today is a great day, also a little sad. Today my kids and I leave for a weeks vacation, which is fantastic, I am a blessed man and can't wait. We are going to UNPLUG from the world. Tonight we turn off our cell phones, no computers, no cell phones, no tv, for 1 week, we will just enjoy the cruise:) Which also leads to some sadness, honestly, not sure how I will do without the daily spill and the logs and articles, T-Nation is as much a part of my day as getting up and going to work.

With that said, if you post in my log while I am gone, take no offense to not hearing back until at least 4/21, when we plug back into the world:)

Take care and have a wonderful Indigo week!!!!!

Bob

  Report
 

StandTall
Level 100

Join date: Dec 2006
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 1037

BobFather5 wrote:
@All, Today is a great day, also a little sad. Today my kids and I leave for a weeks vacation, which is fantastic, I am a blessed man and can't wait. We are going to UNPLUG from the world. Tonight we turn off our cell phones, no computers, no cell phones, no tv, for 1 week, we will just enjoy the cruise:) Which also leads to some sadness, honestly, not sure how I will do without the daily spill and the logs and articles, T-Nation is as much a part of my day as getting up and going to work.

With that said, if you post in my log while I am gone, take no offense to not hearing back until at least 4/21, when we plug back into the world:)

Take care and have a wonderful Indigo week!!!!!

Bob

Bob,
You will likely lose even more weight on a media diet. Not joking.

  Report
 

Lonnie123
Level 5

Join date: Jun 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 6064

Hope you're having a fun, safe trip Bob! The weights will be here when you get back, dont worry.

  Report
 

BobFather5
Level 10

Join date: Mar 2003
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 342

WHEW, glad to be back! Had a great trip with my kids, I was able to workout a few times on the ship, it had some free weights(dumbbells) and some decent equipment. Got out of my groove a little and look forward to catching up on the spills I missed. Hope everyone is doing great!!!!!

  Report