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sexyxe wrote:
jskrabac wrote:
pgtips wrote:
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This is exactly how I dieted for my upcoming show! What a coincidence.


How did you feel whilst doing it?



Oh man, I felt great and I got ripped!


I'm still not sure if you're joking.

OP how is it going?


It's going great thanks! dropped 2 pounds since my first post, although I cheated bit last night and added the last of the bacon in the fridge to save it going to waste, so any "proof" that this little experment of mine is any good is not gonna hold nay weight but oh well, m enjoying it.

I'm going to the shop today and I'm only gonna buy different potatoes to keep it interesting, saw some potatoes that were purple all the way through and have been engineered to have similair antioxidant qualities to blueberries, if not for that, having a plate of purple mash will be an interesting experience, almost like eating from the cantina on star wars...

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Facepalm_Death wrote:
batman730 wrote:
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browndisaster wrote:
lolol eat some protein idiot
eating potatoes for carbs is otherwise a very good idea

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How would eating basically nothing but carbs work?


Depends on what you mean by "work". When I was first living on my own I essentially lived off brown rice and a very little bit of occasional tuna, veg, eggs and dairy for the better part of 6 months(plus beer on special occasions). Still, it was over 95% brown rice. I got pretty damn lean. It was more of a money thing than a diet thing, but it "worked" by most people's dietary standards.

I'm not recommending this. At all. I'm just sayin' there's more than one way to skin a cat...

Fair enough, but with no protein I imagine there would be a loss of muscle mass... not sure how that fits anyones goals


You imagine? Potatoes have protein bro. If you eat enough potatoes you will get more than enough protein. USADA studies show that even athletes dont need more than 8-10 precent of calories from protein. Plus vegetables have all essential amino acids ;)

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Just to clarify, please don't take my OP seriously. I didn't think anyone would. No competitor or person serious about physique improvement in their right mind would eat nothing but potatoes.

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Chris Colucci
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kollib wrote:
You imagine? Potatoes have protein bro. If you eat enough potatoes you will get more than enough protein. USADA studies show that even athletes dont need more than 8-10 precent of calories from protein. Plus vegetables have all essential amino acids ;)

These statements make me genuinely worried for the 16-year old athletes you mentioned training in your other thread. Please don't give them nutrition advice.



EDIT: Re-reading, I'm pretty sure I didn't catch your sarcasm on the first go'round, so now I feel like a doof. Carry on.

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Chris Colucci wrote:
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Yea I totaly agree with you that it is not going to help any way in building muscle, but I don't think I'll lose too much muscle. My goal is pure vanity. I wanna lose a bit of fat thats stuck about from when I was a fat little kid and this sounds like a fun way to do it cause I love me tatas.

What will your workouts look like for these next two weeks? If you train any differently than you've been for the last few months, understand that you'll skew the results of your experiment pretty significantly. In any case, before and after photos will obviously be the ideal way to determine progress.

That's one thing I didn't see any mention of on the original site - exercise. A high carb, high fiber, low fat, low protein, low calorie diet will result in weight loss, for sure. The number on the scale will go down and that's part of what made the guy call this a success. We, as people who lift regularly, have different requirements and different expectations compared to the average person.

Dr. Clay Hyght actually wrote about the pros and cons of low fat/high carb diets here:
http://www.T-Nation.com/...ders_should_eat
He mentions the benefits of high carb intake and insulin, but again, that's presuming sufficient protein intake along with the carbs.

Potatoes may have some protein, but 30 or even 50 grams of low quality protein won't be enough to support a 170-pound guy's hard training routine. I'm saying this as someone who self-experimented with vegetariansism and veganism (two months total)... give it a shot if you want to, but be smart about it. Track different measurables, stay strict, and include as few variables as possible.


Hi Chris, I don't go to the gym as I can't afford it but I do have a dooray chinup bar which I use everyday, as well as do push ups, "Third World Squats". I also run pretty much every other day - nothing major.

I would put photos online but I'm not too keen on the idea of putting pictures of myself online.

Thanks for the advice :) I can see that it is not the best way to improve physique but I find it to be an interesting experiment none the less, although I'm sorely tempted to use some meat (I'm craving chorizo!!) just to add a bit more bite and flavour!

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pgtips wrote:
Hi Chris, I don't go to the gym as I can't afford it but I do have a dooray chinup bar which I use everyday, as well as do push ups, "Third World Squats". I also run pretty much every other day - nothing major.

I would put photos online but I'm not too keen on the idea of putting pictures of myself online.

Thanks for the advice :) I can see that it is not the best way to improve physique but I find it to be an interesting experiment none the less, although I'm sorely tempted to use some meat (I'm craving chorizo!!) just to add a bit more bite and flavour!

I hear 'ya, no problem. Stick with it as best you can. Consider maybe taking pics, or at least measurements, for your own records.

Where are you calorie-wise? Are you getting about as many potato-full calories as you were before the diet? That's something else the original guy mentioned; it was hard to get in the same total daily calories, which would also equate to basic weight loss.

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Chris Colucci wrote:
pgtips wrote:
Hi Chris, I don't go to the gym as I can't afford it but I do have a dooray chinup bar which I use everyday, as well as do push ups, "Third World Squats". I also run pretty much every other day - nothing major.

I would put photos online but I'm not too keen on the idea of putting pictures of myself online.

Thanks for the advice :) I can see that it is not the best way to improve physique but I find it to be an interesting experiment none the less, although I'm sorely tempted to use some meat (I'm craving chorizo!!) just to add a bit more bite and flavour!

I hear 'ya, no problem. Stick with it as best you can. Consider maybe taking pics, or at least measurements, for your own records.

Where are you calorie-wise? Are you getting about as many potato-full calories as you were before the diet? That's something else the original guy mentioned; it was hard to get in the same total daily calories, which would also equate to basic weight loss.


I'm taking measurements of weight, and I'll post them every other day plus I'll also go by what I see in the mirror.

Calorie wise im hitting 1800 - 2000, and yea, it's hard to fit the total calories cause they are crazily filling and I tend to eat most of my calories at night and just snack in the day.

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kollib wrote:
Facepalm_Death wrote:
batman730 wrote:
Facepalm_Death wrote:
browndisaster wrote:
lolol eat some protein idiot
eating potatoes for carbs is otherwise a very good idea

X2
How would eating basically nothing but carbs work?


Depends on what you mean by "work". When I was first living on my own I essentially lived off brown rice and a very little bit of occasional tuna, veg, eggs and dairy for the better part of 6 months(plus beer on special occasions). Still, it was over 95% brown rice. I got pretty damn lean. It was more of a money thing than a diet thing, but it "worked" by most people's dietary standards.

I'm not recommending this. At all. I'm just sayin' there's more than one way to skin a cat...

Fair enough, but with no protein I imagine there would be a loss of muscle mass... not sure how that fits anyones goals


You imagine? Potatoes have protein bro. If you eat enough potatoes you will get more than enough protein. USADA studies show that even athletes dont need more than 8-10 precent of calories from protein. Plus vegetables have all essential amino acids ;)


I didn't literally mean 0g of protein, but, as others have noted, 20 potatoes/day will yield about 30-50g protein which is barely the RDA for a sedentary person.

What is the rationale behind achieving a caloric deficit by eliminating MOST proteins and fats and replacing them with carbs? Why potatoes? Why not 2000 kcals worth of spinach everyday? Wouldn't that be better? Why not carrots, celery, kale, apples, bananas, rice or beans? Someone could make thousands of different diets that each consist of one thing but WHY, why go out of ones way to eat a NON-balanced diet when a balanced one will always be better?

In other words, how is this potato diet not an attempt at creating a fad?

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Facepalm_Death wrote:
kollib wrote:
Facepalm_Death wrote:
batman730 wrote:
Facepalm_Death wrote:
browndisaster wrote:
lolol eat some protein idiot
eating potatoes for carbs is otherwise a very good idea

X2
How would eating basically nothing but carbs work?


Depends on what you mean by "work". When I was first living on my own I essentially lived off brown rice and a very little bit of occasional tuna, veg, eggs and dairy for the better part of 6 months(plus beer on special occasions). Still, it was over 95% brown rice. I got pretty damn lean. It was more of a money thing than a diet thing, but it "worked" by most people's dietary standards.

I'm not recommending this. At all. I'm just sayin' there's more than one way to skin a cat...

Fair enough, but with no protein I imagine there would be a loss of muscle mass... not sure how that fits anyones goals


You imagine? Potatoes have protein bro. If you eat enough potatoes you will get more than enough protein. USADA studies show that even athletes dont need more than 8-10 precent of calories from protein. Plus vegetables have all essential amino acids ;)


I didn't literally mean 0g of protein, but, as others have noted, 20 potatoes/day will yield about 30-50g protein which is barely the RDA for a sedentary person.

What is the rationale behind achieving a caloric deficit by eliminating MOST proteins and fats and replacing them with carbs? Why potatoes? Why not 2000 kcals worth of spinach everyday? Wouldn't that be better? Why not carrots, celery, kale, apples, bananas, rice or beans? Someone could make thousands of different diets that each consist of one thing but WHY, why go out of ones way to eat a NON-balanced diet when a balanced one will always be better?

In other words, how is this potato diet not an attempt at creating a fad?



Well, and again I'm not advocating this, but I hear people say again an again how they'd like to eat healthy, lose weight etc, etc, but they are just so "overwhelmed by the massive amounts of confusing and conflicting diet info out there". I never understood this thinking, but it seems to be common enough.

So, if a person simply cannot get their head around what they ought to put in their mouth on a day to day basis there is a certain crude elegance to telling them to eat "this" (insert single food item here: potatoes, grapes, protein shakes, whatever) at a daily caloric deficit for a relatively short period of time just to cut through all the "it's too hard to figure out" excuses and disrupt negative dietary patterns and food addictions. "Monodieting" in one form or another has been around for a while. I don't think it's optimal at all, but I can see the sense in certain applications.

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From this article : healthknot.com/essential_amino_acids.html

"Just how hard it is to satisfy your protein/EAA needs? Not as hard as you may think. Even taking a food with the lowest protein content in the above table, baked potato, as the only food consumed, you need not to worry. If you are an average 75kg male, consuming all your daily 2800 calories from baked potato (about 3kg of it) would provide you with a total of 23g of essential amino acids, and 62g of total protein.

Your total protein intake from potato alone, at 0.83g/kg, is 10% greater than the safe recommended level of 0.75g/kg. It is even better with indispensable amino acids supplied: corrected for the limiting amino acid ratio of 7/16 (methionine + cysteine), it comes to 10g of the effective EAA supply, or 60% over the recommended safe minimum of 6.3g a day.

However, potato-only-diet would fall short in supplying non-essential amino acids, providing 39g vs. officially recommended 50g. While 39g would still be within satisfactory for most individuals, it would probably be sub-optimal for some."

Note "they" (in quotes because no sources are listed on this page; nevertheless their recommendations lean towards low protein intake and primarily vegetable sources) recommend .75g protein/kg bw, or in standard measures, .34g/lb, an extremely low figure for any discussion of physique related goals.

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So?

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This is another one of those horse shit diets. Oh, and speaking of which, you can get the same result eating said horse shit.

There is nothing new here. Eating a single article for weight loss works. But it's weight, not necessarily fat. There is the grape diet, the fruit only diet, the "detox" vege juice diet, the grapefruit diet, etc, etc.

You will lose weight in the form of body fluids/water (your body is 70% water so easy to drop weight there) and muscle mass. You might even drop some body fat.

If you want to drop fat, and not just body weight, then you have to have your diet nailed down tight. That includes high protein with fats for energy. Have fun with your experiment. You will be a lot lighter at the end. Probably just as fat, but lighter. You know, skinny fat.

You can die from protein deficiency (i.e. the potato famine in Ireland). It even has a sexy name and all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tein_deficiency

But you can't die from carb deficiency. Oh, you can die from too many carbs though (i.e. obesity, diabetes, etc).

So, enjoy your experiment. Enjoy the bounce back later too, when your starved body stores everything as fat in survival mode. You will be lighter, fatter, weaker and with less muscle mass. Later, you can do it right. It's all good experience.

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That's some serious hate right there.

Albeit for a stupid idea.

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Triceptaurus wrote:
This is another one of those horse shit diets. Oh, and speaking of which, you can get the same result eating said horse shit.

There is nothing new here. Eating a single article for weight loss works. But it's weight, not necessarily fat. There is the grape diet, the fruit only diet, the "detox" vege juice diet, the grapefruit diet, etc, etc.

You will lose weight in the form of body fluids/water (your body is 70% water so easy to drop weight there) and muscle mass. You might even drop some body fat.

If you want to drop fat, and not just body weight, then you have to have your diet nailed down tight. That includes high protein with fats for energy. Have fun with your experiment. You will be a lot lighter at the end. Probably just as fat, but lighter. You know, skinny fat.

You can die from protein deficiency (i.e. the potato famine in Ireland). It even has a sexy name and all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tein_deficiency

But you can't die from carb deficiency. Oh, you can die from too many carbs though (i.e. obesity, diabetes, etc).

So, enjoy your experiment. Enjoy the bounce back later too, when your starved body stores everything as fat in survival mode. You will be lighter, fatter, weaker and with less muscle mass. Later, you can do it right. It's all good experience.


OK, you don't need to be so angry. I was just doing it out of interest.

PS. The Potato famine was not about protein deficiency, it was about the potato (The staple Irish crop) being killed off by a plant disease. Population that mainly consumed potatoes + loss of said potatoed = Famine. Not people eating potato = protein famine. so at your point that people don't die of a carb famine, actually, thats what the potato famine essentially was.

I did not at one point say it will make me big and strong, I said I was doing it cause apparently it helps with weight loss and was doing out of INTEREST.

I caved in about 4 days ago anyway when my strength started going down and I got offered a fine smellin spag bol.

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pgtips wrote:
Triceptaurus wrote:
This is another one of those horse shit diets. Oh, and speaking of which, you can get the same result eating said horse shit.

There is nothing new here. Eating a single article for weight loss works. But it's weight, not necessarily fat. There is the grape diet, the fruit only diet, the "detox" vege juice diet, the grapefruit diet, etc, etc.

You will lose weight in the form of body fluids/water (your body is 70% water so easy to drop weight there) and muscle mass. You might even drop some body fat.

If you want to drop fat, and not just body weight, then you have to have your diet nailed down tight. That includes high protein with fats for energy. Have fun with your experiment. You will be a lot lighter at the end. Probably just as fat, but lighter. You know, skinny fat.

You can die from protein deficiency (i.e. the potato famine in Ireland). It even has a sexy name and all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tein_deficiency

But you can't die from carb deficiency. Oh, you can die from too many carbs though (i.e. obesity, diabetes, etc).

So, enjoy your experiment. Enjoy the bounce back later too, when your starved body stores everything as fat in survival mode. You will be lighter, fatter, weaker and with less muscle mass. Later, you can do it right. It's all good experience.


OK, you don't need to be so angry. I was just doing it out of interest.

PS. The Potato famine was not about protein deficiency, it was about the potato (The staple Irish crop) being killed off by a plant disease. Population that mainly consumed potatoes + loss of said potatoed = Famine. Not people eating potato = protein famine. so at your point that people don't die of a carb famine, actually, thats what the potato famine essentially was.

I did not at one point say it will make me big and strong, I said I was doing it cause apparently it helps with weight loss and was doing out of INTEREST.

I caved in about 4 days ago anyway when my strength started going down and I got offered a fine smellin spag bol.



If you consider that "anger" you're in for a treat when you face the cruel hard world.

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ftr, you can also die eating just meat.

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jskrabac wrote:
pgtips wrote:
Triceptaurus wrote:
This is another one of those horse shit diets. Oh, and speaking of which, you can get the same result eating said horse shit.

There is nothing new here. Eating a single article for weight loss works. But it's weight, not necessarily fat. There is the grape diet, the fruit only diet, the "detox" vege juice diet, the grapefruit diet, etc, etc.

You will lose weight in the form of body fluids/water (your body is 70% water so easy to drop weight there) and muscle mass. You might even drop some body fat.

If you want to drop fat, and not just body weight, then you have to have your diet nailed down tight. That includes high protein with fats for energy. Have fun with your experiment. You will be a lot lighter at the end. Probably just as fat, but lighter. You know, skinny fat.

You can die from protein deficiency (i.e. the potato famine in Ireland). It even has a sexy name and all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tein_deficiency

But you can't die from carb deficiency. Oh, you can die from too many carbs though (i.e. obesity, diabetes, etc).

So, enjoy your experiment. Enjoy the bounce back later too, when your starved body stores everything as fat in survival mode. You will be lighter, fatter, weaker and with less muscle mass. Later, you can do it right. It's all good experience.


OK, you don't need to be so angry. I was just doing it out of interest.

PS. The Potato famine was not about protein deficiency, it was about the potato (The staple Irish crop) being killed off by a plant disease. Population that mainly consumed potatoes + loss of said potatoed = Famine. Not people eating potato = protein famine. so at your point that people don't die of a carb famine, actually, thats what the potato famine essentially was.

I did not at one point say it will make me big and strong, I said I was doing it cause apparently it helps with weight loss and was doing out of INTEREST.

I caved in about 4 days ago anyway when my strength started going down and I got offered a fine smellin spag bol.



If you consider that "anger" you're in for a treat when you face the cruel hard world.


This has nothing to do with the "cruel hard world" and my percieved lack of experience in it.

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