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Singhbuilder
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Marzouk wrote:
All my family are muslim - i eat and drink during ramadan. I'm not muslim. Do they care? Hell no, why?

Because they have taught me what i need to know and done their job. Now its my choice. My dad won't be judge for what i do because he has shown me the parth, its my choice weather or not i follow it.


This is how it should be in a perfect world, but it clearly is not.
In the Asian community religion is pretty much forced upon you, only a select few have open-minded parents who believe Humanity is the best religion (thankfully mine are included here).

OP, I get where you are coming from, its your choice and I respect you for following what you believe is right. In regards to bulk/cut, like most have said look into Intermittent Fasting for a cut, if not try eating clean when you open your fast. During the day keep nuts and BCAA's in your pocket and snack on them when you can.

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0riental
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I can't judge you. But don't "fake" Ramadan. You don't "fake" such an integral part of your religion. Either be a Muslim or don't.


Im not a muslim... I am an atheist, there is no Ramadan in atheism. Im not, but for the sake of being polite and not being an complete arse I still fast, to save my family the trouble, to not seem rude. Something you should have learned from your religion.

sexyxe wrote:
marrot wrote:
I can't judge you. But don't "fake" Ramadan. You don't "fake" such an integral part of your religion. Either be a Muslim or don't.


Buuuuut, he isn't a Muslim. He is an atheist. He is essentially just fasting cause his family is, and to eat whilst they fast would be rude. It isn't a religious thing, cause it isn't his religion.



Exactly.

Gambit_Lost wrote:
marrot wrote:

I can't judge you. But don't "fake" Ramadan. You don't "fake" such an integral part of your religion. Either be a Muslim or don't.


OP saw this coming from the first post.


Bang on. Saw this coming which is why i stated it clearly i was an atheist, that i didnt want lots of muslims telling me what to do. Fortunately only one here, i seen much worse in other places :/

Marzouk wrote:
All my family are muslim - i eat and drink during ramadan. I'm not muslim. Do they care? Hell no, why?

Because they have taught me what i need to know and done their job. Now its my choice. My dad won't be judge for what i do because he has shown me the parth, its my choice weather or not i follow it.


Well all families are different. Mine will probably care, and i would rather save the trouble and the arguments and just fast. Not that hard really. Change of pace from normal daily routine you could say, and good feeling when you finally can eat some food ;)

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Singhbuilder wrote:
Marzouk wrote:
All my family are muslim - i eat and drink during ramadan. I'm not muslim. Do they care? Hell no, why?

Because they have taught me what i need to know and done their job. Now its my choice. My dad won't be judge for what i do because he has shown me the parth, its my choice weather or not i follow it.


This is how it should be in a perfect world, but it clearly is not.
In the Asian community religion is pretty much forced upon you, only a select few have open-minded parents who believe Humanity is the best religion (thankfully mine are included here).

OP, I get where you are coming from, its your choice and I respect you for following what you believe is right. In regards to bulk/cut, like most have said look into Intermittent Fasting for a cut, if not try eating clean when you open your fast. During the day keep nuts and BCAA's in your pocket and snack on them when you can.

SB


Thank you for understanding, greatly appreciated. Alright, I haven't eaten nuts throughout the day but i will do that. Just that its difficult when i live in a neighborhood where most people are Asian, and most know my family.

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Regardless of whether you believe in the religious observance, periodic fasting has been shown to have numerous health benefits, if done intelligently. It may actually be one of the single most clinically documented ways prevent illness and increase life expectancy. I have nothing really to add.

FWIW, I absolutely understand your desire to be flexible and accommodating in consideration of family harmony. My dad and I have some theological differences and it's a subject he's very passionate about. I'm not an atheist, but I am happy to allow him to believe that we agree more completely than we do sometimes in order to avoid endless, unresolvable arguments that mean nothing. Why not? I think too much emphasis is sometimes placed on the whole "be yourself an shove it in everyone's face no matter who it hurts" approach to life.

It seems to me that at some point you family may need to come to terms with your atheism, but there is a season for everything.

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Singhbuilder
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batman730 wrote:
Regardless of whether you believe in the religious observance, periodic fasting has been shown to have numerous health benefits, if done intelligently. It may actually be one of the single most clinically documented ways prevent illness and increase life expectancy. I have nothing really to add.


Yes but OP was reffering to fasting from a physique perspective, and fasting daily for a month is not the best way to bulk or cut.

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0riental
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Is it not the best way to cut either? I would have thought it was better to cut during Ramadan :/ Thats what i have started doing, i still eat a lot of fats and protiens during the meal times, and carbohydrates when breaking the fast to give energy, and lots of fruits. But during the day i may do some slow/medium paced swimming for an hour and a half or go gym and do pure strength and low volume so I done become too weak.

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Singhbuilder wrote:
batman730 wrote:
Regardless of whether you believe in the religious observance, periodic fasting has been shown to have numerous health benefits, if done intelligently. It may actually be one of the single most clinically documented ways prevent illness and increase life expectancy. I have nothing really to add.


Yes but OP was reffering to fasting from a physique perspective, and fasting daily for a month is not the best way to bulk or cut.

SB


Perhaps, but I was just suggesting that, since he is stuck with the situation for now, he make the best out of the situation and enjoy reaping the health benefits even if his physique might stagnate a little.

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Respeezy
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The guy saying you cant add muscle doesn't know what he is talking about, you can do whatever you feel like ( gain musle, lose fat) It's all about the total of calories.

Preferably eat after you workout, which is exactly what you do when you break the fast in the evening.

Basically you're just following an intermittent fasting protocol, i would only advice you to do drink lots of water (secretly if you have to).

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0riental
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Who is correct. Getting conflicting information here bros/gals!

In any case, I am cutting this month. I have far too much fat on me from overbulking, really need to cut down.

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Claudan
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0riental wrote:
Who is correct. Getting conflicting information here bros/gals!

In any case, I am cutting this month. I have far too much fat on me from overbulking, really need to cut down.


Still haven't read a single thing about nutrition? Most of the people posting here are correct, they are just using different assumptions.

For instance, when I said you can't gain mass during Ramadan, it is technically wrong because if you do eat in a surplus, you should be able to gain weight. When I said that you wouldn't gain muscle during Ramadan, I assumed you would be under-eating and under-recovering. That's why I proposed that cutting would be the better option for a whole month, then come back and rebound into a nice gain-period.

In the end, it's about net calories(and the ensuing macro distribution).

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