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"the perfect blend of carbs to consume before a workout should be insulinogenic (spikes insulin), but not anything containing straight sugar or high-fructose corn syrup."
Everything in the article makes sense. But, as a point of curiosity, why can't it be straight sugar as a means to spike insulin? Say, for example, powdered Gatorade or similar?
Is it that the insulin spike is not steep enough to be effective? Or, is there something else at play in the insulin / amino acid dance?
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jehovasfitness
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Dextrose is perfectly fine to spike insulin. there's a reason Pepsi isn't recommended for most people to just be chugging all day. they're gonna have insulin crankin all day long.
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Efuchs7
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I always enjoy the LL's work. How long should one wait after a workout while consuming Anaconda and MAG-10 to have this postworkout meal? would you recommend a P+F meal because of the high amount of carbs found in the protocol or a P+C 1:1 1:2 1:3 ratio for fatloss? Then for muscle building?
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oinky222
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this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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Vash
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oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
. . . I must agree. Now, there is a possibility I pleasure myself to Dr. Lowery's old DVD "Experiments vs Experience.". So please don't take this as a knock on either participant: this sucked ass. From the start of the article, I had anticipated a new or different protocal, variations for those not following Anaconda, or maybe even something regarding workout timing, from the article title.
Nate, you can give a killer interview, please don't get bogged down in these "special reports." They may be effective marketing, but shit, a concept only needs to be sold so many times to a niche.
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Hotch
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oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
Hmm took the words right out of my mouth.
I feel like people don't understand that dextrose is glucose, at least I didn't I should have. To clarify, incase people don't know, there are two kinds of glucose L and D; d is used by cells in the body l is not.
So in summary: d-glucose is dextrose.
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PaddyM
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Definitely got deja vu reading this as I felt I had heard it all before.
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Billy Whizz
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oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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Bleh....but I suppose every magazine has advertisements right? We can't get too mad about it. I just wish they didn't attach these two names to it, or at least made some up!
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IronTherapy
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Okay, so we all agree, it's a big ad for ANACONDA. I'm not willing to pay that much for the product, and I know that a lot of you aren't, either. What's the alternative? I try to get my fruit intake up, so I eat a piece of fruit before training, drink a big ole berries + vanilla protein shake during training, and often eat another piece of fruit after finishing just for fun. Is this what I'm hoping -- a healthy, cheaper alternative to expensive, artificial supplements like Biotest's -- or am I actually selling myself short?
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Billy Whizz
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tywall wrote:
Bleh....but I suppose every magazine has advertisements right? We can't get too mad about it. I just wish they didn't attach these two names to it, or at least made some up!
It's not them advertising their products in an article that pisses me off. It's writing a article which states nothing new, but rather something that's been beaten to death on this site and writing an article that's basically just a thin vel for advertising.
They can plug their stuff in many other articles, which they do, and that's quite fine. But writing a article as camo for advertisement is way below T-Nation's standards.
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Vash
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IronTherapy wrote:
Okay, so we all agree, it's a big ad for ANACONDA. I'm not willing to pay that much for the product, and I know that a lot of you aren't, either. What's the alternative? I try to get my fruit intake up, so I eat a piece of fruit before training, drink a big ole berries + vanilla protein shake during training, and often eat another piece of fruit after finishing just for fun. Is this what I'm hoping -- a healthy, cheaper alternative to expensive, artificial supplements like Biotest's -- or am I actually selling myself short?
CT has a few non-ANACONDA protocols up in his HTH forum which will kick-start some great gains.
The only reason I've not run ANACONDA is the need to stay at my bodyweight. Much more, or a little less, and a whole shit-ton of back issues arise. Because of that, I've used the other designs to make great composition changes.
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Come on guys, this is a "magazine" now. Obviously this is the center-fold spread for the ANACONDA Protocol and I accept it as such.
It was stated that there were things we would like, and things we wouldn't like when reading things in this fashion. Also, with this once a week fashion we should accept at least an article a week similar to this because of new visitors to the site or those who might not know this information.
At least it was void of buzz words and before/after photos, then it would have really felt like an ad.
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I love T-Nation. It has given me so much information and put me on the path for lifting success. But I keep seeing more and more of this stuff and it feels like those ads from M+F (At least T-Nation has good training information, though). I want to believe T-Nation and not the conspiracy theorists on other sites and blogs, but things keeping getting cloudier. Couldn't Nate have put together some sort of protocol that would be more economical? Maybe with some other basic supplements and foods taken strategically that may not be as high quality as ANACONDA, but still get the job done?
I respect the coaches here, so can one of them please redeem this seemingly apparent marketing?
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andrew88
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To build on my above post: I am not a competitive bodybuilder, but I do want to add muscle. I would like to see a cheaper supplement/whole food approach to the 3rd Law so I can test it without dropping around $300 bucks. Then, if I see the power behind this method and eventually decided to take my physique to another level, I would be willing to try out the ANACONDA Protocol. But right now I am not advanced and I do not have a disposable income, so I would appreciate something more practical. I know building muscle has never been cheap but what are my options?
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Billy Whizz wrote:
oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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Kerley wrote:
Billy Whizz wrote:
oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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Spartiates wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Billy Whizz wrote:
oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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andrew88
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Liv92 wrote:
Spartiates wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Billy Whizz wrote:
oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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5 times! Shit just got real!
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andrew88 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
Spartiates wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Billy Whizz wrote:
oinky222 wrote:
this article was just a pathetic advertisement for the Anaconda protocol. consuming fast-acting carbs and protein periworkout is common sense to every TMuscle reader by now, the article offered no new information whatsoever. writing a giant advertisement and playing it off as if its actually an insightful article is insulting to the intelligence of those of us who frequent this site
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Birdman31
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X7 on the ad crap.
Also I don't know if anyone noticed but in this article Lowery said he thinks the 30g of protein per sitting mantra is B.S., but he recently said in another article that he doesn't take in more than 20g at a time.
Care to resolve the contradiction, doc?
Here is said article: http://www.tmuscle.com/...w_about_protein
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SBT
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X7 on the ad crap.
Also I don't know if anyone noticed but in this article Lowery said he thinks the 30g of protein per sitting mantra is B.S., but he recently said in another article that he doesn't take in more than 20g at a time.
Care to resolve the contradiction, doc?
Here is said article: http://www.tmuscle.com/...w_about_protein
My understanding is that the 30 gram idea is usually in reference to the amount your body can digest at one time, while the 20 gram statement references that maybe a shake with more than 20 grams isn't necessarily better at stimulating protein synthesis. The additional protein is still being digested, though, and thus the potential remains for it to be used to build muscle.
That's just my quick once over.
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x8... you know what I'm talking about...
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Johnny Amore
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LL stated earlier in an article that more than 20 grams do nothing as far as protein synthesis. Then why would one ingest 196 grams of protein in two hours on the protocol? Is he telling me/us that this two hours are that anabolic?
And no, don't use common sugary product, thats not going to work, please...
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