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Kerley
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cool article, John Romaniello is a funny bastard, anyone ever read his blog about the spider??
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kingbeef323
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I really like this guys articles. For the past 2 weeks I've been doing a hybrid heavy and density day routine 6 days a week (2x a week each muscle group 1 heavy day, 1 density) and I swear I'm getting leaner and stronger and the scale isn't moving much. I'm quite enjoying it.
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gregron
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good shit John... I really like your articles. Really good stuff.
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3hitter
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Isn't this the same idea as P90X?
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eaboadar
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Thanks John, great article. Quick question though:
Are the rest periods always supposed to be ascending (10,20,30,...)? If not, how do you schedule them? And the rest between circuits?
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John Romaniello
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3hitter wrote:
Isn't this the same idea as P90X?
I'm not really sure--P90X uses a lot of different training methods; I couldn't say if Density is one of them.
I haven't looked at the program in well over two years, and to be honest I can't recall off hand.
Haven't heard about any lawsuits yet, though =)
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John Romaniello
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eaboadar wrote:
Thanks John, great article. Quick question though:
Are the rest periods always supposed to be ascending (10,20,30,...)? If not, how do you schedule them? And the rest between circuits?
Hey, thanks for the props.
i actually have complete chart for rest periods in this article:
http://www.tmuscle.com/...adical_fat_loss
Enjoy!
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Nice article. The bodyweight sounds pretty similar to any martial arts course fitness activities except we usually divide the mat in 4 and students jog from one station to the next as their rest. Will definitely consider this with weights and the idea of increasing the reps on the second set. Also like the general knowledge I learned from it about the neuro system's impact that I can try to tell my students when they undoubtedly complain.
I do wonder about the practicalities of this. I know at the gym I go to getting 4 barbells loaded and ready to go just for me would be next to impossible. Any suggestions for us gym members that don't have access to private facilities?
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Enders Drift wrote:
Nice article. The bodyweight sounds pretty similar to any martial arts course fitness activities except we usually divide the mat in 4 and students jog from one station to the next as their rest. Will definitely consider this with weights and the idea of increasing the reps on the second set. Also like the general knowledge I learned from it about the neuro system's impact that I can try to tell my students when they undoubtedly complain.
I do wonder about the practicalities of this. I know at the gym I go to getting 4 barbells loaded and ready to go just for me would be next to impossible. Any suggestions for us gym members that don't have access to private facilities?
Thanks,
Ender
I just used barbells as and example. In almost all cases, I prefer dumbbells. Should probably have gone with that.
Actually, speaking broadly, I like DBs a lot more for fast-paced fat loss training. Except in the case of complexes, that is.
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JudsonFit
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So quick question, would something like the "300 workout" be under this category? Just curious.
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John Romaniello
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In basic sense, yes--you'd be increasing density from workout to workout, in that you would be trying to accomplish that feat in less time.
This set up is a bit more sophisticated, but is built on those more basic principles.
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One quick clarification question: In your protocol are you to do each circuit 4 times? The instructions read: "Continue this pattern for all exercises. Rest 120s and repeat. For your SECOND circuit". Does this mean that the FIRST circuit is twice through, then you add weight and go through twice again, or its literally once through, add weight, once through?
Thanks much!
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John,
What do you think of this sample workout. In order to increase intensity the rest periods decrease until the client is reaching a point of local fatigue (i.e. if the legs give out but the lungs are still good to go). At that point adjustments would be needed to make the conditioning more demanding:
Three sets of 20 with
A1)Walking Lunges rest 10sec
A2)Leg Press (high feet) rest 120sec
B1)Rafter Style Pullup rest 10sec
B2)Alternating Pushup on MedBall rest 120sec
C1)Decline Bench Chopper rest 10sec
C2)Floor Cobras rest 60sec
Stretch, Eat, Go Watch the Yankees game.
Next week try to make rest intervals be 10sec, 100sec...so on so forth.
Respectfully,
Mykael
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Great article.
One question:
What do you recommend in terms of "as part of a good program"? Should this replace a training day, replace cardio, or be added to a complete FL routine without further manipulation?
Thanks,
mid
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sophie42 wrote:
It sounds like crossfit.
Of course there are some similarities.
With CF, you time yourself for one entire workout, then look to beat that time in subsequent training sessions.
With my method, you're timing each exercise, and seeking to beat that later in the SAME session.
As I mentioned in the article the idea of increasing density by decreasing time spent training is one method. This is a different one.
And, if I may, it's quite a bit better for people who are looking to build or maintain mass.
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El Matarife wrote:
One quick clarification question: In your protocol are you to do each circuit 4 times? The instructions read: "Continue this pattern for all exercises. Rest 120s and repeat. For your SECOND circuit". Does this mean that the FIRST circuit is twice through, then you add weight and go through twice again, or its literally once through, add weight, once through?
Thanks much!
Nope, you do each individual circuit only twice.
Go through A1, A2, A3, A4 with you weights, rest. Increase weights, repeat and beat.
Move on to the next circuit.
I just gave sample circuits, but in my density programs generally a single workout is made of up 3 unique circuits, which will each be done twice.
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mwilliamson421 wrote:
John,
What do you think of this sample workout. In order to increase intensity the rest periods decrease until the client is reaching a point of local fatigue (i.e. if the legs give out but the lungs are still good to go). At that point adjustments would be needed to make the conditioning more demanding:
Three sets of 20 with
A1)Walking Lunges rest 10sec
A2)Leg Press (high feet) rest 120sec
B1)Rafter Style Pullup rest 10sec
B2)Alternating Pushup on MedBall rest 120sec
C1)Decline Bench Chopper rest 10sec
C2)Floor Cobras rest 60sec
Stretch, Eat, Go Watch the Yankees game.
Next week try to make rest intervals be 10sec, 100sec...so on so forth.
Respectfully,
Mykael
Not bad at all.
I'd rather see you try to increase load within the same workout.
So lets say you do floor cobras for 60 seconds and get 25 reps. WHen you repeat the circuit 5 min later, I'd like to see 26 or more.
The real key is to do more on your second circuit
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midnightamnesia wrote:
Great article.
One question:
What do you recommend in terms of "as part of a good program"? Should this replace a training day, replace cardio, or be added to a complete FL routine without further manipulation?
Thanks,
mid
In my article, "The 5 Principals of Radical Fat Loss" I talked about how one of the things I do is rotate various training methods over the course of a single week.
In that article, I gave dynamic training and bodyweight training as examples.
So here, you can just take a density workout, and apply it to that schedule.
In truth, the goal of this article is to add to that one, giving you a new methods to add to your arsenal.
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John, Great article! Thanks for sharing.
What do you think of following the same sequence of time and loading but with one movement like power clean & push press?
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John, thanks for the article...definitely gave me a different challenge when faced with time.
Another practical question though: I found it awkwardly difficult to manage my stop watch while going through the session, as it only counts forward and I cannot easily see it because of glare issues from the lights, angle just wasn't great, etc.
What do use to help keep track of the time in an easier-to-see fashion? Are there timers out there that you can set for say 25 seconds and it beeps or something at the end? The stop watch is great for rest intervals, but fussing to keep track of how much time I have left in the middle of a set ends up taking too much attention away from the actual work I'm doing.
Thanks!
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Wlfdg wrote:
John, Great article! Thanks for sharing.
What do you think of following the same sequence of time and loading but with one movement like power clean & push press?
Thats one of my preferred methods; I try not to recommend oly lifts in articles too often because most people don't do them very well.
But yes, absolutely it is effective.
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HeyWaj10 wrote:
John, thanks for the article...definitely gave me a different challenge when faced with time.
Another practical question though: I found it awkwardly difficult to manage my stop watch while going through the session, as it only counts forward and I cannot easily see it because of glare issues from the lights, angle just wasn't great, etc.
What do use to help keep track of the time in an easier-to-see fashion? Are there timers out there that you can set for say 25 seconds and it beeps or something at the end? The stop watch is great for rest intervals, but fussing to keep track of how much time I have left in the middle of a set ends up taking too much attention away from the actual work I'm doing.
Thanks!
You can pick up a GymBoss timer, which is what I used to use until i dropped a weight on mine.
Now, I just set myself up in front of a wall clock at the gym (had to hang a new one in the free weight area), which makes it easier to glance up and know when it's time.
A slightly more advanced thing to do is something like "Workout Muse" which is a music software that allows you to create custom timed intervals. So the music would play, and then when the song changes, you know that interval is over. It's pretty cool but learning to create your own takes a while.
The good news is, after a while you get very used to having an idea of when 30 seconds has passed. and just going from there. It' a pain but it works.
So far, wall clock is easiest (for me).
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Kerley
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John have you ever done an article for T-Nation on diet?
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