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T NATION
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Welcome to the ANACONDA Protocol User's Forum.
As the name indicates, it's a place where people who've purchased the ANACONDA Protocol Package can post questions about the protocol, questions about training, and questions about anything related to building muscle as fast as humanly possible.
And it's our job to not only deliver the answers, but to make sure you know how to implement our advice. We want you to experience the kinds of outrageous gains from ANACONDA and MAG-10 that we've been talking about here on TMUSCLE.
Tim Patterson and Christian Thibaudeau want you to totally understand the advanced methods and techniques they've written about. And, they're going to do everything they can to make sure it happens.
Christian Thibaudeau will be in this forum more than any other forum on the site, answering your questions and giving training advice.
You'll be given exclusive and first access to advanced training programs like I,BODYBUILDER, and when we do another Christian Thibaudeau training camp at TMUSCLE, we'll select our participants from this forum.
Lastly, let's not forget that you have to do your part and train as seriously as we do.
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zraw
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Nice ! Lets get this going !
Im pretty sure everyone is as excited as I am about this
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rnl
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look forward to it... thanks
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zraw
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Well, I'll start with a few questions that could probably benefit everyone
1) As far as creatine is concerned, what are the recommendations for off days? Creatine monohydrate in the evening?
2) Is there a need to take beta-alanine at any other time than when using the protocol ?
3) CT, you mentionned not taking miscellar casein before bed, do you recommend eating anything after the pre-bed pulse?
4) I still have a bottle and a half of Surge Workout Fuel and a full bottle of Surge Recovery, would there be any use for these, at any time of the day? (I know it was mentionned that one could use Surge Recovery 60mins after the workout, before the post workout meal)
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processsup
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When will I,Bodybuilder program be released?
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Hutts555
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I have a few question with the program. First off I just finished the Super acumlation program and had great results. What will be the best way to train while on this protocol. I understand how to use the supplements, but what will be the best program to use for training. I can make any scarfice for training, but the only thing I am worried about is not being able to afford using the sup protocol multiple times a day. I could probably only aford 2 times a day for 2 trainig days. sorry if this message does not have enough information to answer my question.
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vascu
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Tried first day yesterday. Berry. It was a little hard to get down the last 400ml while training. But I haven't been getting as much water as I need prior to training so I just need to get use to the push of fluids.
what are others supplementing on non-training days?
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thoughts1053
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Posted something similar in CT's Peri-workout nutrition thread but I guess I should post it here:
What type of diet (for mass) should you follow while on the protocol? Is carb cycling a good option and does the Anaconda protocol count towards the days total calories/carbs?
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zenomaly
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Cool, got my package this morning and had my first MAG-10 pulse after waking up. I dig the flavoring system. I plan on pulsing MAG-10 every morning (will replace my morning whey). At bedtime casein is just going to be replaced with whey. As far as off-day creatine goes, I plan on having none. I think it's enough to just have it around workouts.
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Christian Thibaudeau
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thoughts1053 wrote:
Posted something similar in CT's Peri-workout nutrition thread but I guess I should post it here:
What type of diet (for mass) should you follow while on the protocol? Is carb cycling a good option and does the Anaconda protocol count towards the days total calories/carbs?
It obviously depends on your body type, how well you respond to carbs, your activity level, etc.
I actually found out that when you do the protocol properly, regardless of diet you WILL gain mass and strength. Heck, at one point I was trying to LOSE mass for health reasons. I kept using the protocol and was eating almost nothing, at one point I was only eating one meal a day, and my strength didn't decrease.
To maximize results I would use carbs cycling...
DAY 1. Low carbs (outside of the protocol keep carbs to a minimum)
DAY 2. Moderate carbs (have around 50-75g of carbs at breakfast, the protocole and the rest of the day is no carbs)
DAY 3 (off day) is low carbs and no protocol (no training)
DAY 4. High carbs (50-75g of carbs at breakfast, the protocol, and 30-40g of carbs at 3 other meals)
DAY 5. Low carbs (outside of the protocol keep carbs to a minimum)
DAY 6. Moderate carbs
DAY 7. (off day) High carbs - cheat day
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ChokeOnStrength
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Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
thoughts1053 wrote:
Posted something similar in CT's Peri-workout nutrition thread but I guess I should post it here:
What type of diet (for mass) should you follow while on the protocol? Is carb cycling a good option and does the Anaconda protocol count towards the days total calories/carbs?
It obviously depends on your body type, how well you respond to carbs, your activity level, etc.
I actually found out that when you do the protocol properly, regardless of diet you WILL gain mass and strength. Heck, at one point I was trying to LOSE mass for health reasons. I kept using the protocol and was eating almost nothing, at one point I was only eating one meal a day, and my strength didn't decrease.
To maximize results I would use carbs cycling...
DAY 1. Low carbs (outside of the protocol keep carbs to a minimum)
DAY 2. Moderate carbs (have around 50-75g of carbs at breakfast, the protocole and the rest of the day is no carbs)
DAY 3 (off day) is low carbs and no protocol (no training)
DAY 4. High carbs (50-75g of carbs at breakfast, the protocol, and 30-40g of carbs at 3 other meals)
DAY 5. Low carbs (outside of the protocol keep carbs to a minimum)
DAY 6. Moderate carbs
DAY 7. (off day) High carbs - cheat day Thanks for the outline. I was wondering this too. I figured what I was doing was fine, but a lot of people had things to say about my food intake. Understandably so, but I also had a feeling that if I can maintain/gain muscle on what it is I am doing, then adding the Protocol, I am bound to put on muscle either way. I don't run very well on carbs at all, so my modified carb cycling approach is the way to go. Thanks for clearing this up, I am going to follow my gut instinct on this one and let the Protocol do it's thing.
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Mod Brian
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Hutts555 wrote:
I have a few question with the program. First off I just finished the Super acumlation program and had great results. What will be the best way to train while on this protocol. I understand how to use the supplements, but what will be the best program to use for training. I can make any scarfice for training, but the only thing I am worried about is not being able to afford using the sup protocol multiple times a day. I could probably only aford 2 times a day for 2 trainig days. sorry if this message does not have enough information to answer my question.
You don't need to train more than once daily four times per week to see a major benefit to using the ANACONDA Protocol.
It would be a major mistake for most trainees to attempt to train three times per day, six days per week as Christian has experimented.
As for training, I recommend a program based on High-Threshold Hypertrophy.
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ShaunMc
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My experience so far.
Alpha-GPC- Quick and easy
Preparing the drink- the bottle is great. The berry flavoring reminds me of cranberry. The first 1000ml was not bad, but sipping during high volume/intensity benching was not fun. Very mild queasiness. It passed soon after the workout was over. I think this will end after I get a couple of days under my belt.
FINiBARs- Not bad at all.
First dose - not bad. Went down easier than expected.
Second Dose - Uh...this is a lot of water at once.
Warm up - I am making a sloshing noise. Forgot I pounded back a spike shooter. I think I have pee'd about 4 times now.
Working sets (5/3/1) - A little queasy because of my choice of flavor. Mind over matter.
20 mins in and the queasy is still in. I feel like I could lift all night, though. Placebo?
Work out is over and my muscles gave out but my will to lift hasn't. Feel like I could easily get another workout in. I did busted it tonight with the 5/3/1 + BBB assistances.
Tomorrow is squat day and I wonder how this much liquid is going to function with leg day.
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Mod Brian
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processsup wrote:
When will I,Bodybuilder program be released?
Here's Tim response on this from the ANACONDA Protocol discussion thread.
"Of course I,BODYBUILDER exists, and it's coming out as soon as the program module is completed -- starting with PHASE ONE - Shoulders.
Everything else is finished."
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Mod Brian
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zraw wrote:
Well, I'll start with a few questions that could probably benefit everyone
1) As far as creatine is concerned, what are the recommendations for off days? Creatine monohydrate in the evening?
2) Is there a need to take beta-alanine at any other time than when using the protocol ?
There's absolutely no reason to use additional Creatine or Beta alanine with the ANACONDA Protocol.
Biotest spared no expense in putting the optimal amounts of each of these in the products, so save any you may have for when you are not following this protocol.
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zraw
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Mod Brian wrote:
zraw wrote:
Well, I'll start with a few questions that could probably benefit everyone
1) As far as creatine is concerned, what are the recommendations for off days? Creatine monohydrate in the evening?
2) Is there a need to take beta-alanine at any other time than when using the protocol ?
There's absolutely no reason to use additional Creatine or Beta alanine with the ANACONDA Protocol.
Biotest spared no expense in putting the optimal amounts of each of these in the products, so save any you may have for when you are not following this protocol.
Thank you
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jdrannin1
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CT - one of the benefits behind MAG-10 and Anaconda is it's fast absorption. Won't the speed of absorption of amino's be slowed down by consuming the FINiBARs preworkout?
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goldin
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That much liquid prior to lifting is going to take some getting used to. Sounds like it's the same with the first uses of the other posters - I take it this is something that will go away? I just felt sluggish for the first half of my workout. I was wondering if it's the protein also - because I used to take Surge Recovery during my workout as well as after, before I started SWOF, and this seemed somewhat similar (I don't feel sluggish at all on SWOF - very focused and driven). So, after the first try of Anaconda, I'd have to say I prefer SWOF, but that's just a hasty judgment at this time (maybe I'll get hyooge tonight!).
And my workout took forever cause I had to pee every 10 minutes!
Anyway, I'd appreciate it if one of the veteran users would fill me in on their experiences with lethargic workouts from the extra liquid or protein, and how their bodies adapted or if they changed their protocol at all. I'll give it a few more days as is, but I'm thinking I might want to start drinking a little sooner so it's not so much in such a short time. I will say I was pretty hungry less than an hour after leaving the gym, so that was a plus.
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Mod Brian
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goldin wrote:
Anyway, I'd appreciate it if one of the veteran users would fill me in on their experiences with lethargic workouts from the extra liquid or protein, and how their bodies adapted or if they changed their protocol at all.
Most people seem to adjust to the fluid intake within a week.
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Higgins
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zraw wrote:
3) CT, you mentionned not taking miscellar casein before bed, do you recommend eating anything after the pre-bed pulse?
4) I still have a bottle and a half of Surge Workout Fuel and a full bottle of Surge Recovery, would there be any use for these, at any time of the day? (I know it was mentionned that one could use Surge Recovery 60mins after the workout, before the post workout meal)
I'm interested in these questions as well if they could be answered (Something like using the old protocol until those supps run out and then into the full Anaconda protocol?)
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The Mighty Stu
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Hey Bri,
Are their gonna be any cool Anaconda T-Shirts like you guys have done with other Biotest products in the past? :D
S
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Mod Brian
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The Mighty Stu wrote:
Hey Bri,
Are their gonna be any cool Anaconda T-Shirts like you guys have done with other Biotest products in the past? :D
S
You never know what Tim has up his sleeve.
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ggarrett
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Starting the protocol on Monday and I'm going to specialize on back. I'm planning to take the HSS-100 back program but change the primary lifts of each back day to Ramping work sets. I'm also planning on getting in two sessions per day on each back day (Mon, Wed, Fri). The A.M session being the ramping set revised HSS-100 routine, the Noon session being a higher volume, shorter (30 - 45 min), back routine. I was also thinking about doing 50 pull ups and 100 push ups in the early evening on each back day.
For the A.M session I plan to use the protocol
For noon session I plan to take 1 FINiBAR and 1 serving of MAG-10 (I have Surge recovery and workout fuel) should I sub in any of these in addition too or instead of the MAG-10?).
For my diet I plan to carb-cycle. Based on Thib's earlier post here I'm going to stick with the guidelines laid out there.
I have the routine written and diet planned out, but instead of filling up this post with all those details I guess I'm just wondering if there's any flaws in this plan.
Thanks,
Greg
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zenomaly
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Hey, how about reducing the circumference of the MAG-10 and ANACONDA scoops so that it will be easier to dump them in the Nalgene bottle?
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PB Andy
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zenomaly wrote:
Hey, how about reducing the circumference of the MAG-10 and ANACONDA scoops so that it will be easier to dump them in the Nalgene bottle?
Times 2!!! I spilled like a 1/4 tsp total from the 5 scoops, not a lot but I was pissed, lol. This shit's expensive. Anyways, you guys don't have to change the scoop size, I'm just going to start using a funnel.
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