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jay711
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What is it that causes big muscly guys to have big strong jaw lines.
Is it caused by high testosterone levels? or is it indeuced through steroids, as not all big guys have them.
If it is high T levels, would Tribex or Redkat raise T levels high enough to cause this effect? or would you need much higher levels of T????

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Tokman
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i don't know much about this but it would be interesting to know, my guess is that it could be HGH

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bazence
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what i have heard is that its steroid use more then anything, which probably means that high testosterone levels alow for this. also some people have this jaw shape.

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Don Alessi
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The masseter muscles, responsible for the protruding,and angular jawed look are fusiform or parrellel fast twitch muscle fibers that like the biceps and hamstrings respond best to androgens like test,anadrol or d-bol.

-Don Alessi

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Yup, d-bol is notorious for this.

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marauder334
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a strong jawline is good though, right?

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This is something that really interests me. This is my first post, also-- I've been lurking for about 3 months.

If you look at guys like Vin Diesel, Bruce Willis, Russell Crowe, even guys like Luke Wilson and Brad Pitt, most of the guys who are famous for being attractive and/or badass have those huge jawlines. Even Disney heroes like Hercules and people like that have those big, exaggerated jaws.
I used to think that guys who naturally have those big jaws would be the ones who were more dominant, thinking about how they look, and able to add more muscle.
I think that still may be a factor, but now I know steroids do influence it. I also know growth hormone (both naturally, in the case of giantism or acromegaly, and if you take it as a supplement) affects this.

As to whether a strong jaw line like this is good, a lot of women seem to like it, as it does indicate higher T, which indicates more fertility, strength, etc. and like I said, it clearly makes you more intimidating (indicates greater strength and muscle mass, and in animals, a bigger jaw means more predatory crushing power).
Psychological studies have shown that men with jaws like that are perceived of as more dominant and more likely to want to get their own way. Some studies have shown that women are no more attracted to big-jawed guys than regular-jawed guys, but I don't really buy that.
However, other studies show that in mock-trial situations, guys with big, manly jaws are more likely to be found guilty, and perceived of as cold and manipulative, whereas guys with softer, more childlike or womanly faces are perceived of as more honest and less likely to be found guilty.

Mr. Alessi, are the jaw muscles the only thing responsible for this big jaw increase? I always assumed it was the bone, but i could be wrong.

I'm studying Psychology and i'd really like to do a research project on this, how testosterone-influenced things like jaw line, baldness, body shape, etc. influence perception of people.

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lumbernac
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practically speaking , besides shooting my rear w/ a needle , is there any way we
can develop these jaw muscles w/out scewing up our teeth? chew gum ? whatta?

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Edgar03
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Maybe you could get that ab-shocker, eletrical-pulse thingy and stick it on the sides of your face.

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Don Alessi wrote:
The masseter muscles, responsible for the protruding,and angular jawed look are fusiform or parrellel fast twitch muscle fibers that like the biceps and hamstrings respond best to androgens like test,anadrol or d-bol.

-Don Alessi


Wait a minute, is d-bol a strong androgen?

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catdian.htm

Not according to that writeup.

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Don Alessi wrote:
The masseter muscles, responsible for the protruding, and angular jawed look are fusiform or parallel fast twitch muscle fibers that like the biceps and hamstrings respond best to androgens like test, anadrol or d-bol.

-Don Alessi


Gee, let's ignore the fact that in most guys, as they grow muscle everywhere else, their masseter also hypertrophies leaving the explanation as either a result of chewing forces or proof of significant muscle growth having an effect on all muscle groups.

I sure hope no one is retarded enough to walk around accusing every guy with big muscles and a strong jaw line of drug use.

I don't know many well built guys who don't have strong jaw lines to some degree unless they are simply carrying more body fat making it less pronounced.


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Tokman wrote:
i don't know much about this but it would be interesting to know, my guess is that it could be HGH



GH enlongates the mandible rather than widens it, google mandibular prognathism. I have a patient with acromegaly and it's not really something you want...

As far as I know, you're stuck with your mandible width post-puberty, so unfortunately your best bet would be to enlarge your masseter if you wanted to accentuate your "natural" jaw width.

Interestingly, I suffer from bruxism and do not have a vastly disproportionate pair of masseters.

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lordstorm88
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its simple

the chin squat:

you put the bar on a high bar position, behind your sharp lower teeth. keep your head up and back, squat down your mouth and then up again. keep your tongue straight or you may get a bad taste in your mouth. make sure the bar doesnt fall forward or else that means you arent strong enought to deserve the food, or backwards otherwise this means you are too weak and eating too much crap (you shouldnt eat barbells)

ok that was lame

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Honestly... I think most people on here lift weights and exercise to be healthy, and perhaps they see it as an athlete participating in a sport would see it. You want to lift more because it means you are getting better at what you are doing.

When you start picking on something like a jaw line... I think you are on par with women who watch too much tv and read too many magazines. You are letting movies and magazines tell you what is attractive. You are thinking that jaw lines help you score women. If a big part of your training is to get women...... that is unfortunate. Frig the magazines already have us convinced that we should be waxing our chests because body hair is ugly (it's actually part of being a MAN for most men).

Don't fool yourself into thinking that women care about physical appearance as much as men do when selecting a mate. Men look for a youthful and healthy appearance... a woman who could carry a baby well (whether you want children or not). Women look for a man who is able to care for their offspring. So if you want to score women, your best bet is to be intelligent, healthy, be sure of yourself, and be able to provide for your family.

Ask any woman here if she would turn down a really good, honest, put together guy because he lacks brad pitt's jaw line. Find me that woman, and I'll show you high testosterone levels :P. Not saying it's straight forward like this... but for the most part men put much more emphasis on physical appearance than do women.

So really... forget the jaw line. If you're having a hard time attracting women, I assure you that the key is not in your jaw.

Good luck!

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Nominal Prospect wrote:
Don Alessi wrote:
The masseter muscles, responsible for the protruding,and angular jawed look are fusiform or parrellel fast twitch muscle fibers that like the biceps and hamstrings respond best to androgens like test,anadrol or d-bol.

-Don Alessi

Wait a minute, is d-bol a strong androgen?

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catdian.htm

Not according to that writeup.


Moderately androgenic, moderately estrogenic, fairly anabolic.

According to my 2004 steroid reference book.



Bushy

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nevans
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I recall a TC article that talked about this
http://www.T-Nation.com/...e.do?id=1888940
about a third of the way down.

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Jay-B
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nevans wrote:
I recall a TC article that talked about this
http://www.T-Nation.com/...e.do?id=1888940
about a third of the way down.


I'll make it easier.
I question the relevance of this snippet for this particular thread however.

"Consider, too, the effects of hormones on the shape of the male and female face. Higher levels of Testosterone in a male help develop a large lower face and jaw, along with a prominent brow. Having an oversized jaw turns out to be biologically expensive because the androgens required to pay for it tend to compromise the immune system.

However, in a female's eyes, this large jaw is just an honest advertisement of the male's health �?? if he can afford cosmetic, androgen-based features like a large jaw without getting sick, it follows that his immune system is iron clad."

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JFG12 wrote:
Honestly... I think most people on here lift weights and exercise to be healthy, and perhaps they see it as an athlete participating in a sport would see it. You want to lift more because it means you are getting better at what you are doing.

When you start picking on something like a jaw line... I think you are on par with women who watch too much tv and read too many magazines. You are letting movies and magazines tell you what is attractive. You are thinking that jaw lines help you score women. If a big part of your training is to get women...... that is unfortunate. Frig the magazines already have us convinced that we should be waxing our chests because body hair is ugly (it's actually part of being a MAN for most men).

Don't fool yourself into thinking that women care about physical appearance as much as men do when selecting a mate. Men look for a youthful and healthy appearance... a woman who could carry a baby well (whether you want children or not). Women look for a man who is able to care for their offspring. So if you want to score women, your best bet is to be intelligent, healthy, be sure of yourself, and be able to provide for your family.

Ask any woman here if she would turn down a really good, honest, put together guy because he lacks brad pitt's jaw line. Find me that woman, and I'll show you high testosterone levels :P. Not saying it's straight forward like this... but for the most part men put much more emphasis on physical appearance than do women.

So really... forget the jaw line. If you're having a hard time attracting women, I assure you that the key is not in your jaw.

Good luck!


Men don't put more emphasis on physical appearance than women do, they simply value a different set of physical attributes. Women are very much concerned with facial appearance and height in males - not so much overall body build.

It is true that jaw size and definition is a reflection of high testosterone levels. It is a masculine trait which women are naturally attracted to. Same with having a strong chin, defined eyebrows, good teeth, etc...

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Sorry NP, but "good teeth" have sod all to do with high T.

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bushidobadboy
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Dave_ wrote:
Sorry NP, but "good teeth" have sod all to do with high T.


LOL! Same with 'defined eyebrows'.

I have excellent teeth apparently (I am 34 without a single filling which puts me in the top 0.5% of the population according to a dentist friend), but I sure as shit don't have naturally excellent T levels.



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Mesomorphs have square heads with strong jaws.

Endomorphs have round faces with normal jaws.

Ectomorphs have small long faces with minimal jaw.

However much your somatype is influence by mesomorph qualities means, you prolly hae a strong jaw.

I'm endo-mesomorph, I have a round face and a strong jaw.

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Dave_ wrote:
Sorry NP, but "good teeth" have sod all to do with high T.


You are just saying that because you are English.

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Example, John Cena? How do you think he got that jawline? Genetics? or something else?

Cuz I remember him saying he never did roids(unless he lied)

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JFG12
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I'm not saying women do not like the jaw line. But a jaw line won't keep a woman interested. If one's purpose is to get women, women emphasize things like earning power and character traits. You'd be much better off developing your person, not your jaw line. I'd love to get some women in here so they can give their take on this.

Go to the thread in 'sex and the male animal'. Plenty of tall women in there going for short men. Women care, but they won't say 'yes' or 'no' in most cases to a man because of jaw line. Whereas men are more prone to pick on some small physical feature.

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Dave_
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Zap Branigan wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
Sorry NP, but "good teeth" have sod all to do with high T.

You are just saying that because you are English.



Touche.

I have beautiful teeth though, seriously.

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