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DF85
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Would tebata on a indoor rower be as benficial as tebata front squats?

An who do I go about doing it?

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bushidobadboy
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"As beneficial"??? Well you'd have to define beneficial, lol.

Tabata on the concapt II rower is hardcore, but then so is tabata on anything.

I use a big digit timer, set for 4 minutes and just watch that, ignoring the display on the machine, but that's just me.


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I might be wrong... But isn't the tabata method supposed to use total body movements? I remember in the article the two suggested exercises were squats and some sort of o-lift.

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DF85
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I have seen it using a rower on a couple websites. Just looking for more adivce.

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ViciousDelicious wrote:
I might be wrong... But isn't the tabata method supposed to use total body movements? I remember in the article the two suggested exercises were squats and some sort of o-lift.


A rower is a full body movement.....


Ive done them on a rower, they are BRUTAL.

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Only one way to find out :)

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dankid wrote:
ViciousDelicious wrote:
I might be wrong... But isn't the tabata method supposed to use total body movements? I remember in the article the two suggested exercises were squats and some sort of o-lift.

A rower is a full body movement.....


Ive done them on a rower, they are BRUTAL.


I was always under the impression that a seated row (I'm assuming that's a rower?) would work the back, lats, and biceps?

And I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything. Hell, tabata could be hard with tricep kick backs...

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dankid
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Its a rowing machine.... The kind with the big fan and the cable with the handle on it. The seat slides...


Its definately a full body movement.

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Sure you can. Tabata can be used with any big, compound exercise. Rowing definitely constitutes a big, compound exercise.

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DF85
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wow was that painfull...

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dankid wrote:
Its a rowing machine.... The kind with the big fan and the cable with the handle on it. The seat slides...


Its definately a full body movement.


Oh oh oh wow okay. Sorry I thought you meant the weight movement. Now I feel like a complete dumb ass.

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DF85
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I do two 15-20 mins of HIIT a week. usually rowing sometimes running. Would it be too much to add in once more day of tabata rowing or heavy bag work?

Think I will give it a try.

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Tabata intervals on the Concept are brutal, but awesome.

Another interval variation on the erg is the "30/30". 30 seconds all out, 30 seconds very easy or rest. Repeat for 10 total 'sets'.

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DF85
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I did 60/60 like that on my rower already. Very hard.

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LiquidMercury
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For the record it's called an ergometer....

And yes doing intervals on one is a great and miserable workout. Try doing Dirty Dozens (workouts that actual rowers do when being punished by coaches)

Dirty Dozen = 12x500 meter sprints 90 second rest all out. Normally coaches will put a ceiling on it and say you can't go above a certain split. The coaches that really are pissed will make the ceiling really low and make you keep going until you throw up (usually after 7 or 8 if you really know how to push yourself).

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bushidobadboy
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LiquidMercury wrote:
For the record it's called an ergometer....



Technically, any machine used to measure work output (including treadmill, bike, etc) is an ergometer.

"An apparatus - such as a treadmill, stationary bicycle, or steps - used to measure the physiologic effects of exercise"


Sorry to be picky ;)


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bushidobadboy wrote:
LiquidMercury wrote:
For the record it's called an ergometer....



Technically, any machine used to measure work output (including treadmill, bike, etc) is an ergometer.

"An apparatus - such as a treadmill, stationary bicycle, or steps - used to measure the physiologic effects of exercise"

Sorry to be picky ;)


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In the sport of rowing, it's referred to specifically as an erg or ergometer. You don't hear cyclists or runners or climbers referring to any of those as an ergometer.

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bushidobadboy
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LiquidMercury wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
LiquidMercury wrote:
For the record it's called an ergometer....



Technically, any machine used to measure work output (including treadmill, bike, etc) is an ergometer.

"An apparatus - such as a treadmill, stationary bicycle, or steps - used to measure the physiologic effects of exercise"

Sorry to be picky ;)


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In the sport of rowing, it's referred to specifically as an erg or ergometer. You don't hear cyclists or runners or climbers referring to any of those as an ergometer.


You are absolutely right, which is why I used the word 'technically' ;)

Rowers (I used to be coxwain) have adopted the word, though I don't know why. Probably just because 'erg' is quicker and easier to saw than 'rowing machine' or 'rowing ergometer'.

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bushidobadboy wrote:

You are absolutely right, which is why I used the word 'technically' ;)

Rowers (I used to be coxwain) have adopted the word, though I don't know why. Probably just because 'erg' is quicker and easier to saw than 'rowing machine' or 'rowing ergometer'.

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Where'd ya cox at? I'm currently back on training for trials next year (missed out on speed orders this year due to injury).

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gatesoftanhauser
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WTF are "Toyota" Front Squats?

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LiquidMercury
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gatesoftanhauser wrote:
WTF are "Toyota" Front Squats?


He never said Toyota Front squats. He said Tabata. Google or look on here what tabata is. It's a type of training and can be applied to any exercise. You could say tabata bench, tabata deadlifts, tabata anything.

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LiquidMercury wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:

You are absolutely right, which is why I used the word 'technically' ;)

Rowers (I used to be coxwain) have adopted the word, though I don't know why. Probably just because 'erg' is quicker and easier to saw than 'rowing machine' or 'rowing ergometer'.

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Where'd ya cox at? I'm currently back on training for trials next year (missed out on speed orders this year due to injury).


I used to cox for my school. We did most of the big British events (Henley, Nat. Champs, etc) and a couple of 'international' events (just competing in other countries, not actually representing England).

Yes, back then, I was the second smallest person in my year at school. 112lbs and 5'8, lol.


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bushidobadboy wrote:
LiquidMercury wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:

You are absolutely right, which is why I used the word 'technically' ;)

Rowers (I used to be coxwain) have adopted the word, though I don't know why. Probably just because 'erg' is quicker and easier to saw than 'rowing machine' or 'rowing ergometer'.

Bushy


Where'd ya cox at? I'm currently back on training for trials next year (missed out on speed orders this year due to injury).


I used to cox for my school. We did most of the big British events (Henley, Nat. Champs, etc) and a couple of 'international' events (just competing in other countries, not actually representing England).

Yes, back then, I was the second smallest person in my year at school. 112lbs and 5'8, lol.


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Ah I see, well guess I probably wouldn't have heard of your school then as I'm over in the US and have really only heard of the big university schools over there. I know how ya feel bein the smallest in your year. I started rowing as a cox standing at 5'2" 90 lbs then one season later I grew 6 inches and 45 lbs so decided to switch to rowing. That being said I graduated high school at a whopping 140 lbs or so at 5'10". I think at youth nationals my senior year our entire ltwt boat was 15 lbs under the limit.

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DF85 wrote:
Would tebata on a indoor rower be as benficial as tebata front squats?

An who do I go about doing it?

thanks


The protocol was studied by Dr. Tabata on cyclists using stationary bikes, so yeah of course it would work with a rower.

It is funny to see the re-invention of "tabata <everything>".

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Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity
intermittent training on anaerobic capacity and VO2max.

Tabata I, Nishimura K, Kouzaki M, Hirai Y, Ogita F, Miyachi M, Yamamoto K.

Department of Physiology and Biomechanics, National Institute of
Fitness and Sports, Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan.

This study consists of two training experiments using a mechanically braked cycle ergometer. First, the effect of 6 wk of moderate-intensity endurance training (intensity: 70% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), 60 min.d-1, 5 d.wk-1) on the anaerobic capacity (the maximal accumulated oxygen deficit) and VO2max was evaluated. After the training, the anaerobic capacity did not increase significantly (P > 0.10), while VO2max increased from 53 +/- 5 ml.kg-1 min-1 to 58 +/- 3 ml.kg-1.min-1 (P < 0.01) (mean +/- SD). Second, to quantify the effect of high-intensity intermittent training on energy
release, seven subjects performed an intermittent training exercise 5 d.wk-1 for 6 wk. The exhaustive intermittent training consisted of seven to eight sets of 20-s exercise at an intensity of about 170% of VO2max with a 10-s rest between each bout. After the training period, VO2max increased by 7 ml.kg-1.min-1, while the anaerobic capacity increased by 28%. In conclusion, this study showed that moderate-intensity aerobic training that improves the maximal aerobic power does not change anaerobic capacity and that adequate high-intensity intermittent training may improve both anaerobic and aerobic energy supplying systems significantly, probably through imposing intensive stimuli on both systems.

PMID: 8897392 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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I do tabata once per week on the concpet II and I have come to fear it, loath it and hate it all at the same time....the most dreadful 4 minutes of my week. And Level 10 only makes it that much more painful...enjoy

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