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Ethan7X
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Airtruth wrote:
Some programs are better than others and some are designed for a select group of people. Reg's looks like it would work for people with great genetics, it just seems like sheiko and 5/3/1 and a few others work better for a majority of people out there.

You look young so 3x a week might work for you right now, but I still think there might be better programs out there.

320x10 will build muscle on anybody, but how many people can do 320 for 10 reps on bench. For 3 sets.

Well that's the point.

He was the second(although he claims he was the first) man in history to bench 500 pounds. And it was raw, drug free, full RoM, etc etc. The man could press BEHIND THE NECK 300+ pounds. His entire strength foundation was built off these 3x5 / 5x5 programs he ran 3x a week; and then he switched to adding splits about 15-20 years into training or something; but he already won Mr.Universe and whatnot while continuing to using this training.

I want a very good strength base too, and that's why I'm pushing hard to for now achieve short term goals I have set.

I feel like 5/3/1 is a bad suggestion for a beginner/intermediate just because of what I have seen. Telling somebody to bench press once a week, and then add 5 pounds a month later is *EXTREMELY SLOW* progression. Yes, it works, and it's long term ~ but why add 60 pounds to your bench in a year, when you can add 120+?

I know several people who train at my gym, and have only been lifting between 1 year 3 months - 1 year and a half. They can bench 300 for 6 reps, 315 for a couple, and max around 340-350. The funny thing is, they don't even know what strength training is, or do it. They're typical bodybuilders, and just train every muscle group hard 2x a week with high frequency. Anybody who trains Chest 2x a week heavy, then 2 heavy shoulder sessions along with triceps is most likely going to get a big bench fast; and sure enough they did. I never see 5/3/1 getting people to 350 pound benches in a little over a year. I DO see it getting advanced/elite lifters very slow, progressive, needed gains that they NEED because they're already damn strong and the crazy stuff of adding 120-150lbs of a bench in a year no longer happens.

Anyways, yeah, I don't even know why we're talking about this anymore; thread was derailed so hard hahaa

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squating_bear
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PJR's for triceps

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BrickHead
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Ethan7X wrote:
Yes, it works, and it's long term ~ but why add 60 pounds to your bench in a year, when you can add 120+?

And how long does this sort of progress last beyond the first year?

Do you actually believe Wendler would suggest holding back if you can progress quicker?

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Doh
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Look up Doug Hepburn =]

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DJS
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Reg Park was not drug free. LOL

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Trocchi
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BrickHead wrote:

Ethan7X wrote:
Yes, it works, and it's long term ~ but why add 60 pounds to your bench in a year, when you can add 120+?

And how long does this sort of progress last beyond the first year?

Do you actually believe Wendler would suggest holding back if you can progress quicker?

Many people would say it's not '5.3.1' if you don't follow the program to the letter. In fact if you take out the deload weeks, the deloaded 1rm at the start of 5.3.1 and add far bigger weights week to week, it's just the big 4 lifts once a week each, lifting a weight for reps based on your 1rm.

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Bryan Breeden
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Join date: Mar 2012
Location: Nebraska, USA
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Hi all,

Doh, I took your advice and looked up Doup Hepburn. I just wanted to say thanks. I really enjoyed reading about the man and what he did with his weight lifting career.
I would have just Private messaged you, but I called the T-Nation store again today to see why I am not able to use that function and was told that I need to have a minimum of posts to have that function.

Danielle at the store office said she talked with a tech support fellow and the person said I was getting close to the minimum of posts.

Again thanks for the tip on Doup Hepburn.

Bryan

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BrickHead
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Trocchi wrote:

BrickHead wrote:

Ethan7X wrote:
Yes, it works, and it's long term ~ but why add 60 pounds to your bench in a year, when you can add 120+?

And how long does this sort of progress last beyond the first year?

Do you actually believe Wendler would suggest holding back if you can progress quicker?

I don't believe so (though I can be wrong or some won't agree with me). It will still be a 5/3/1 TEMPLATE (after all, you'd still be performing lifts for 5, 3, and 1 rep(s), albeit not with intended percentages.

Anyway, if someone was or is making progress far faster than Mr. Wendler suggests or estimates and this progress makes it so that the program is no longer a 5/3/1 program, should someone abandon it simply because it isn't in line with what Wendler suggests or prefers?

Gurus or trainers or coaches (whatever term you prefer) are not gods, and we don't have to blindly follow what they say or suggest in articles, especially considering they're writing for a damn broad audience and aren't working with everyone of us indivually or better yet face to face.

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Consul
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^^^damn straight, Brickhead

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BrickHead
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Thanks.

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