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paulieserafini
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detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?

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super saiyan
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Join date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4882

paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Don't be discouraged Paulie. We can do this!

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ryan.b_96
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detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


lol all natty bro.

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optheta
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paulieserafini wrote:


Once again....Why am I a natty?


I have been asking my self this question ALOT more lately.

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infinite_shore
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optheta wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:


Once again....Why am I a natty?


I have been asking my self this question ALOT more lately.


I think that one monster in my gym had the best answer to that question: because we are pussies!

At first glance, it looks funny but if you think about it a bit....

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gregron
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paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Don't worry bro. If you just hold that top weight long enough, change your body's set point and then keep repeating this over and over without ever gowing below 20% BF, you'll get there eventually.

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DoubleDuce
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infinite_shore wrote:
optheta wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:


Once again....Why am I a natty?


I have been asking my self this question ALOT more lately.


I think that one monster in my gym had the best answer to that question: because we are pussies!

At first glance, it looks funny but if you think about it a bit....


aw......

I don't like needles.

I also do get a kick out of being bigger, stronger, and now leaner than most of the guys using.

I might be a pussy, but that just makes me a girl than can kick most of the men's butts.

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Waittz
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paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Because I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is.

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Professor X
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Waittz wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
The3Commandments wrote:
I think that a lot of this discussion is colored by the fact that most on these boards are in college or their early 20s and do not have to make real priorities/choices compared to an adult like BlueCollar.

The 16 weeks of dieting is much more difficult than 16 weeks of bulking, of course. But if you're someone with a demanding job, kids, and maybe one other hobby in life, then being someone who can consistently train for years on end to gain LBM is a real challenge and takes more dedication than a diet that's measured in weeks, imo.


A wise observation.
The birth of a child, the death of a marriage, two companies closing down, the ups and downs of loving and leaving, parenting, parenting, and more parenting, coaching, competitions, injuries, diets [restricted and surplus], aging parents, etc. The iron and sweat are the only thing that has been consistent.



Good post....and this is why I will ALWAYS listen to a really built older dude over some college student who thinks they know everything with less than ten years of training under their belt.


Life throws curveballs. The dedicated guys keep lifting through the hard time....and let me tell you, MOST of the college aged students who train now won't be anywhere near a gym in ten years....especially the ones claiming they will.

Yes, getting huge and staying that way while also gaining an education and a career along with family and relationships means a hell of a lot.


Any college student should be able to stay focused in the gym unless they literally work all of the time along with school. If you can't do it during that time of your life, you sure as hell won't keep it up later.

Show me the guy who got built and actually accomplished several life goals with it and that is who deserves more credit than the guy who lives at the gym or hasn't even done much yet.


I might get flack for this considering it is T-Nation, but right on X. I cant stand some of the real big guys at my gym that walk around sizing up people and peacocking only to go to the parking lot and get in their beat up 20 year old car. It always reminds me of the scene in Bigger Faster Stronger who was "living the dream" outside of that Golds.



I knew a few people when I started lifting who literally did nothing but try to get whatever girl was taking care of them to let them work out and eat all day. That's it. It looks really cool when you are 21. None of that shit looks cool ten years later.

What is most impressive....is a really dedicated person who made a shit load of progress rare for someone in that position...who also kicked major ass in school and their career. That takes real nuts.

Eating, sleeping and training....while what I would love to just do all day if I was like Jay Cutler and earning a major living from it...isn't that impressive when all you have to show for your life is your body.

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Waittz
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Professor X wrote:
Waittz wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
The3Commandments wrote:
I think that a lot of this discussion is colored by the fact that most on these boards are in college or their early 20s and do not have to make real priorities/choices compared to an adult like BlueCollar.

The 16 weeks of dieting is much more difficult than 16 weeks of bulking, of course. But if you're someone with a demanding job, kids, and maybe one other hobby in life, then being someone who can consistently train for years on end to gain LBM is a real challenge and takes more dedication than a diet that's measured in weeks, imo.


A wise observation.
The birth of a child, the death of a marriage, two companies closing down, the ups and downs of loving and leaving, parenting, parenting, and more parenting, coaching, competitions, injuries, diets [restricted and surplus], aging parents, etc. The iron and sweat are the only thing that has been consistent.



Good post....and this is why I will ALWAYS listen to a really built older dude over some college student who thinks they know everything with less than ten years of training under their belt.


Life throws curveballs. The dedicated guys keep lifting through the hard time....and let me tell you, MOST of the college aged students who train now won't be anywhere near a gym in ten years....especially the ones claiming they will.

Yes, getting huge and staying that way while also gaining an education and a career along with family and relationships means a hell of a lot.


Any college student should be able to stay focused in the gym unless they literally work all of the time along with school. If you can't do it during that time of your life, you sure as hell won't keep it up later.

Show me the guy who got built and actually accomplished several life goals with it and that is who deserves more credit than the guy who lives at the gym or hasn't even done much yet.


I might get flack for this considering it is T-Nation, but right on X. I cant stand some of the real big guys at my gym that walk around sizing up people and peacocking only to go to the parking lot and get in their beat up 20 year old car. It always reminds me of the scene in Bigger Faster Stronger who was "living the dream" outside of that Golds.



I knew a few people when I started lifting who literally did nothing but try to get whatever girl was taking care of them to let them work out and eat all day. That's it. It looks really cool when you are 21. None of that shit looks cool ten years later.

What is most impressive....is a really dedicated person who made a shit load of progress rare for someone in that position...who also kicked major ass in school and their career. That takes real nuts.

Eating, sleeping and training....while what I would love to just do all day if I was like Jay Cutler and earning a major living from it...isn't that impressive when all you have to show for your life is your body.


Spot on my friend. I am a business man first where as my career and financial well being rank higher than my body. I have seen many others go the opposite route since college and live with their parents, have dead end entry level jobs or mooch of a woman to support their training/sup(most the time gear) habbits.

If your body is how you make your living i fully understand it, but I dont get how somepeople sacrifice the financial and social elements of life in order to live at the gym. That is not to say my favorite way to spend my free time is pumping iron, but key thing here is 'free time'.

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UtahLama
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paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Yep, when you have 250lb guys getting down to around 200lbs in contest shape, it really puts things into perspective.

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chillain
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Waittz wrote:
If your body is how you make your living i fully understand it,


Even then, unless one eventually uses that living to positively impact the lives of others, I would question the standards/values by which that person lives their life.

(just my opinion, obviously)


edit - whoops, was posting in GAL and obviously brought that sentiment to this thread.

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ryan.b_96
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gregron wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√??????????√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Don't worry bro. If you just hold that top weight long enough, change your body's set point and then keep repeating this over and over without ever gowing below 20% BF, you'll get there eventually.


hahaha tnation should have a "like" button.

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detazathoth
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gregron wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
AzCats wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
fr0gger666 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold's hetero life mate and a good friend of his fianc√??????????√?????????√????????√???????√??????√?????√????√???√??√?¬©, he didn't undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who's gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I've share Stronghold's same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards


5'8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really




You can't be serious?

You didn't see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170's?

He's NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT




it's funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out "fat"(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn't necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren't necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could've done it another way


its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice... at 5'8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5'8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

lol @ 5'8 220-230 Lean


Frogger, have you ever seen anyone at 5'8" and even a lean 170? it's still a very impressive site.

I don't think you understand what 5'8" at 220-230 lean really looks like.


This is a lean 230 at 5'8... and he competes as a 212er in the IFBB


Once again....Why am I a natty?


Don't worry bro. If you just hold that top weight long enough, change your body's set point and then keep repeating this over and over without ever gowing below 20% BF, you'll get there eventually.


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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SSC
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I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

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GrindOverMatter
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SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

ya seriously


everyone go read the sock it to me thread---he was natural then and probably looked better than than ill ever look if i stay natty

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detazathoth
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SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.


It was to illustrate a point Skippy, apparently a poster by the name of Frogger here said anything short of being 5'8 230lbs lean in 4 years is a failure.

The picture was to show how ludicrous that idea is.

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SSC
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detazathoth wrote:
SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.


It was to illustrate a point Skippy, apparently a poster by the name of Frogger here said anything short of being 5'8 230lbs lean in 4 years is a failure.

The picture was to show how ludicrous that idea is.


10-4, and agree. There are a handful of posters cluttering most threads with absolute dribble and ridiculous bullshit. Some of them know who they are, some don't.

Oh well, T-Nation thrives on.

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optheta
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DoubleDuce wrote:
infinite_shore wrote:
optheta wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:


Once again....Why am I a natty?


I have been asking my self this question ALOT more lately.


I think that one monster in my gym had the best answer to that question: because we are pussies!

At first glance, it looks funny but if you think about it a bit....


aw......

I don't like needles.

I also do get a kick out of being bigger, stronger, and now leaner than most of the guys using.

I might be a pussy, but that just makes me a girl than can kick most of the men's butts.


And that ladies and gentlemen is the Goal of every Natty, to look bigger then the guys using and will spend a shit load on Supp's to be as big as the guy who is using. Its a fucking weird and sad circle.

And I agree with what infinite_shore said, ultimately every Natty who doesn't cycle is just a pussy(hey and its totally understandable messing with you hormones is dangerous business). But its fucked up to belittle the guy who took the leap that all natty's want to take.

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optheta
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GrindOverMatter wrote:
SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

ya seriously


everyone go read the sock it to me thread---he was natural then and probably looked better than than ill ever look if i stay natty


He wasn't.

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GrindOverMatter
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optheta wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

ya seriously


everyone go read the sock it to me thread---he was natural then and probably looked better than than ill ever look if i stay natty


He wasn't.

are you saying that because he admitted to trying a small cycle of prohormones?

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GrindOverMatter wrote:
optheta wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

ya seriously


everyone go read the sock it to me thread---he was natural then and probably looked better than than ill ever look if i stay natty


He wasn't.

are you saying that because he admitted to trying a small cycle of prohormones?


he was the size of most natty pros at 19, i do not believe he was natural but thats just my opinion and take it or leave it.

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red04
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GrindOverMatter wrote:
optheta wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
SSC wrote:
I understand the whole "natty" question that's going on in this thread, but I would highly advise against comparing progress to Aaron's, lol. Aaron is probably one of most genetically gifted people I've ever encountered. Gear will obviously help volumes with improving a physique, but I hope no one here is delusional enough to think that looking like Aaron is a particularly feasible goal.

ya seriously


everyone go read the sock it to me thread---he was natural then and probably looked better than than ill ever look if i stay natty


He wasn't.

are you saying that because he admitted to trying a small cycle of prohormones?


Preface: I don't mean this post as an affront to Aaron's accomplishment in bbing. Even if I believe my tone is completely respectful, I understand that meaning doesn't always convey properly in text and don't want people to label it as belittling him in any way.

Even if that were actually true(there is certainly reasonable doubt), using phrasing such as yours to diminish how 'small' his assistance was is dumb. He himself said in that thread that he understood how powerful prohormones were(are) and also understood, and self proclaimed, that he was not natural, would not compete in any natural shows because of the ethical conflict, and wouldn't use himself as a comparison for natural trainees.

When he defended his 'natural' status was in the sense that while the prohormones were certainly helpful, he made fantastic gains while off of them as well, and didn't want people to discredit all of his work as '100% chemically assisted.'

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