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RATTLEHEAD
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Spidey22 wrote:
RATTLEHEAD wrote:
What's happening diet wise?


Basically carb cycling.

2 high days (200g)
3 medium days (100g)
2 low days (0g)


Looks fine to me, then again I love low carb diets lol.

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Spidey22 wrote:
So still behind conditioning wise, and today is the 7 weeks out mark.

Things are going to get tough. Energy is definitely less then stellar. Plus the mental hang up of feeling so 'small' is tough.

I'm very much trying to look at this as an 'experience' and such, but this is definitely difficult. lol

Also, changing my split to a push/pull/legs split, that I will rotate over 5 days. I like to do the whole 'heavy/lower rep/compound day' and the 'pump/higher rep/iso' days, so if anyone has some suggestions and such, let me know!


Don't get frustrated/dis-enchanted about "shrinking." Think of it as chiseling the marble. You will shrink to a point and then "get bigger" as your shoulders, back, and other muscles start to stand out. Its kind of a find muck of an illusion and pretty cool. That's what leaning out has taught me.

Also, losing weight is difficult. I think for first timers trying to get especially lean it takes longer than expected, but once you "teach" your body the process it happens easier subsequently (that and learning your body). Just my broscience for the morning. Good luck, keep it up!

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Quasi-Tech wrote:
Spidey22 wrote:
So still behind conditioning wise, and today is the 7 weeks out mark.

Things are going to get tough. Energy is definitely less then stellar. Plus the mental hang up of feeling so 'small' is tough.

I'm very much trying to look at this as an 'experience' and such, but this is definitely difficult. lol

Also, changing my split to a push/pull/legs split, that I will rotate over 5 days. I like to do the whole 'heavy/lower rep/compound day' and the 'pump/higher rep/iso' days, so if anyone has some suggestions and such, let me know!


Don't get frustrated/dis-enchanted about "shrinking." Think of it as chiseling the marble. You will shrink to a point and then "get bigger" as your shoulders, back, and other muscles start to stand out. Its kind of a find muck of an illusion and pretty cool. That's what leaning out has taught me.

Also, losing weight is difficult. I think for first timers trying to get especially lean it takes longer than expected, but once you "teach" your body the process it happens easier subsequently (that and learning your body). Just my broscience for the morning. Good luck, keep it up!


Yep I agree with him.

For what it's worth here are some other tips.

You will be in front of an audience, to some degree as entertainment, as such you need to prepare your mind in the coming weeks and burn these few thing into your memory.


a.) remember to take your "before show shit."

b.) remember to breathe & don't lock your knees

c.) Before you go on stage you have to look in the mirror and say your three S's
Star, smile, strong.







d.) remember to have a ball, not everyone has two arms, two legs and your height. You are blessed. There may be better physique competitors in the country but there is only one YOU.

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Spidey22
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Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.

So have a pretty nasty case of food poisoning. Very bad, and most I think I'm going to b able to get down is some soup maybe.

But regardless, Happy Labor Day to all of ya'll, enjoy it!

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santisua
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jskrabac wrote:
paulieserafini wrote:
@Jake

IMO you went low carb too fast.
Kevin handles carb extremely well. Especially since in the off season he was eating 450g of carbs.

Obviously too late in the prep but I think a low fat/high-moderate carb approach would have been better on most days. But given him one or two high fat/low carb days a week.




Tried that. His weight stalled and he was not feeling good. Got to get some momentum going here.

I know this really sucks, but sometimes I really gotta play the bad guy I suppose. We tried many different ways of moving things around to keep carbs as high as possible.

And about the 450g of carbs...that was very short-lived. I'm sure Spidey can agree that he would've gotten fat pretty fast if we stayed on that track.

I appreciate your honest feedback. It keeps me on my feet and making sure I'm making decisions for the right reason.



Is there a calorie floor that you are using with his diet. I.E. you don't go below "X" amount of calories at any time during the diet? Just curious! Thanks

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Waittz
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Spidey22 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.

So have a pretty nasty case of food poisoning. Very bad, and most I think I'm going to b able to get down is some soup maybe.

But regardless, Happy Labor Day to all of ya'll, enjoy it!


Serious question......did you experience barfarrhea?

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Spidey22
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Waittz wrote:
Spidey22 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.

So have a pretty nasty case of food poisoning. Very bad, and most I think I'm going to b able to get down is some soup maybe.

But regardless, Happy Labor Day to all of ya'll, enjoy it!


Serious question......did you experience barfarrhea?


If that means what it sounds like, then sadly yes. lol

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Waittz
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Spidey22 wrote:
Waittz wrote:
Spidey22 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.

So have a pretty nasty case of food poisoning. Very bad, and most I think I'm going to b able to get down is some soup maybe.

But regardless, Happy Labor Day to all of ya'll, enjoy it!


Serious question......did you experience barfarrhea?


If that means what it sounds like, then sadly yes. lol


Yup...... ive only seen it happen from food poisoning and alcohol benders. No bueno......

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Spidey22
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Hai guys

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Spidey22
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191 lbs this morning

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Spidey22
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Boom

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Spidey22
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Alright guys, so I'm 191, and I have 6 weeks to go until the competition.

Realistically I was suppose to come in the 170's. I have 15-20 lbs to lose in 6 weeks to be in condition. No fault of Jake's, just my body has been VERY stubborn. It's strange it took over 3000 kcal daily to get over ~195 lbs, but sub-2000 kcal to get under 190.

I've gotten adjusted to the lower calorie/carb and no longer have energy issues, so surprisingly that's been no issue. Overall, though, as many will tell you, cutting to see how much muscle you actually have is disappointing, especially with my best BP (legs) looking to be covered by board shorts.

So, after talking to family, friends, etc, I feel I'm going to opt out of the competition. I'm eating very little, I'm way behind conditioning, losing the weight I need to lose in that time frame will likely cost me a bit of what little muscle I have, and I'm just at the end of the day, not happy with the package I would bring on stage.

I'm sincerely sorry if I disappointed anyone, I just have to do what I feel is best. Stepping on stage with a physique I feel isn't worthy of being there is not going to make me happy, and at the end of the day that's what lifting is about.

Jake has a physique I'm shooting for. He is roughly my weight, general BF%, all right now, at about 3-4 inches shorter. Even had this cut gone perfectly ideal, being 6'2", 170's, with MOST my mass in my legs just isn't a good build. When I started lifting, I wanted to be BIG. So I think I need to work on getting big and strong. That's what most, including Jake did, and I'm no different.

I likely start reverse dieting this week. I may start a log in the log section, if ya'll are still interested in following along with me. Like I said, I feel horrible like I'm letting everyone down. It was difficult for me to try and figure out if I was just being a pussy and wanting to quit, or whether my pride wasn't allowing me to quit when I knew it was the right decision. Some will likely still say I'm just a quitter, and that's justified. But regardless, this just isn't for me.

I'm glad I did this though. I'm a similar leanness and weight when I started this whole thing earlier this year, except my chest and delts are actually existent now. Last year being just a tad leaner I was in the 170's, so I've gained roughly 10-15 lbs of decent mass in the last year. Jake has helped me TREMENDOUSLY, in so many avenues, not just lifting. So I'm happy with my decision.

Thanks for all the support guys, it's been great, and I really hope ya'll will continue to lend me advice and encouragement through the coming months and years.

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ryanbCXG
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Good choice. And you should be doing this for you not everyone else. Who cares if they are disspointed

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spar4tee
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I support whatever decision you make, Kev. You did good and will be better prepared next time.

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RATTLEHEAD
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I must admit it was extremely odd how reluctant your body was to drop fat.

Make sure to do a log!

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kgildner
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Been lurking-following this thread for a while, and wish you the best with your reverse dieting/getting hyooge ambitions! Perhaps you'll be at a point in two years or so where you'll be able to make your present self seem like a beanpole. You've got a great work ethic, so I don't doubt you can make it there.

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spar4tee wrote:
I support whatever decision you make, Kev. You did good and will be better prepared next time.

I'll also add that a strength phase is highly recommended to reinforce your analysis.

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Spidey22
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Thanks everyone, it's awesome ya'll are so supportive. Ya'll have no idea how helpful that has been.

Spar4tee: Should have written that in my long message. lol. Going to go on a strength oriented program for awhile, feel that'll help me a good deal, if nothing else just for a change of pace.

Rattlehead: Yeah, I'm not really sure why my body was so stubborn. In all honesty, I should have just probably done a longer cut, and because of that we had to get too aggressive too quickly. Just threw my metabolism for a bit of a loop.

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GrindOverMatter
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Youre making the right choice. Honestly I wouldnt even start a 16 week prep at that bf Ievel.I'm sorry about being so blunt but you need a lot more time. To build muscle and build metabolism

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zephead4747
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I've read the whole thread and you made the right decision. Good luck bro and you will be back bigger and better next time.

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chobbs
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Your teardrop is gonna remain looking sick whatever you choose to do

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conservativedog
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... you mean all that advice I gave was for nothin??

... I'm gonna keel you. Where do you live?

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jppage
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I agree with all and think It's a good move Spidey.Start up a log for sure,I'll be following.

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Don't apologize. Your life, your decision. Just make sure that you won't feel the need to abort the process next time you set a similar goal.

ps: If I'm not mistaken, the "quitting" rate is rather high with these type of threads here on TN. Not judging, just noticing. I guess it shows how difficult these type of endeavors can be for a large number of different reasons.

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Spidey22
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LOL @ ConservatieDog

Seriously thank you everyone. I'll make a log very soon, I expect ALL of ya'll to follow lol

@Grind- Don't ever apologize for being blunt dude, no issue. I'll be taking a page out of your book, slowling building back up and focusing on getting my numbers up in the pressing, squatting, and pulling.

@InfiniteShore- I've noticed that too. I think honestly, most times, it seems they just don't give themselves enough time in case prep doesn't go perfectly (wiggle room basically).

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