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La Crosse Grad
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Really thinking about trying my luck at the mens physique division of two local NANBF contests this summer. Late July and early August specifically. I am 6'1"
Sorry no leg shots, these were all had from recently. Going to try and get some good lighting/angle shots today full body.
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jerometjosvold
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How did your first pic come out clear but none of the rest? You should retake all pics and include legs otherwise your rating isn't going to be as high and your feedback is going to be crappy. You seem fairly balanced and while I don't know a lot about physique, I have seen a few shows and I think the winners usually come in with a little more muscle mass than that. Hard to tell with your pictures.
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bugeishaAD
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Spend a few more years building muscle then maybe give it a go. Your arms look almost untrained, and you have really bad insertions and muscle bellies there as well (my problem too). It takes us quite awhile for most of us tall guys to fill out. Good luck.
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COMEONDIESEL
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Okay, if someone isn't gonna tell him, guess I will. You need a FIRM reality check. You're skinny as fuck. Dramatically increase those calories ffs and lift.
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njrusmc
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^ He's right. Good discipline for dieting down and getting "lean", and good courage for considering a show.
You need to lift and eat.
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La Crosse Grad
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Been using Lyle McDonalds dietary recomendations for lean mass gains (conservative end) since Jan this year. I have made steady gains in every major lift from then till now so I am happy with that. I would like to see more size come with it as well but its a slow going process as a 6'1" ecto. Based on his numbers I could go to 3500 calories with a breakdown of 95f/350c/285p with 1-2 days of low fats and 570g carbs. Seems pretty damn high but it seems to work wonders for many hard gainers and tall ectos who follow the plan as well. I myself am not big on sudden and drastic changes to training or diet. Thats just me for better or worse.
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8ProteinLiftW8
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Dude you've made 4 months of progress in 4 years. You need to eat food.
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jerometjosvold
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Yeah you need to not worry about gaining a little extra fat to gain the mass. You need to eat a lot lot more. You seem semi balanced but haven't made much of any progress.
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La Crosse Grad
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jerometjosvold wrote:
Yeah you need to not worry about gaining a little extra fat to gain the mass. You need to eat a lot lot more. You seem semi balanced but haven't made much of any progress.
Fat is not my concern trust me. In fact I have done a formal eating contest/challenge at some place around town every Saturday for 7 weeks in a row now. Giant Burgers, Carrot Cake, Monster Burritos, Lasagna etc....you name it I have done it somewhere over the past 7 weeks. Now granted its one meal a week but the fact that I do eat these kinds of huge meals each week shows I am not concerned about gaining body fat.
Size is what I want but I want it to be done in a healthy and tactical manner. Getting sloppy is not an excuse to get big. I mean what kind of progress is it to just get bigger (more muscle) and become a slob with hypertension and high cholesterol?
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therickuss
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i know you doing your own thing here but if you want to build on that upper body you gotta cut out HIIT. If you still want to get the same benefits as interval training without loosing muscle combine a circuit workout with german volume training. such as 10 pullups 10 pushups 10 leglifts(or 20 mtn climbers) and 10 jumps squats, then do that circuit 10 times with minimal rest. that alone will build muscle. try to complete it under ten min.
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La Crosse Grad
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therickuss wrote:
i know you doing your own thing here but if you want to build on that upper body you gotta cut out HIIT. If you still want to get the same benefits as interval training without loosing muscle combine a circuit workout with german volume training. such as 10 pullups 10 pushups 10 leglifts(or 20 mtn climbers) and 10 jumps squats, then do that circuit 10 times with minimal rest. that alone will build muscle. try to complete it under ten min.
This sounds fun as hell to be frank.....I'd rather do this then elliptical/bike intervals any day since thats all I have done 2x a week every week for about 9-10 weeks now. Its a kick ass cardio workout without question and great for the CVS but at the same time I feel I respond much to strongly to HIIT in regard to metabolism boosts and weight loss. Anything I can do to keep the good and remove the bad (weight loss) is good in my book.
I look into something like what you describe. Thanks for suggestions!
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Naked Sweat Drip
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You Don't have to get sloppy but steadily gaining 1-2lbs a week would be a good place to start.....................
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grox
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There are a surprising number of people who choose to make no gains for months and continue to look like they don't even lift rather than eat food.
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La Crosse Grad
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I have hired Marc Lobliner of Machine Training Solutions to oversee my diet with me for the next several months at least. Someone to act as a 3rd objective eye on my progress (or lack there of). Just sent him my stats and info, and these pictures yesterday. I am anxious to see what he changes or adjust based on what he sees.
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Iron Dwarf
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Maybe this will help. Nate Green to the rescue!
thenategreenexperience.com/blog/scrawny-to-brawny-paul-valiulis
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Airtruth
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Assuming your diet is what you say it is you may still need more calories to build muscle. If your planning on entering a show then you need to lower your carbs and fat. However after the show or if you don't enter it the single biggest mistake you are making is HIT. Stop now, it is great for people who already have the muscle and went to tone up, but if you don't have the bellies it just makes you look slimmer and reduces the effects of the pump you get from resistance training.
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La Crosse Grad
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Airtruth wrote:
Assuming your diet is what you say it is you may still need more calories to build muscle. If your planning on entering a show then you need to lower your carbs and fat. However after the show or if you don't enter it the single biggest mistake you are making is HIT. Stop now, it is great for people who already have the muscle and went to tone up, but if you don't have the bellies it just makes you look slimmer and reduces the effects of the pump you get from resistance training.
No plans of doing a show what so ever for a long time. I want to and need to gain 12-15lb at my height of 6'2'' to even consider dieting down for a show as a natural. Sad part is, I was 220 my senior year of high school with very general lifting and a basic diet of 4-5 meals. Sports based training for football and wrestling was all I did. Been losing weight ever since despite eating better and training more specific for aesthetics and size vs sports performance. Stronger then ever now however so thats a plus.
Marc should be able to help me on the size aspects now so will see where he takes me with that.
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Webseeker
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therickuss wrote:
i know you doing your own thing here but if you want to build on that upper body you gotta cut out HIIT. If you still want to get the same benefits as interval training without loosing muscle combine a circuit workout with german volume training. such as 10 pullups 10 pushups 10 leglifts(or 20 mtn climbers) and 10 jumps squats, then do that circuit 10 times with minimal rest. that alone will build muscle. try to complete it under ten min.
Yeah let him do some more fatburning stuff. LOL'D @ german volume training
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Webseeker
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Its very simple. Compound lifting and Calories...
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La Crosse Grad
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Got my updates from Marc Sunday. Bumped things up with diet but wants me to keep training just as it has been.
Macros on all days (on and off) set at:
300g carbs
255g protein
90g fats
Still dropped out all HIIT in favor of 3 LISS sessions kept under 140bpm and nothing over 30 minutes. Third week without HIIT so will see if that removal has the desired outcomes. Also keeping with the lower volume workouts in favor of short and sweet high intensity techniques to get in and out of the gym quicker.
Was 195lbs last Saturday morning, 192lbs this past Saturday morning. Not the happiest about that but I'll do as I am told and nothing more/less. Compliance is key to making this work long term.
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illgixxer
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I think you're wasting youre money if you're paying for diet consultation at this point.
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BigRedMachine87
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I'm 6'2 and weigh about 217 and I still feel like I need to gain some weight.
Eat more, squat more,dead more, bench more. Gain 60 pounds, then cut.
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La Crosse Grad
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illgixxer wrote:
I think you're wasting youre money if you're paying for diet consultation at this point.
Why is that? Why would it not be helpful to have a 3rd independent eye trained on what to look for to assure I am making the gains I need to be making in the places I need to make it at the rate I should be making it? How is that wasting money? Just asking...
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La Crosse Grad
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Marc has bumped me up to the follows macros as of yesterday after seeing this Sundays pics and stats.
I lost 1.5lbs over the week with no added cardio and an increase of 250 calories from the week before.
Now at:
277 protein
350 carbs
90 fats
5-6 meals a day still, 3x a week LISS cardio for 30 minutes and 5 days lifting. Same as before.
Last nights AYCE sushi cheat meal best get me a nice jump on seeing the damn scale creep up this coming weekend!
5 rolls in an hour baby! First time trying real deal sushi at that....I am now a fan for life!
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