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winston43
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sergio oliva had greater potetial but never was in weider corner like the oak . arnold calves were better than sergio and his arms looked better even though oliva had better triceps . sergios arms lokked like hams

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winston43
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how about frank zane

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Ghost16
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I always thought Bill Pearl had a thick waist and poor conditioning...

The rest of his body was amazing though.

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facko
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Ghost16 wrote:
I always thought Bill Pearl had a thick waist and poor conditioning...

The rest of his body was amazing though.


It's odd that I feel a lot of the conditioning lacked during this era. I mean..you got natty guys like Nunez and the like today getting into obscene levels of conditioning. They are natty..so..I don't get why the guys from the golden days couldn't do the same, because they def were on gear..

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Ghost16
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facko wrote:
Ghost16 wrote:
I always thought Bill Pearl had a thick waist and poor conditioning...

The rest of his body was amazing though.


It's odd that I feel a lot of the conditioning lacked during this era. I mean..you got natty guys like Nunez and the like today getting into obscene levels of conditioning. They are natty..so..I don't get why the guys from the golden days couldn't do the same, because they def were on gear..



I think it just boils down to the fact that crazy conditioning wasn't as important back then. They didn't care about striated glutes in the Golden Age. Plus our knowledge of how to get super shredded and peak properly is much better today than it was several decades ago.

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Kakarat
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If you ever get a chance check out Arnolds encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding. You might be able to find an e-book online somewhere, but the pictures alone are worth the 20 bucks at a book store. Its like 300 pages with pictures on every page.

That book started me out when i was lifting, and although a lot of the information is basically negligible now-a-days the pictures make it clear arnold was the best because everything above sucks.

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The Mighty Stu
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Arnold's Encyclopedia was the first book I picked up myself. While it may be a bit misleading in terms of the suggested bodypart split and work volume, the pictures presented and breakdown of various exercises for each bodypart makes it an excellent resource, even today.

When I was getting ready for my first contest, I went back and actually read through Arnold's breakdown of contest posing for the first time, despite having had the book for over a decade. There aren't really too many great references for people when it comes to posing. Sure there are a few good videos on youtube, but getting insight from the Man himself, and seeing the examples used (great Builders from the Golden Age), is definitely worthwhile.

S

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Kakarat
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The Mighty Stu wrote:
Arnold's Encyclopedia was the first book I picked up myself. While it may be a bit misleading in terms of the suggested bodypart split and work volume, the pictures presented and breakdown of various exercises for each bodypart makes it an excellent resource, even today.

When I was getting ready for my first contest, I went back and actually read through Arnold's breakdown of contest posing for the first time, despite having had the book for over a decade. There aren't really too many great references for people when it comes to posing. Sure there are a few good videos on youtube, but getting insight from the Man himself, and seeing the examples used (great Builders from the Golden Age), is definitely worthwhile.

S


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Nards wrote:

You know, this is rude but the worst part of his body to me is that incredibly kickable face.


Tim Belknapp deserves props IMO for being an incredibly innovative bodybuilder. Being a type 1 diabetic, he had supplemented with insulin his whole life. Once he got serious with bodybuilding, he tinkered around with his dosages and found that by using more than his therapeutic doses, he was able to build much more mass.

He paved the way for Dorian and all the modern mass monsters.

BTW that's an unflattering photo...here's a better one.

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Anus Bleach
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cutler, franco, bannout

neither deserved to win any Mr. Os (cept maybe Cutler in 09)

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The Mighty Stu
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Anus Bleach wrote:
cutler, franco, bannout

neither deserved to win any Mr. Os (cept maybe Cutler in 09)


IMO Bannout was the best man onstage in a year of second tier Pros. Not that anyone was in poor shape, simply that none of the other top 10 competitors really had everything necessary to step up and be the new Mr Olympia. Bannout was the least-unqualified of the lot, and actually looked the best he's ever looked that one year ('83 I believe).

S

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I'm gunna get shit on but I always thought flex wheeler was overrated. He had huge puffy delts but his clavicles were actually very narrow. He also had high calves and high lats and not much vascularity.


Waiting for people to flame me... lol

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I'm gunna get shit on but I always thought flex wheeler was overrated. He had huge puffy delts but his clavicles were actually very narrow. He also had high calves and high lats and not much vascularity.


Waiting for people to flame me... lol

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Proud_Virgin
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Ghost16 wrote:
I'm gunna get shit on but I always thought flex wheeler was overrated. He had huge puffy delts but his clavicles were actually very narrow. He also had high calves and high lats and not much vascularity.


Waiting for people to flame me... lol


Early Flex Wheeler was incredible, right around the time he went pro at 210 pounds or thereabout.

But later on, when he tried to play the mass game to match Doz, Nasser, Levrone & Ronnie, he got a little overzealous with the Esiclene/Synthol & didn't look as good.

Not to mention how he looks these days...uggggh.

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mntnbiker
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Nards wrote:

You know, this is rude but the worst part of his body to me is that incredibly kickable face.

he looks like a down syndrome on roids! fuk bet hed sweep that macca's floor like a champion tho! now thats rude!!

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Ghost16
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Why you guys gotta be so MEAN!?!

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Iron Dwarf
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The Mighty Stu wrote:
Anus Bleach wrote:
cutler, franco, bannout

neither deserved to win any Mr. Os (cept maybe Cutler in 09)


IMO Bannout was the best man onstage in a year of second tier Pros. Not that anyone was in poor shape, simply that none of the other top 10 competitors really had everything necessary to step up and be the new Mr Olympia. Bannout was the least-unqualified of the lot, and actually looked the best he's ever looked that one year ('83 I believe).

S


I have to agree. He was perfectly proportioned and was well-conditioned.

I knew he was onto stardom in '79 when I saw him compete at the Mr World in Warminster, PA.
He had the look Frank Zane SHOULDA had.

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Ghost16
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Another one that might piss people off...

I always thought Frank Zane was overrated. He was way too small IMO. I feel like we throw the smaller bodybuilders a bone by calling them 'aesthetic'.

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FightinIrish26
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I honestly think today's bodybuilders are overrated. They're ridiculously large and they're not even that strong.

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PimpBot5000
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mntnbiker wrote:
he looks like a down syndrome on roids! fuk bet hed sweep that macca's floor like a champion tho! now thats rude!!



Confusing statement is confusing...

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Iron Dwarf
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FightinIrish26 wrote:
I honestly think today's bodybuilders are overrated. They're ridiculously large and they're not even that strong.


Well, that's a subjective view, but the strong part doesn't really matter in bodybuilding.

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Wrah
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Frank Zane is underrated and only because he didn't have super thick arms.

Who is overrated? All the guys with super thick arms and not much else. Dexter Jackson, Phil Heath, Lee Priest from the more recent ones. Some might not like Arnold's or Cutler's physique but you got to admit that they had and have mass and stature.

And many, or even most, bodybuilders from the 90's are overrated, maybe because the 80's were a little lackluster in terms of competition. Then the 90's came and people exaggerated how great it was. Now add a little nostalgia and in some people's mind it's the only real bodybuilding decade.

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want2getlean
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nik133 wrote:
Lol at Arnold having weak legs, Arnold's legs were actually really good for their time. Arnold will also have one of the best upper bodies of all time and size that was absolutely unheard of for his time. Most dominant Mr O ever.



Goods legs for the time? You mean, the time where a certain Mr Platz was around?

As for most dominant... that would by definition go to Haney or Coleman.

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RTJenforcer
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want2getlean wrote:
nik133 wrote:
Lol at Arnold having weak legs, Arnold's legs were actually really good for their time. Arnold will also have one of the best upper bodies of all time and size that was absolutely unheard of for his time. Most dominant Mr O ever.



Goods legs for the time? You mean, the time where a certain Mr Platz was around?

As for most dominant... that would by definition go to Haney or Coleman.


Arnold was a little before Platz' time. Arnold's last O was 1980, Platz' first was 1979. Plus Arnold's physique was the full package and not just a pair of legs, not to devalue Platz' acheivements.

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Samir
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Look, this is nuts, but I always thought Jay Cutler was a gross human being to look at. Uncontested Mr. O by their rules, but what an ugly, blocky man. Also, cold and lacking in charisma - he's about as interesting to watch as broccoli rotting.

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