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ryanbCXG
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Ephedirine + caffeine + green tea. All you need for fat burning

Got a damn solid base man

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Professor X
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thefreshmanverve wrote:
as of late my body has been putting up a lot of resistance for more weight loss





You don't think there is a reason for that? I don't see any sign of any muscle gain on you. You may or may not look leaner, but with that much hair covering you, you are not going to be showing much of a difference without DRASTIC body fat changes (like in the area of 20lbs+ loss or more).

I'm not knocking your goals, just trying to give you some perspective. You will likely notice more muscle loss if you insist on dropping even more weight, especially since you just gained it not too long ago.

Your body slowing down fat loss means it is adapting in an attempt to save you. It thinks you are starving.

You are...slowly.

You either give it a break and continue later, drop more calories (which will likely mean more muscle loss at your stage), or increase activity levels.

If this is a Spring Break thing, you would likely be happier with the end result if you were carrying more mass on you before you started dieting.

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thefreshmanverve
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i definitely have not been gaining any muscle. I am not sure how much I have lost still lifting heavy and on the big 3 lifts my squat has DRASTICALLY gone down. Does that mean I have lost muscle in my legs? probably a little but more so my waist has shrunk(im on the last notch of my lifting belt) making it much more difficult to get out of the hole. My bench has gone down a little bit with the incline dumbbell suffering the most 120's used to get 6 fairly comfortably now getting 4. My deadlift has not suffered at all still pulling some heavy weight. My shoulder presses have suffered too but not too drastically.

I do look somewhat leaner in the face especially but I feel like I just look smaller, my clothes fit a lot looser. Your perspective about having to lose A LOT of weight to get to where I want to be is something that I underestimated. I feel like I have so far away to go to get to where I want to be even after losing 10 lbs and won't be happy with the results until I'm around 160-165.

I'm going to go with your advice and try bumping up the calories a bit and increasing activity levels by starting to do cardio. Attached is a pic I took without the hair showing. Still have long way to go and yes this is a spring break/summer thing and if I think that results suck I will try again next year.

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Professor X
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The results suck. No offense, but that much strength loss is a giant red flag that you are fucking up and losing muscle now.

You seem insistent on losing more weight though so I am guessing you will simply have to learn this all on your own.

You are already lean. You don't have the mass to achieve the look you think you are after.

But hey, what do I know.

Good luck on your goals.

Your best bet is to STOP dieting for now and possibly even work on gaining for a month or so before returning to it.

No one's squat should be falling like that from losing 10lbs. It means much of what you are losing now is likely half and half fat and muscle....which means for every ten pounds, you will lose 5lbs of muscle or more.

You are trying to walk around in a fitness model body before you actually built the size like one.

If I drop only 10lbs and see strength loss that is anything other than me being more tired so I finish a set early, then I know I did it wrong.

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thefreshmanverve
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"that much strength loss is a giant red flag that you are fucking up and losing muscle now"

If i really knew for sure that I was losing significant amount of muscle I would forget about the 6pack this summer hit the buffet after every workout until I at least get back the muscle I lost and than take it REAL slow and aim for the six pack by next summer.

With the way that I am lifting and continuing to lift throughout my diet (a working set of 3-6 reps) on the main lifts the fact that my deadlift is still going strong I wrote the losses off as loss in leverages. My gut being a pillow in the hole off the squat.............and the width of my back increasing the surface area on bench coupled with less of a puffed out chest increasing the distance that I move the weight.

My good morning has not suffered, none of the higher rep work I do after the main lifts have suffered. I'm still one arm deadstopping the same amount, still shrugging the same amount, got it on with the quad machine and hamstring machine for a change after my squatting yesterday and rocked those out.

I've been trying to be sensible about this whole thing just recently got some BCAAs drinking those like water this morning I didn't have time to put them in little baggies so I put the whole jug in my backpack. Been making my calories count more so than I ever have before.

"You are already lean. You don't have the mass to achieve the look you think you are after"
The look that I'm after is a 6 pack while trying not to lose too much of the muscle I worked really hard to get. I know this probably sounds like a crazy thing (it's not scientific or anything) it's just what I think but I worked out for a really long time not taking any supplements at all just str8 up food nonstop.

I believe that in that time the muscle that I built up is super dense muscle that will stay with me and that it's somehow "different" than muscle you gain from cell volumizing substances, synthetic amino acids, etc. I know that sounds retarded but that's really what I think.

I am not delusional I know looking like a fitness model or whatever will not happen. I want to get down to a lower weight along with the vanity of the abz goal but to be healthier make my organs do less work, get rid of all the shyt gathered up in my fat cells, cuz I mean most people usually work out to be healthy right?(yes I know super low body fat is not healthy but lower weight)

If anybody has ever gone to the gym right when it opens and see the same people there and you probably think most of them are idiots since over the last X years they never seem to look all that different a lot of them probably just work out to be healthy. I'm not talking about the 60 year old guys either where it's just good for them to be moving even though they flop around on the bouncy ball for an hour doing alternating arm raises with short shorts on but the guys in their 30's early 40's.

I know what you are saying is from your own experiences and getting the feedback is awesome I've always taken whatever the bodybuilder type guys at the gym back home tell me as gold.(actually there was only one guy that was like that he wouldn't talk to anyone and everyone was too afraid to talk to him but he would always help me out and changed the way I think about a lot of things) I've posted a few times and not gotten much feeback.

I do however need something a bit more concrete to really change what I'm doing more so than you are probably losing as much fat as you are muscle.I assume the only way to really know for sure is to monitor body fat levels on a weekly or biweekly basis? The gym I go to now has BF testing where you stand on a scale barefoot so I'm assuming it's some kind of electric pulse I tried searching on accuracy of them couldn't come up with anything.

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Professor X
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I wouldn't take body fat readings that often. The margin for error is enough that you could fuck up all because of a 5% body fat error.

I already told you what to do. You have three options. Stop and give your body a break and eat, lower calories even more, or increase activity levels.

The BCAAs are nice and I think leucine is a good one to add as well.

Most people judge their muscle retention by strength loss or gain. You didn't have enough of a belly to be attributed pounds lost due to leverage. That is shit people say when they used to weigh over 250lbs.

For instance, I had to regain strength in areas when I dropped from close to 300 simply because my leverages changed. You haven't lost that much weight.

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The Mighty Stu
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Most competitors I know, as well as myself, don't experience strength loses, even a few weeks out from a contest because the goal is to never run your body down so far that it's fat loss essentially stops (and muscle loss takes the drivers seat). You may not want to abandon your diet, but I'd wager that a few days off from the gym, and a quality refeed might help out quite a bit.

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thefreshmanverve
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I'm going to forget about the body fat testing way too much margin for error.

Increasing activity levels with basketball sounds like a good option to not run my body
down so far that fat loss stops. I will start slow see what happens when holding calories
the same. Than adjust accordingly finding some type of balance between extra cals burned/
more food intake to keep my metabolism going.

I just looked at the BCAA's I have and it has 3500 mg of L-Leucine per serving.

I've been taking another supplement starting at diet time postworkout that suppresses
cortisol and that ish really works at burning belly fat for me I'm down to the last notch
on the belt and I'm blowing out in the pic as much as I can like I do when I'm squatting and I have to really work to get tight. Started from 3rd to last notch prediet.

Now im curious as to when you say that you don't experience strength losses other than your experience in cutting and that you really know what you;re doing if you think rep ranges have anything to do with it. I decided to stay lifting heavy like I was before since I read an article that said you need to give your body a reason to hold on to the muscle and it made sense to me so that's what I did. I don't know if maybe if I was working up to higher rep ranges if I would have maintained that on the squat and bench or if I decide to start working up to higher rep max work sets(on squat and bench but not deadlift) if it would not be optimal.

I've had two experiences with cheat/refeed days so far. First time was two weeks in my workouts were stalling so I had a cheat day high fat/high carb/high protein with a little less than double calories than I was eating at the time. Gained 4 lbs and workouts still sucked. Very recently I tried a carb up day when my workouts started to suck where I had only a couple hundred calories higher than normal but had 250 grams of carbs in one sitting followed by slamming two servings of BCAA's and very little fat throughout the day. Next day my weight was the same and my workout felt really good in that the weight was going up a lot quicker, but no increase in number of reps. From my limited experience that was quality to me. What kind of refeeds have you had best results with? anything else important other than "increasing acitivity levels and quality refeeds/breaks to not run body down so far its fat loss stops" I'm just trying to learn and apply and do this not stupid....thanks

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roguevampire
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Professor X wrote:
I used to wish I could grow chest hair like that.

As body hair goes, I was out of college before I got chest hair...and you can still barely see it.

Why shave that unless your girl wants you to or you are competing?



Why shave it? Walking around in the summer time with a tank top and having body hair just don't go good together. body hair completely hides any muscularity that you have. Lose the hair.

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roguevampire
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thefreshmanverve wrote:
i definitely have not been gaining any muscle. I am not sure how much I have lost still lifting heavy and on the big 3 lifts my squat has DRASTICALLY gone down. Does that mean I have lost muscle in my legs? probably a little but more so my waist has shrunk(im on the last notch of my lifting belt) making it much more difficult to get out of the hole. My bench has gone down a little bit with the incline dumbbell suffering the most 120's used to get 6 fairly comfortably now getting 4. My deadlift has not suffered at all still pulling some heavy weight. My shoulder presses have suffered too but not too drastically.

I do look somewhat leaner in the face especially but I feel like I just look smaller, my clothes fit a lot looser. Your perspective about having to lose A LOT of weight to get to where I want to be is something that I underestimated. I feel like I have so far away to go to get to where I want to be even after losing 10 lbs and won't be happy with the results until I'm around 160-165.

I'm going to go with your advice and try bumping up the calories a bit and increasing activity levels by starting to do cardio. Attached is a pic I took without the hair showing. Still have long way to go and yes this is a spring break/summer thing and if I think that results suck I will try again next year.



Why would you want to be 165lbs? Why not just concentrate on gaining tons of size while keeping your fat levels under control.

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roguevampire
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thefreshmanverve wrote:
"that much strength loss is a giant red flag that you are fucking up and losing muscle now"

If i really knew for sure that I was losing significant amount of muscle I would forget about the 6pack this summer hit the buffet after every workout until I at least get back the muscle I lost and than take it REAL slow and aim for the six pack by next summer.

With the way that I am lifting and continuing to lift throughout my diet (a working set of 3-6 reps) on the main lifts the fact that my deadlift is still going strong I wrote the losses off as loss in leverages. My gut being a pillow in the hole off the squat.............and the width of my back increasing the surface area on bench coupled with less of a puffed out chest increasing the distance that I move the weight.

My good morning has not suffered, none of the higher rep work I do after the main lifts have suffered. I'm still one arm deadstopping the same amount, still shrugging the same amount, got it on with the quad machine and hamstring machine for a change after my squatting yesterday and rocked those out.

I've been trying to be sensible about this whole thing just recently got some BCAAs drinking those like water this morning I didn't have time to put them in little baggies so I put the whole jug in my backpack. Been making my calories count more so than I ever have before.

"You are already lean. You don't have the mass to achieve the look you think you are after"
The look that I'm after is a 6 pack while trying not to lose too much of the muscle I worked really hard to get. I know this probably sounds like a crazy thing (it's not scientific or anything) it's just what I think but I worked out for a really long time not taking any supplements at all just str8 up food nonstop.

I believe that in that time the muscle that I built up is super dense muscle that will stay with me and that it's somehow "different" than muscle you gain from cell volumizing substances, synthetic amino acids, etc. I know that sounds retarded but that's really what I think.

I am not delusional I know looking like a fitness model or whatever will not happen. I want to get down to a lower weight along with the vanity of the abz goal but to be healthier make my organs do less work, get rid of all the shyt gathered up in my fat cells, cuz I mean most people usually work out to be healthy right?(yes I know super low body fat is not healthy but lower weight)

If anybody has ever gone to the gym right when it opens and see the same people there and you probably think most of them are idiots since over the last X years they never seem to look all that different a lot of them probably just work out to be healthy. I'm not talking about the 60 year old guys either where it's just good for them to be moving even though they flop around on the bouncy ball for an hour doing alternating arm raises with short shorts on but the guys in their 30's early 40's.

I know what you are saying is from your own experiences and getting the feedback is awesome I've always taken whatever the bodybuilder type guys at the gym back home tell me as gold.(actually there was only one guy that was like that he wouldn't talk to anyone and everyone was too afraid to talk to him but he would always help me out and changed the way I think about a lot of things) I've posted a few times and not gotten much feeback.

I do however need something a bit more concrete to really change what I'm doing more so than you are probably losing as much fat as you are muscle.I assume the only way to really know for sure is to monitor body fat levels on a weekly or biweekly basis? The gym I go to now has BF testing where you stand on a scale barefoot so I'm assuming it's some kind of electric pulse I tried searching on accuracy of them couldn't come up with anything.




Why is the "6 pack" so much of a goal. Do you know how many dudes i see at this beach in nh called hampton beach, walking around. yet not one of them are over 170lbs. To me, thats not impressive. They all want the abs, cause they think the girls love them. They also love a big strong dude, that looks like he can lift a house.

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roguevampire
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If you don't lose strength, to me, that means you haven't lost muscle and vice versa. Sometimes even losing just fat, you can lose strength. But if you lose muscle, you will definately lose strength.

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thefreshmanverve
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im aiming for around 165 because that would be a weight I need to get to to get to desired leanness and the 6 pack goal which is out of vanity, along with accomplishment. I've been able to gain size but I've never really tried to get lean so it's something I want for reasons of personal accomplishment as well.

it's rare to see someone real lean and big; most of those guys that you see sub 170 most of them probably shoulder press the 80 lb DB's if they are of the elite.
I would never let that happen to where I would get strength that low. If it did I would not continue like that.

If I start to lose strength on everything I would know I'm losing muscle if I just lose strength on certain excercises than it's possible that it could be due to losing fat. How do you know for sure though I guess you just have to gauge it yourself.

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