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pushharder
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Varqanir wrote:
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So yeah, we can pretty much shit-can the swill that the Bible definitely teaches a flat earth.


We should probably shit-can the swill that assumes that anyone can say with absolute authority what the Bible definitely teaches.



Except the parts where the Bible absolutely teaches something.



Indeed. Problem is, the Bible wasn't written by the 14th, 15th and 16th pre-Magellan explorers, geographers and mathematicians. It was written by agriculturists, military leaders and religious proselytizers 20, 30, or 40 centuries ago who had more important things to do than to worry about the size of the sun or the shape of the earth.



But this doesn't mean the Bible teaches a flat earth. As you implied. In fact, you even posted a photo of a flat earth, did you not? And it was in the context of what you were implying the Bible teaches. Why back pedal now?



I'm not knocking the Bible, I just don't use it as a biology, geology or astronomy textbook.



Huh? Do you of someone who does?

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Marzouk wrote:
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Metric is stupid. Try building something in metric. Cut something in half, you got 0.5, again, 0.25, again 0.125, again 0.0625, again 0.03125. How do you divide something into thirds? 0.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333. Yeah go fuck yourself.

Don't get me started on soccer.


SMH what the fuck are you builing? A nanobot?

Cut 100cms in half you get 50cm... then 25cm then 12.5cm it really isn't that difficult. Unless basic maths is an issue.



What lengths do common building materials come in in countries that use the metric system?

Plywood, rigid foam, the studs you use for walls...?

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pushharder wrote:

Except the parts where the Bible absolutely teaches something.


You cannot tell me that everyone agrees on what is absolutely being taught. The existence of the Flat Earth Society should be prima facae evidence of this.

I'd like to put you, Sloth, Brother Chris, Tiribulus and Karado in a room, and have you discuss any "definite teaching" of the bible in detail. Probably not too much consensus will happen.

But this doesn't mean the Bible teaches a flat earth. As you implied. In fact, you even posted a photo of a flat earth, did you not? And it was in the context of what you were implying the Bible teaches. Why back pedal now?


Not back pedaling. I stand by what I originally wrote. The Bible is silent on the sphericality of the planet. It refers to the "circle" of the earth, but also talks about the "four corners" and the "ends of the earth" where the "firmament" rests on "pillars".

The Hebrews in the Bronze Age may have believed a lot of things about the nature of their physical universe, but the idea that their earth was one of several spheres of molten and solid rock in orbital rotation around a super massive exploding ball of hydrogen and helium among billions upon billions of other such balls of gas, in an expanse of space too broad to be measured, was probably not the majority view among those who wrote the scriptures.

I don't criticize the authors for writing what they did. It's pretty good stuff. It's what they imagined their world to be, and their understanding of things made perfect sense for their time and the realities of their existence. But it doesn't matter to us now. It doesn't matter whether the Bible says the earth is circular or sherical or toroid or even hemorrhoid. It doesn't matter that the Bible seems to imply that the earth was created before the sun, or that the rotation of the entire planet actually literally stopped for several hours so that a bunch of bronze age tribesmen in the eastern Mediterranean could finish fighting a bunch of other tribesmen. It really doesn't matter.

Because it's background noise to what should be the main message: love God, love other people as much as you love yourself, and treat them how you'd like to be treated. There it is. All that really matters, according to Hillel and Jesus. The whole of the law. All else is just commentary.

By the way, Rabbi Hillel and Jesus lived in Jerusalem at the same time. He may have been one of Jesus' teachers.

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Varqanir wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Except the parts where the Bible absolutely teaches something.


You cannot tell me that everyone agrees on what is absolutely being taught.

I'd like to put you, Sloth, Brother Chris, Tiribulus and Karado in a room, and have you discuss any "definite teaching" of the bible in detail. Probably not too much consensus will happen.



I heartily disagree. I guarantee you Sloth, BC, T and I (Mustard Man doesn't count) would heartily agree on many of the fundamentals. Absolutely guarantee you.

(don't start a thread that attempts to organize said conference as I'm not interested)



Not back pedaling. I stand by what I originally wrote.



OK, maybe you're not back pedaling on what you "wrote" but your posted photo clearly implies that you were pushing the "Bible teaches a flat earth" idea when it clearly does not, even by your own recent admission.

So is that back pedaling? Many a reasonable man would say yes, I suspect.

Nonetheless vigorous handshakes, whiskey, beautiful women, travel, and discussion of the meaning of life are still in order between you and I.

How come you never responded to my last email?



The Bible is silent on the sphericality of the planet. It refers to the "circle" of the earth, but also talks about the "four corners" and the "ends of the earth" where the "firmament" rests on "pillars".

The Hebrews in the Bronze Age may have believed a lot of things about the nature of their physical universe, but the idea that their earth was one of several spheres of molten and solid rock in orbital rotation around a super massive exploding ball of hydrogen and helium among billions upon billions of other such balls of gas, in an expanse of space too broad to be measured, was probably not the majority view among those who wrote the scriptures.

I don't criticize the authors for writing what they did. It's pretty good stuff. It's what they imagined their world to be, and their understanding of things made perfect sense for their time and the realities of their existence. But it doesn't matter to us now. It doesn't matter whether the Bible says the earth is circular or sherical or toroid or even hemorrhoid. It doesn't matter that the Bible seems to imply that the earth was created before the sun, or whether whether the rotation of the entire planet actually literally stopped for several hours so that a bunch of bronze age tribesmen in the eastern Mediterranean could finish fighting a bunch of other tribesmen. It really doesn't matter.

Because it's background noise to what should be the main message: love God, love other people as much as you love yourself, and treat them how you'd like to be treated. There it is. All that really matters, according to Hillel and Jesus. The whole of the law. All else is just commentary.

By the way, Rabbi Hillel and Jesus lived in Jerusalem at the same time. He may have been one of Jesus' teachers.



Food for thought: have you ever considered that pre-Flood technological advances, knowledge and wisdom may have been incredibly beyond what we normally would think? Set aside your probable lack of belief in the Flood.

By the way, did you happen to look up that article posted by Jewbacca in the Kirk Cameron thread? The one about Time and the origin of the universe and earth?

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Didn't see the Kirk Cameron thread.

If I can get over the fact that I consider Kirk Cameron to be the Justin Bieber of theology, I'll give it a look.

Sorry for not responding. I'll take care of that now.

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Varqanir wrote:

...Kirk Cameron...



He ain't got nuthin to do with the discussion I'm referring to (the Jewbacca posted article). It's fascinating.

I guess I should go look it up and bookmark it.

I sincerely wish you'd read it and give me your thoughts.

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Oh, and I have no doubt that catastrophic flooding occurred along the alluvial plains on which were built the world's first civilizations, which spawned the Noah story, the Gilgamesh story, the Deukalion story, and every other story about a flood, a righteous man, a boat full of animals and repopulation of the earth.

Whether they were the same flood, I am not convinced.

You obviously are. That's fine.

But it matters far less to me than it does to you.

Vigorous handshakes, beautiful women, travel and the meaning of life, on the other hand... these matter.

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SkyzykS wrote:
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Where does he take a shit afterward?



Mckees Rocks.

Ask Chushin. He will confirm this.


ROFLMAO!

Skyz speaks the truth!!!

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Varqanir wrote:

Vigorous handshakes, beautiful women, travel and the meaning of life, on the other hand... these matter.


Fall of 2013; somewhere in the Chugoku Region.

You 2 would be quite entertaining in person, I'm sure.

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Chushin wrote:
Varqanir wrote:

Vigorous handshakes, beautiful women, travel and the meaning of life, on the other hand... these matter.


Fall of 2013; somewhere in the Chugoku Region.

You 2 would be quite entertaining in person, I'm sure.


The redhead reaffirmed just yesterday how important it is the Great Nipponese Adventure must occur this fall.

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Chushin wrote:

You 2 would be quite entertaining in person, I'm sure.


Well, I plan on giving table dances wearing nothing but a hat, bandolier and boots while playing my harmonica.

I dunno what Varq's gonna do.

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Pretty much what I do here. Watch your antics, shake my head in mild disbelief, and smile.

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Chushin, you do realize that the stereotype in Chugoku region of "hen na gaijin" is going to be reinforced by several orders of magnitude with the introduction of Push into society. As long as you are aware.

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pushharder wrote:
Chushin wrote:

You 2 would be quite entertaining in person, I'm sure.


Well, I plan on giving table dances wearing nothing but a hat, bandolier and boots while playing my harmonica.



iPhone at the ready.

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Varqanir wrote:
Chushin, you do realize that the stereotype in Chugoku region of "hen na gaijin" is going to be reinforced by several orders of magnitude with the introduction of Push into society. As long as you are aware.


You really think so?

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pushharder
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Tell me about this stereotype.

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