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Derek542
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silverblood wrote:
Derek542 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
ziah wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ziah wrote:
Also, to the guy who said that endurance doesn't really matter - really? Endurance is the ONLY area in which our species has the leg up on all other animals.


I seriously doubt this is true. How would you even prove it?


Huh, funny I thought that was the case, but I guess not. There are a few animals out there than can out run humans for endurance:
http://www.popularmechanics.co...

I'll admit it, my argument of humans being "top-dog" when it comes to endurance is invalid.


just as an example here is someone that isn't even the best in his sport.
Dean Karnazes, an ultra marathoner, ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days and did the NYC marathon as his final in 3 hrs. started to run back to San Francisco but stopped in Missouri to spend more time with his family.
ran from Disneyland to New York in 75 days.
Ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep.
148 miles in 24 hours on a treadmill.
swam across San Francisco Bay
completed The Relay, 200 mile race ran by teams of ten that each person runs 10 miles then is driven to their next stage, solo at least 11 times.
won(several top 5 finishes) the Badwater Ultra in under 28 hrs(not the record time). it's 135 miles starting in Badwater Basin Death Vally @280' below sea level and climbs to @8400' on Mt Whitney in July.
Western States 100 where runners climb a total of 18,090 feet and descend a total of 22,970 feet through the Sierra Nevadas and have to finish in under 30 hrs. 11 time Silver Buckleholder(finish under 24 hrs)
won the 4 Deserts Grand Slam, 4 155 mi races, in 1 yr, through the Atacama Crossing(avg 8000' elev) in March, Gobi in June, Sahara in October, and Antarctica in November. each race take place over seven days and six stages. A campsite is raised each night for competitors where they are provided a tent to sleep, hot water, campfire, and medical assistance. they must carry all their own supplies with them during the race.

name a single animal that can do all these races.


Please name a single animal that dedicates time to training.

every day they survive is a training day in one form or another.
the article was a comparison of animal vs human in a marathon situation. it said each animal could exced a human in a marathon.
camel can go a long way but not in the mountains or Antarctica. dog sled team wouldn't do well in Death Valley.
a human has the capacity to go way beyond a marathon and in different environments. the ability to adapt and specialize at the same time.

what is the most impressive, well rounded athlete in the animal kingdom?

Dude we ended this thread.

I know, but we know it will be resurrected in one form or another at a later date. ///////

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usmccds423
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silverblood wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
ziah wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ziah wrote:
Also, to the guy who said that endurance doesn't really matter - really? Endurance is the ONLY area in which our species has the leg up on all other animals.


I seriously doubt this is true. How would you even prove it?


Huh, funny I thought that was the case, but I guess not. There are a few animals out there than can out run humans for endurance:
http://www.popularmechanics.co...

I'll admit it, my argument of humans being "top-dog" when it comes to endurance is invalid.


just as an example here is someone that isn't even the best in his sport.
Dean Karnazes, an ultra marathoner, ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days and did the NYC marathon as his final in 3 hrs. started to run back to San Francisco but stopped in Missouri to spend more time with his family.
ran from Disneyland to New York in 75 days.
Ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep.
148 miles in 24 hours on a treadmill.
swam across San Francisco Bay
completed The Relay, 200 mile race ran by teams of ten that each person runs 10 miles then is driven to their next stage, solo at least 11 times.
won(several top 5 finishes) the Badwater Ultra in under 28 hrs(not the record time). it's 135 miles starting in Badwater Basin Death Vally @280' below sea level and climbs to @8400' on Mt Whitney in July.
Western States 100 where runners climb a total of 18,090 feet and descend a total of 22,970 feet through the Sierra Nevadas and have to finish in under 30 hrs. 11 time Silver Buckleholder(finish under 24 hrs)
won the 4 Deserts Grand Slam, 4 155 mi races, in 1 yr, through the Atacama Crossing(avg 8000' elev) in March, Gobi in June, Sahara in October, and Antarctica in November. each race take place over seven days and six stages. A campsite is raised each night for competitors where they are provided a tent to sleep, hot water, campfire, and medical assistance. they must carry all their own supplies with them during the race.

name a single animal that can do all these races.


Please name a single animal that dedicates time to training.

every day they survive is a training day in one form or another.
the article was a comparison of animal vs human in a marathon situation. it said each animal could exced a human in a marathon.
camel can go a long way but not in the mountains or Antarctica. dog sled team wouldn't do well in Death Valley.
a human has the capacity to go way beyond a marathon and in different environments. the ability to adapt and specialize at the same time.

what is the most impressive, well rounded athlete in the animal kingdom?


I don't think survival and training are not the same. Ya, certain animals thrive under certain conditions and humans are no different. It just so happens Under Armour sells 17 layers of cold gear and 19 kinds of sweat wicking gear... Plus we have water bottles, packaged food, etc... so we can extend our "training". Not because it's necessary to survival, but because we want to. If animals "wanted to" I think a lot of them could certain out run your ultra marathoners.

P.S. threads can only be ended by Derek's "other" pictures....

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Derek542 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
Derek542 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
ziah wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ziah wrote:
Also, to the guy who said that endurance doesn't really matter - really? Endurance is the ONLY area in which our species has the leg up on all other animals.


I seriously doubt this is true. How would you even prove it?


Huh, funny I thought that was the case, but I guess not. There are a few animals out there than can out run humans for endurance:
http://www.popularmechanics.co...

I'll admit it, my argument of humans being "top-dog" when it comes to endurance is invalid.


just as an example here is someone that isn't even the best in his sport.
Dean Karnazes, an ultra marathoner, ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days and did the NYC marathon as his final in 3 hrs. started to run back to San Francisco but stopped in Missouri to spend more time with his family.
ran from Disneyland to New York in 75 days.
Ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep.
148 miles in 24 hours on a treadmill.
swam across San Francisco Bay
completed The Relay, 200 mile race ran by teams of ten that each person runs 10 miles then is driven to their next stage, solo at least 11 times.
won(several top 5 finishes) the Badwater Ultra in under 28 hrs(not the record time). it's 135 miles starting in Badwater Basin Death Vally @280' below sea level and climbs to @8400' on Mt Whitney in July.
Western States 100 where runners climb a total of 18,090 feet and descend a total of 22,970 feet through the Sierra Nevadas and have to finish in under 30 hrs. 11 time Silver Buckleholder(finish under 24 hrs)
won the 4 Deserts Grand Slam, 4 155 mi races, in 1 yr, through the Atacama Crossing(avg 8000' elev) in March, Gobi in June, Sahara in October, and Antarctica in November. each race take place over seven days and six stages. A campsite is raised each night for competitors where they are provided a tent to sleep, hot water, campfire, and medical assistance. they must carry all their own supplies with them during the race.

name a single animal that can do all these races.


Please name a single animal that dedicates time to training.

every day they survive is a training day in one form or another.
the article was a comparison of animal vs human in a marathon situation. it said each animal could exced a human in a marathon.
camel can go a long way but not in the mountains or Antarctica. dog sled team wouldn't do well in Death Valley.
a human has the capacity to go way beyond a marathon and in different environments. the ability to adapt and specialize at the same time.

what is the most impressive, well rounded athlete in the animal kingdom?

Dude we ended this thread.

I know, but we know it will be resurrected in one form or another at a later date. ///////

NO ITS OVER


NOTHING IS OVER!!

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usmccds423 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
silverblood wrote:
ziah wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ziah wrote:
Also, to the guy who said that endurance doesn't really matter - really? Endurance is the ONLY area in which our species has the leg up on all other animals.


I seriously doubt this is true. How would you even prove it?


Huh, funny I thought that was the case, but I guess not. There are a few animals out there than can out run humans for endurance:
http://www.popularmechanics.co...

I'll admit it, my argument of humans being "top-dog" when it comes to endurance is invalid.


just as an example here is someone that isn't even the best in his sport.
Dean Karnazes, an ultra marathoner, ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days and did the NYC marathon as his final in 3 hrs. started to run back to San Francisco but stopped in Missouri to spend more time with his family.
ran from Disneyland to New York in 75 days.
Ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep.
148 miles in 24 hours on a treadmill.
swam across San Francisco Bay
completed The Relay, 200 mile race ran by teams of ten that each person runs 10 miles then is driven to their next stage, solo at least 11 times.
won(several top 5 finishes) the Badwater Ultra in under 28 hrs(not the record time). it's 135 miles starting in Badwater Basin Death Vally @280' below sea level and climbs to @8400' on Mt Whitney in July.
Western States 100 where runners climb a total of 18,090 feet and descend a total of 22,970 feet through the Sierra Nevadas and have to finish in under 30 hrs. 11 time Silver Buckleholder(finish under 24 hrs)
won the 4 Deserts Grand Slam, 4 155 mi races, in 1 yr, through the Atacama Crossing(avg 8000' elev) in March, Gobi in June, Sahara in October, and Antarctica in November. each race take place over seven days and six stages. A campsite is raised each night for competitors where they are provided a tent to sleep, hot water, campfire, and medical assistance. they must carry all their own supplies with them during the race.

name a single animal that can do all these races.


Please name a single animal that dedicates time to training.

every day they survive is a training day in one form or another.
the article was a comparison of animal vs human in a marathon situation. it said each animal could exced a human in a marathon.
camel can go a long way but not in the mountains or Antarctica. dog sled team wouldn't do well in Death Valley.
a human has the capacity to go way beyond a marathon and in different environments. the ability to adapt and specialize at the same time.

what is the most impressive, well rounded athlete in the animal kingdom?


I don't think survival and training are not the same. Ya, certain animals thrive under certain conditions and humans are no different. It just so happens Under Armour sells 17 layers of cold gear and 19 kinds of sweat wicking gear... Plus we have water bottles, packaged food, etc... so we can extend our "training". Not because it's necessary to survival, but because we want to. If animals "wanted to" I think a lot of them could certain out run your ultra marathoners.

P.S. threads can only be ended by Derek's "other" pictures....

That is not the round I was thinking about sir.

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usmccds423
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@ bdocksaints75, yes!

@ Derek, YES!

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ziah wrote:

Out of all the athletic attributes that have been discussed in this forum, I think cardiovascular endurance is the easiest and fastest to train and improve. There are far more humans who can run extraordinarily long distances, compete in ironman triathlons, etc than there are humans who can do the things that elite football players can do athletically. The combination of power, speed, and agility they display, in my opinion, is far more impressive and rare than the endurance that, say, pro soccer players have.


Your logic *almost* made sense, but then I realized you just have an overinflated sense of fast twitch is hands down, no questions, more impressive than slow twitch. Your comment also seems to imply that you can take any NFL athlete, and condition them into being a COMPETITIVE marathon runner.

On top of cardiovascular endurance you mention, there's also MUSCULAR endurance. That's where the fasttwitch/slowtwitch stuff comes into play.

The key here is COMPETITIVE. I highly doubt that you can take someone like even Deion Sanders who was ridiculously naturally talented at what he did and make him a marathon runner that would be able to COMPETE against the elite.

People are NATURALLY gifted for certain sports - some have a higher percent of slow twitch, others have a higher percent of fast twitch. Most people that are average have average twitch [~50/50]. Sure, you can train your body to adapt more to another style, but there is a limit.

No way is Usain Bolt ever going to win a marathon against today's greatest marathoners. No way you are going to turn a great marathoner into a football player - even if they put on the mass through PEDs.

Personally, I'm naturally stronger in terms of power/fast twitch over slow twitch - not by much, but I know that I can pick up sprinting WAY faster than it takes for me to pick up my cardiovascular/muscular endurance levels.

My main point - you seem to discount endurance because "anyone can do it" - but not anyone can do it well and at the top level.

In conclusion, I'd have to give it to the Rugby players. They pretty much seem to be football players + endurance.


Of course not just anyone can run marathons at an elite level. That's not what I was saying. I simply said it was my OPINION that what football players do is more impressive than what endurance athletes do. That's all.

Rugby players are impressive of course, I'm just not nearly as familiar with that sport as I am with American football, so I can't comment too much on it.

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silverblood wrote:
ziah wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ziah wrote:
Also, to the guy who said that endurance doesn't really matter - really? Endurance is the ONLY area in which our species has the leg up on all other animals.


I seriously doubt this is true. How would you even prove it?


Huh, funny I thought that was the case, but I guess not. There are a few animals out there than can out run humans for endurance:
http://www.popularmechanics.co...

I'll admit it, my argument of humans being "top-dog" when it comes to endurance is invalid.


just as an example here is someone that isn't even the best in his sport.
Dean Karnazes, an ultra marathoner, ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days and did the NYC marathon as his final in 3 hrs. started to run back to San Francisco but stopped in Missouri to spend more time with his family.
ran from Disneyland to New York in 75 days.
Ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep.
148 miles in 24 hours on a treadmill.
swam across San Francisco Bay
completed The Relay, 200 mile race ran by teams of ten that each person runs 10 miles then is driven to their next stage, solo at least 11 times.
won(several top 5 finishes) the Badwater Ultra in under 28 hrs(not the record time). it's 135 miles starting in Badwater Basin Death Vally @280' below sea level and climbs to @8400' on Mt Whitney in July.
Western States 100 where runners climb a total of 18,090 feet and descend a total of 22,970 feet through the Sierra Nevadas and have to finish in under 30 hrs. 11 time Silver Buckleholder(finish under 24 hrs)
won the 4 Deserts Grand Slam, 4 155 mi races, in 1 yr, through the Atacama Crossing(avg 8000' elev) in March, Gobi in June, Sahara in October, and Antarctica in November. each race take place over seven days and six stages. A campsite is raised each night for competitors where they are provided a tent to sleep, hot water, campfire, and medical assistance. they must carry all their own supplies with them during the race.

name a single animal that can do all these races.


Ultras... I think something should be mentioned about Ultras.

I crewed for a racer at Badwater as his medic. While all this talk looks impressive, it must be stated that these racers/runners aren't doing ultra's without a team of folks behind them. Ultras are more like Nascar than a Forrest Gump style individual pursuit. There are communications, food, gear, a scale, medical, and (at least when I crewed) pacers to run with them to call out splits, etc that have to be assembled, pre-staged, coordinated, and 100% available throughout the duration. While a competitor is in a pretty elite and rare population to have "buckled" at Badwater and they're legit badasses, they're more successful the better their crew is.

So, an African Kudu (for example) isn't going to do all these races, of course. But it also doesn't have a friend every couple miles setting up a lawn chair and an umbrella and ice cold fluids and a snack waiting for him to roll in.

My 2 cents, from experience.

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Ultra marathons? Please, whales swim hundreds of miles a day every day, get on their level!

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Umm what about Military Special Forces like Rangers/SEALS/Green Berets/etc?

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ZJStrope wrote:
Umm what about Military Special Forces like Rangers/SEALS/Green Berets/etc?



Nah, they were mentioned earlier. Most impressive well-rounded badasses, Yes. Athlete, probably not.

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I still like the Top Man on a Tall Ship offered by dersteppensomething. I really want to believe these are the greatest athletes on the planet.

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probably better than soccer players.
says top 5 weightlifting exercises for Parkour are overhead press, weighted dips, weighted pull-ups, back squat, and deadlift.

Cool. Well, you learn something every day, especially if you're ignorant.
It has to be said that this thread is turning into a sort of dungeons and dragons of athleticism now- I mean, does a crossfitter who does parkour beat a level 5 half-elf palladin?
So I think I'll make matters worse. If you got into crosstraining, what sort of combination do you think would produce the best athlete? I'd go for sprinting and boxing. Any takers?
I still like the Top Man on a Tall Ship offered by dersteppensomething. I really want to believe these are the greatest athletes on the planet.

Me too. It would make sense. I mean, these guys can drag an anchor up, climb rigging like it was a fucking ladder and work all day. Why wouldn't they be well rounded athletes?

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red04 wrote:
Ultra marathons? Please, whales swim hundreds of miles a day every day, get on their level!


But what's their bodyfat %

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red04 wrote:
Ultra marathons? Please, whales swim hundreds of miles a day every day, get on their level!

I wanna see them run, eh swim(?), through Death Valley!

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Ostriches. Ostriches are fucking badass. Forget all that head in the sand stuff, those guys are the shit. They can run like buggery.

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Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
Ostriches. Ostriches are fucking badass. Forget all that head in the sand stuff, those guys are the shit. They can run like buggery.


Yeah but it's to easy to kill , one must simply grab them by the neck and gouge out the eyes

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Looks very well rounded to me

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usmccds423 wrote:
ZJStrope wrote:
Umm what about Military Special Forces like Rangers/SEALS/Green Berets/etc?



Nah, they were mentioned earlier. Most impressive well-rounded badasses, Yes. Athlete, probably not.


They absolutely are athletes. Those guys go through some unbelievable training and conditioning.

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legendaryblaze wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ZJStrope wrote:
Umm what about Military Special Forces like Rangers/SEALS/Green Berets/etc?



Nah, they were mentioned earlier. Most impressive well-rounded badasses, Yes. Athlete, probably not.


They absolutely are athletes. Those guys go through some unbelievable training and conditioning.

I brought them up earlier but they were ignored. you know you gotta be chasing a ball, puck, finish line, or some trophy to be an athlete!

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silverblood wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
ZJStrope wrote:
Umm what about Military Special Forces like Rangers/SEALS/Green Berets/etc?



Nah, they were mentioned earlier. Most impressive well-rounded badasses, Yes. Athlete, probably not.


They absolutely are athletes. Those guys go through some unbelievable training and conditioning.

I brought them up earlier but they were ignored. you know you gotta be chasing a ball, puck, finish line, or some trophy to be an athlete!


I think the mental strength and toughness in these guys is something that is completely overlooked.

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I'm probably gonna get flamed for this because someone's granny was in the Special Forces and his whole house is decorated with memorabilia, but I don't think they're all that well-rounded and their mental strength is far more impressive than their actual physical capacities.

I met one of my best friends and training partners about a year out of the Special Forces. He was a French Paratrooper who passed the SAS qualification and was a recon' commando for his para unit. He served in Afghanistan and in Africa, I forget where. I might of got some of those terms wrong because we talk about it in French, but you get my meaning I think. He's 8 or 9 years younger than me, and is near his physical prime.

Now, for certain things, he's a total beast. He never gets tired, once he sets his pace for running he could pretty much run all day. His pulling strength and endurance is phenomenal. When he does pullups (no kipping but a little leg movement) he seems to fly up and over the bar. Barbell rows the same. His back strength is just crazy, I guess it's from doing shitloads of pullups everyday for 5 years.

But then in things like squat, deadlift and pushing movements he's mediocre at best. I'm no athlete, I'm naturally one of the least athletic people you'll meet, but I've worked hard to get to a level slightly above the realm of embarrassing. And I outlift him.

DROC

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Oh and, far more important, Eva Andressa gets my vote too.

http://dl.ziza.es/...ressa%20(8).jpg

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