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Meh, I don't believe this for one second.

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bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


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If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


I haven't seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I've ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L'amour, even though he's not the best writer...but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.

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Nards wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


+1
If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


I haven't seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I've ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L'amour, even though he's not the best writer...but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.


Yes, the book is outstanding.

99% of the time a book is better than its subsequent movie and when one reads the book first the movie typically is "spoiled." However, watching Lonesome Dove first allows one to picture Duvall and Jones when one reads the book and that is a "good thing."

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Nards wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


+1
If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


I haven't seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I've ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L'amour, even though he's not the best writer...but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.


Books it is. You got me at Pulitzer.

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pushharder wrote:
Nards wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


+1
If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


I haven't seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I've ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L'amour, even though he's not the best writer...but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.


Yes, the book is outstanding.

99% of the time a book is better than its subsequent movie and when one reads the book first the movie typically is "spoiled." However, watching Lonesome Dove first allows one to picture Duvall and Jones when one reads the book and that is a "good thing."


Dammit Push, you just had to speak up lol. I had my mind made up!

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pushharder wrote:

Yes, the book is outstanding.

99% of the time a book is better than its subsequent movie and when one reads the book first the movie typically is "spoiled." However, watching Lonesome Dove first allows one to picture Duvall and Jones when one reads the book and that is a "good thing."


Gus, Newt, Lorena, Deets, and Lippy were portrayed almost to a tee the way I had them pictured in my head.

But Tommy Lee Jones as Captain Call almost killed it for me. The guy rides a horse gayer than anyone I've ever seen in a western. He fondles is quirt like it's his johnson. He rides like he's got corn cobs in his ass, and he has his stampede string cinched up way too tight way too often.

Maybe it's just a personal thing. I met TLJ while working on a ranch that neighbored his. Calling him a self-absorbed prick would be a gross understatement.

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drunkpig wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Yes, the book is outstanding.

99% of the time a book is better than its subsequent movie and when one reads the book first the movie typically is "spoiled." However, watching Lonesome Dove first allows one to picture Duvall and Jones when one reads the book and that is a "good thing."


Gus, Newt, Lorena, Deets, and Lippy were portrayed almost to a tee the way I had them pictured in my head.



Agreed.



But Tommy Lee Jones as Captain Call almost killed it for me. The guy rides a horse gayer than anyone I've ever seen in a western.



He does ride rather stiff for someone who is supposedly experienced on the back of a horse.



He fondles is quirt like it's his johnson. He rides like he's got corn cobs in his ass, and he has his stampede string cinched up way too tight way too often.

Maybe it's just a personal thing. I met TLJ while working on a ranch that neighbored his. Calling him a self-absorbed prick would be a gross understatement.



I knew a guy who played polo with him.

I still very much enjoy his portrayal of Cap'n Call.

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Nards wrote:
I have cable TV and I'm hoping one of the HBOs will have them sometime.

Cinemax had the original True Grit yesterday. That's great.


Have you seen the cable series Hell on wheels? Good stuff, I think it is on amc.

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DBCooper wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
magick wrote:
Want to repeat DBCooper's recommendation of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Terrific western. Surprised that it wasn't mentioned by anyone else.


"who are those guy's", "rule's...in a knife fight???. So many good scenes in that movie.

Another duster I rewatched recently was The Missouri Breaks with Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando. Not because it was a great movie(it was all right) but because of the final kill scene in the movie, one of my favs.


You just keep thinking Butch. That's what you're good at.


I recently saw a pretty good one called Blackthorn about Butch Cassidy after they escaped to Bolivia.

http://www.hollywood.com/...kthorn?page=all

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I don't know if this counts as it is not really a western per say but one of my favorites is Jeremiah Johnson.

Also pretty good is A Man Called Horse.

I can't for the life of me remember the name but there was a movie about confederate soldiers that are followed west after the war by union soldiers. One of my favorites as a kid.

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Testy1 wrote:
I don't know if this counts as it is not really a western per say but one of my favorites is Jeremiah Johnson.


Not exactly Jeremiah Johnson, but it was the first thing that popped in my head when you mentioned the movie -

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Testy1 wrote:
I don't know if this counts as it is not really a western per say but one of my favorites is Jeremiah Johnson.

Also pretty good is A Man Called Horse.

I can't for the life of me remember the name but there was a movie about confederate soldiers that are followed west after the war by union soldiers. One of my favorites as a kid.


Jeremiah Johnson on my top ten list. I've probably watched that flick fifty times. I wanted to be him as a kid. I begged my father to get me a bear skin coat, I had to settle for knee high moccasins.

Testy1 it might be The Undefeated with Rock Hudson and the Duke.

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bond james bond wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
I don't know if this counts as it is not really a western per say but one of my favorites is Jeremiah Johnson.

Also pretty good is A Man Called Horse.

I can't for the life of me remember the name but there was a movie about confederate soldiers that are followed west after the war by union soldiers. One of my favorites as a kid.


Jeremiah Johnson on my top ten list. I've probably watched that flick fifty times. I wanted to be him as a kid. I begged my father to get me a bear skin coat, I had to settle for knee high moccasins.

Testy1 it might be The Undefeated with Rock Hudson and the Duke.


No, it didn't have the Duke.

Anybody mentioned Silverado or Maverick?

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bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


+1
If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


It was on netflix when I checked the other week...

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bond james bond
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Gambit_Lost wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film.... But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.

The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin', is a serious goosebump moment.


+1
If you haven't seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.


All right dammit, that's it, I'm in. Book or TV series first?


It was on netflix when I checked the other week...


Fuck. I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is book first.























Came up tails. Netflix it is.

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They made other mini-series about some of the other books too. The book Commanche Moon which is set before Lonesome Dove has Call played by Karl Urban and Gus by Steve Zahn.

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One of my other favourite sites, "The Art of Manliness", just posted the author's pick of the "17 Best Westerns", with capsule summaries. Definitely worth a look. While you're there, take a look around. Lots of good reading on that blog, most non-movie related, but still worthwhile.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/...western-movies/

The list includes:

High Noon
Stagecoach
The Searchers
Lonesome Dove
Unforgiven
Shane
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Magnificent Seven
Red River
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
True Grit (2010 remake)
The Wild Bunch
Rio Bravo
Tombstone
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Shootist

I haven't seen "The Assassination of Jesse James..." yet, but I have seen all the other films on this list, some multiple times. They are all worthy of being included on a Best Of Westerns list. The OP wouldn't go far wrong in lining up any, or all of these, for a viewing. Interestingly, of these 17, only one "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" could be properly labelled as a spaghetti western. The rest are just damn fine films that tell a story, entertain and, usually, take a strong moral stance in terms of judging "right and wrong", and coming down forcefully on the side of good.

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cakewalk wrote:
One of my other favourite sites, "The Art of Manliness", just posted the author's pick of the "17 Best Westerns", with capsule summaries. Definitely worth a look. While you're there, take a look around. Lots of good reading on that blog, most non-movie related, but still worthwhile.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/...western-movies/

The list includes:

High Noon
Stagecoach
The Searchers
Lonesome Dove
Unforgiven
Shane
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Magnificent Seven
Red River
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
True Grit (2010 remake)
The Wild Bunch
Rio Bravo
Tombstone
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Shootist

I haven't seen "The Assassination of Jesse James..." yet, but I have seen all the other films on this list, some multiple times. They are all worthy of being included on a Best Of Westerns list. The OP wouldn't go far wrong in lining up any, or all of these, for a viewing. Interestingly, of these 17, only one "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" could be properly labelled as a spaghetti western. The rest are just damn fine films that tell a story, entertain and, usually, take a strong moral stance in terms of judging "right and wrong", and coming down forcefully on the side of good.


I actually look over the Art Of Manliness every now and again, but normally I find the articles (especially the ones in a series) to be too long and time-consuming for me to really look over properly. Took me four days to schedule enough time to read the Jack London and Thumos articles, though those articles are written wonderfully.

So far I've made my way through about a third of what's featured on that list, though there are some I haven't seen mentioned, or at least have forgotten the mention of, I thank you for posting it.

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have you watched any of the older tv series?
Rawhide
Wagon Train
Gunsmoke
The Rifleman
Wanted: Dead or Alive
Bonanza
The Lone Ranger
Bat Masterson
The Virginian
The Wild Wild West
Maverick
Kung Fu
Cisco Kid
F Troop
some of my favorites but not as well known
Zane Grey Theater(was responsible for the series the Rifleman and Wanted: Dead or Alive}
Have Gun-Will Travel
The Rebel
Alias Smith and Jones
Laredo-loved this show when I was growing up-entire episodes on youtube

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That reminds me that I have listened to about 30 episodes of the radio version of Gunsmoke! on my iPod but have never seen an episode of the show. So to me William Conrad is Matt Dillon.

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cakewalk wrote:
The list includes:

High Noon
Stagecoach
The Searchers
Lonesome Dove
Unforgiven
Shane
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Magnificent Seven
Red River
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
True Grit (2010 remake)
The Wild Bunch
Rio Bravo
Tombstone
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Shootist




Those are some great ones but I didn't see Paul Newman's Hombre on any list. It is a must see. Richard Boone is in it, as well as Diane Cilento who was Sean Connery's first wife.

There's no better exchange of words in any western than the end of movie showdown in Big Jake... Now you understand. Anything goes wrong, anything at all your fault, my fault, nobodys fault it dont matter Im gonna blow your head off. Its as simple as that... between Richard Boone and John Wayne.

Once Upon A Time In the West with Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda is a Top Ten.

The Man That Shot Liberty Valance with Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne and Lee Marvin is a Top Ten.

One-Eyed Jacks with Marlon Brando and Karl Malden is another must see.

Bandelero with Jimmy Stewart, Dean Martin, Rachel Welch and George Kennedy.

True Grit, the original and the Jeff Bridges remake are both excellent.

Open Range with Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner great western movie. Hope Duvall lives to be 100.

They Call Me Trinity with Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer can't be topped for imagination and most likable duo.

Cat Ballou with Jane Fonda and Lee Marvin is a tough one to leave out. Westerns are another of life's great pleasures...




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One-Eyed Jacks starring Marlon Brando is often overlooked. It is also the only film he ever directed. It's sort of depressing watching Westerns because they remind me of just how effeminate Hollywood has become.

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conservativedog wrote:

There's no better exchange of words in any western than the end of movie showdown in Big Jake... Now you understand. Anything goes wrong, anything at all your fault, my fault, nobodys fault it dont matter Im gonna blow your head off. Its as simple as that... between Richard Boone and John Wayne.



Yes.



Hope Duvall lives to be 100.



Yes.

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