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strungoutboy21
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I watch a lot of sports, but I've never seen so many people complain about officiating as much as they do with basketball. Is it because it tends to be more subjective? I watch a lot more baseball and there are a few bad calls every now and then, but basketball fans make it sound like every game is fixed.

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strungoutboy21 wrote:
I watch a lot of sports, but I've never seen so many people complain about officiating as much as they do with basketball. Is it because it tends to be more subjective? I watch a lot more baseball and there are a few bad calls every now and then, but basketball fans make it sound like every game is fixed.



the nba has a reputation of being a bit more concerned with entertainment than the integrity of the competition. From the Patrick Ewing draft being fixed, to the MJ rules, to the kings/lakers fix, the suns/spurs bench clearing situation, cavs getting Kyrie after lebald left, CP3 trade to the lakers being veto'd, #1 pick going to new orleans while the franchise was owned by the league among other reaons.

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Aggv wrote:
strungoutboy21 wrote:
I watch a lot of sports, but I've never seen so many people complain about officiating as much as they do with basketball. Is it because it tends to be more subjective? I watch a lot more baseball and there are a few bad calls every now and then, but basketball fans make it sound like every game is fixed.



the nba has a reputation of being a bit more concerned with entertainment than the integrity of the competition. From the Patrick Ewing draft being fixed, to the MJ rules, to the kings/lakers fix, the suns/spurs bench clearing situation, cavs getting Kyrie after lebald left, CP3 trade to the lakers being veto'd, #1 pick going to new orleans while the franchise was owned by the league among other reaons.


All great examples.

Refs are encouraged to officiate in the interest of entertainment and money rather than fair-play.

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That was a really good game until in the first half lol
Lets hope Indy can win game 6 and force the ever exciting game 7
I don't want to have to wait more than a week of no basketball before te finals starts.

I didn't watch the game so I cannot comment on the officiating but I did see the BirdMan/PsychoT incident.
How in the world was BirdMan not ejected for that?
That dude from the bulls was ejected for only one shove.
I guess that's the difference between pushing the star of the league and pushing a role player.
One is ok and one isn't.

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Waittz
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Smashingweights wrote:
That was a really good game until in the first half lol
Lets hope Indy can win game 6 and force the ever exciting game 7
I don't want to have to wait more than a week of no basketball before te finals starts.

I didn't watch the game so I cannot comment on the officiating but I did see the BirdMan/PsychoT incident.
How in the world was BirdMan not ejected for that?
That dude from the bulls was ejected for only one shove.
I guess that's the difference between pushing the star of the league and pushing a role player.
One is ok and one isn't.


Its cause Hansbrough is a goofy white bench player with a rep for scrappy play and Birdman is borderline cartoon character.

Lebron smelled blood in the water in the 3rd. Was fantastic to watch. Crazy to think the Heat are one game away from the Finals with D Wade failing to go above 20 points in 11 straight games. Really shows just how much better the bench is with Ray and Bird not to mention the continued growth of Cole.

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Waittz wrote:
Smashingweights wrote:
That was a really good game until in the first half lol
Lets hope Indy can win game 6 and force the ever exciting game 7
I don't want to have to wait more than a week of no basketball before te finals starts.

I didn't watch the game so I cannot comment on the officiating but I did see the BirdMan/PsychoT incident.
How in the world was BirdMan not ejected for that?
That dude from the bulls was ejected for only one shove.
I guess that's the difference between pushing the star of the league and pushing a role player.
One is ok and one isn't.


Its cause Hansbrough is a goofy white bench player with a rep for scrappy play and Birdman is borderline cartoon character.

Lebron smelled blood in the water in the 3rd. Was fantastic to watch. Crazy to think the Heat are one game away from the Finals with D Wade failing to go above 20 points in 11 straight games. Really shows just how much better the bench is with Ray and Bird not to mention the continued growth of Cole.

BirdMan wasn't suspended because Hansbrough is white?
Dat racist NBA! :)

TBH, Wade kind of sucks now and pisses me off when I watch him.
His game and his attitude (to me at least) have gone down the toilet since LeBron showed up.
I don't think he likes being the being the number 2.
Actually he'a pretty much in a 4-6 way tie for number 2.
It's basically LeBron and everyone else
LBJ really did kill it in the third quarter.
He's been hitting his 3's a lot better lately.

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Smashingweights wrote:
Waittz wrote:
Smashingweights wrote:
That was a really good game until in the first half lol
Lets hope Indy can win game 6 and force the ever exciting game 7
I don't want to have to wait more than a week of no basketball before te finals starts.

I didn't watch the game so I cannot comment on the officiating but I did see the BirdMan/PsychoT incident.
How in the world was BirdMan not ejected for that?
That dude from the bulls was ejected for only one shove.
I guess that's the difference between pushing the star of the league and pushing a role player.
One is ok and one isn't.


Its cause Hansbrough is a goofy white bench player with a rep for scrappy play and Birdman is borderline cartoon character.

Lebron smelled blood in the water in the 3rd. Was fantastic to watch. Crazy to think the Heat are one game away from the Finals with D Wade failing to go above 20 points in 11 straight games. Really shows just how much better the bench is with Ray and Bird not to mention the continued growth of Cole.

BirdMan wasn't suspended because Hansbrough is white?
Dat racist NBA! :)

TBH, Wade kind of sucks now and pisses me off when I watch him.
His game and his attitude (to me at least) have gone down the toilet since LeBron showed up.
I don't think he likes being the being the number 2.
Actually he'a pretty much in a 4-6 way tie for number 2.
It's basically LeBron and everyone else
LBJ really did kill it in the third quarter.
He's been hitting his 3's a lot better lately.


I think the knee is a bigger issue than is being led to beleive. You can see it in his body language and effort. Guy is just going through the motions. After last year, and his play this year during the win streak I wont question Wades attitude and game, but there has been a clear drop off in the playoffs.

Grew up in south florida, been a heat fan my entire life, own 3 D wade jerseys, was there in person during the first dallas finals witnessing his brilliance and his prime, I love me some D Wade. That being said Wade has a flare for the dramatic. Even when he was younger, always flying to the floor after ever lay up and dunk. Needing a wheele chair after dislocating his shoulder. Taking the second half of the losing season(still cant believe all we got for that was Michael Beaseleys drug habbit instead of Rose) off to do sound wave treatment on his knee.......etc etc etc. He is soft and super dramatic. Plays possum all the time.

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Waittz
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Smashingweights wrote:
BirdMan wasn't suspended because Hansbrough is white?
Dat racist NBA! :)



Yeah man. Black on white or black on black violence is a soft spot with the NBA because of it's image problem a la Ron Artest. Stern doenst give a shit about rainbow on white violence.

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Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.

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I want to preface this properly: I don't think Nazr should've been Flagrant2/suspended in the Bulls series, and I don't think that Birdman should've been suspended even if the plays were identical(the refs fucked up with Nazr, doesn't mean they need to again fuck up, and I acknowledge that Miami is thus the beneficiary in both instances, which obviously makes it look like the fix is in).

That said, the incidents weren't 'exactly the same' like every media personality keeps saying. If Bird was going to get an F2 it would've been for the initial blindside body check, because after that, they went chest to chest with the mutual bump before bird gave T the shove. It's completely different than Nazr getting up off the ground and charging into a not-looking LBJ with his arms extended. That secondary situation(chest-to-chest 2 hand shove) happens far more often in the league, and usually ends up in tech/double techs like it did last night, or sometimes just a no call with a ref telling both the players/teams that the chippiness is getting out of hand and another incident will involve some ejections.

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WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.

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wade is a washed up dirty player.

birdman should have been tossed, and only further proves how fixed the league is.

I can see this series going 7, unless lbj goes crazy again which is possible, but the pacers will be tough at home

winner of this, the Spurs since they're resting up, taking notes on how to beat either team, and i have no doubt pop will be able to force someone other than lbj to beat them. Seeing as how wade is busted, bosh cant carry a team, and besides norris cole (who is really good) there are a bunch of bums on the heat.

Spurs over the Heat in 6

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Waittz wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.

A levelheaded realistic basketball fan?
Who woulda thought!

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A little early for offseason FA talk but I am kinda hoping D12 ends up in HOU...

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WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


And a Sacramento Kings fan can say the same about them losing to the Lakers in 02. So I guess everything is fixed.

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strungoutboy21 wrote:
I watch a lot of sports, but I've never seen so many people complain about officiating as much as they do with basketball. Is it because it tends to be more subjective? I watch a lot more baseball and there are a few bad calls every now and then, but basketball fans make it sound like every game is fixed.


Aggv covered the 'conspiracy angle' well earlier.

But also, it's just a difficult game to officiate. On the low block, there's basically holding and fouling happening on every other play so the ticky-tack calls on the perimeter tend to stand out. And of course there's judgment calls that could easily go either way, at least they finally added the defensive arc to simplify that.

And of course its toughest at the pro level and now everything's under the instant-replay microscope, its impossible for basically half the fans to not have a gripe.

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fnf wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


And a Sacramento Kings fan can say the same about them losing to the Lakers in 02. So I guess everything is fixed.

That series definitely was fixed

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Smashingweights wrote:
fnf wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


And a Sacramento Kings fan can say the same about them losing to the Lakers in 02. So I guess everything is fixed.

That series definitely was fixed



100% agreed. The only team I can think of that outplayed Stern and gang is the '94 & '95 Rockets. New York was the favorite for a variety of reasons, and Orlando was supposed to be the leagues next dynasty with the new age Magic and Kareem (Penny and Shaq). Point blank, the Rockets beat the odds and the refs behind the play of Olajuwon and a system executed to perfection. Olajuwon was really just that good.

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And John Starks 2-18 in Game 7.....cant mention the 94 finals w/o that. Had nothing to do with Houston's perfection, moreso Riley's insistence of leaving him out there and not putting in Rolando Blackman.

Your still my boy John

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Smashingweights wrote:
fnf wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


And a Sacramento Kings fan can say the same about them losing to the Lakers in 02. So I guess everything is fixed.

That series definitely was fixed


I started watching the NBA in 2000 when I was 9 years old. My first favourite team was the Sacramento Kings with Divac, Webber, Bibby, Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie, Peja and those boys. They played lights out team basketball with ball movement that is still a standard today. Needless to say, I cried when they lost that WCF series against the Lakers in 2002. They got screwed.

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Waittz wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.


I think you can categorize San Antonio as a small market team.

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Gettnitdone wrote:
Waittz wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.


I think you can categorize San Antonio as a small market team.


It's still Texas and considering how they acquired Tim Duncan in the first place only furthers my point of how crocked it all is.

Not like one of the refs who used to officiate the league fixed games or anything.........

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Smashingweights wrote:
Waittz wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.

A levelheaded realistic basketball fan?
Who woulda thought!



Meh, I just know how the American Jew mind works and as a member of the tribe I can tell you that David Stern is just doing what I would do so how couldn't I hate on him for it?

Speaking of David Stern, pretty confident that I can accurately describe how a Jewish guy has been the biggest single influence in the style of today's black youth. Here are the cliff notes:

Ron Artest punches a fat white kid.
To clean up the NBA's thuggish image, Stern implements a dress code
Injured and non dressed for game high profile athletes now have to dress nice
Many hire stylists and begin to competitively one up each other through fashion
Kobe/Wade/lebron/dRose end up on covers of men's fashion mags
Black kids now shop at H&M and wear skinny ties trying to mimic those pizza roll loving OKC boys who wear backpacks to press conference.

......and D Wade wears Capris

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I like the attitude in here :)
Basketball, above all other sports, is the easiest to sway as a ref.
One foul here or there can completely change the game.
A couple of early ticky tack calls and your team is in the bonus with 8 minutes left.

Basketball is a multi billion dollar industry and stern is essentially a CEO.
He's trying to make the most money possible for the NBA and the owners.
Why wouldn't you fix the draft or free agency or a series or two in order to make that happen?
As much as it sucks for us fans it makes sense from a business standpoint
The NBA is a business

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Waittz wrote:
Gettnitdone wrote:
Waittz wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Waitz, hate to beak it to you bud, but that first Heat title with Wade and Shaq was fixed. Dallas was not only the better team, but was up 2-0 when out of nowhere Wade starts getting 20+ ft's a game. That boiled down to Stern seeing Wade as one of the big, young marketable "stars" of the new generation and making him a winner means more potential revenue.


No shit. We still got a championship out of it. Same reason I am not worried about the Heat losing this series. The difference between the Heat and Spurs finals versus the Pacers spurs finals in TV revenue is more than the GDP of some smaller nations.

Think of it this way, since I have been alive('86) only 8 different teams have won the championship none of which were small market teams and 4 of those teams won 3 or less and if Lebron doesnt disapear in the finals in 2011 that list is only 7 teams. in those 27 years 16 times a small market team made it to the finals with 0 wins.


I think you can categorize San Antonio as a small market team.


It's still Texas and considering how they acquired Tim Duncan in the first place only furthers my point of how crocked it all is.

Not like one of the refs who used to officiate the league fixed games or anything.........


You'd be wrong. San Antone floats between the sixth and seventh largest city in the country. It's also the only city I've ever seen other than Portland, OR (in which I lived for about 6 months) that BLEEDS their pro teams colors. It's hard to put into perspective just how devout Spurs fans really are. Same with Portland. Only two cities in the whole country that show/share that kind of loyalty.

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