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thethirdruffian
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countingbeans wrote:

lmao, 9/13/94.



I bet I can find one. Hold up.

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Might not be much help, but the Shotgun News has articles on building AR's all the time. I don't know if you can find old articles on the web or not.

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countingbeans wrote:



http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=429362690

Or just buy a complete weapon and strip it and replace everything:

http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=428768837

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countingbeans wrote:
lmao, 9/13/94.


1894????

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countingbeans wrote:
I haven't had much luck finding a 5.56, 1:7, 16+" barrel without threads... Plus that means assembling the entire upper rather than buying one pre-built. Which might be over my head, lol.



Your best bet might be calling a retailer and letting them find the barrel for you. They'll have a much better idea whats out there than you will.

http://www.proguns.com/...saultrifles.asp

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Dr. Pangloss wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
I haven't had much luck finding a 5.56, 1:7, 16+" barrel without threads... Plus that means assembling the entire upper rather than buying one pre-built. Which might be over my head, lol.



Your best bet might be calling a retailer and letting them find the barrel for you. They'll have a much better idea whats out there than you will.

http://www.proguns.com/...saultrifles.asp


Yeah, the FFL down the street I like a lot, real young guy, takes his time with you, and gave my wife a discount because I give him my business*. So I plan on using him for some stuff, the lower obviously has to come from him lol, it has to be registered. But, he'll also want a $25 fee and a markup so...

I'm going to ask the dude if he wants me to do his books in trade for ammo, lol, next time I have an hour to shoot the shit with him.


edit:*or wants to bone her... either way the pistol was a good price.

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Uncle Gabby wrote:
Might not be much help, but the Shotgun News has articles on building AR's all the time. I don't know if you can find old articles on the web or not.



After like 8 hours of research this weekend, I'm still pretty lost, so sany help is help, lol. Thanks.

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thethirdruffian wrote:
countingbeans wrote:



http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=429362690

Or just buy a complete weapon and strip it and replace everything:

http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=428768837




$700?

Holy shit. I could get a premium 18" barrel and mill off the threads for that price, lol. (Assuming that wouldn't f-up the integrity of the barrel.)

Guess I'm working in the AWB arena, lol.

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countingbeans wrote:
thethirdruffian wrote:
countingbeans wrote:



http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=429362690

Or just buy a complete weapon and strip it and replace everything:

http://www.gunbroker.com/...?Item=428768837




$700?

Holy shit. I could get a premium 18" barrel and mill off the threads for that price, lol. (Assuming that wouldn't f-up the integrity of the barrel.)

Guess I'm working in the AWB arena, lol.


Yeah, but I think you could hook up 30 round mags to this, depending how the MA ban works -- but they have to be "pre ban" too, I bet.

Can you just mill a lower yourself to get around pre-ban? There are kits and it is painfully easy to do. Also, no serial numbers.

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thethirdruffian wrote:
Yeah, but I think you could hook up 30 round mags to this, depending how the MA ban works -- but they have to be "pre ban" too, I bet.


Mags have to be pre-ban in addition to the receiver. (Therefore if the gun wasn't manufactured pre ban, there is zero pre-ban mags for it, so all are illegal. None of the Magpul mags can be pre-ban, etc.)

Can you just mill a lower yourself to get around pre-ban? There are kits and it is painfully easy to do. Also, no serial numbers.


Would still be subject to the AWB as it wasn't lawful owned pre-ban. And would be looking at a felony if ever got pressed without it registered. Have a lot of LEO and former LEO at my range. (Fair amount of CIA & FBI on top of local, lol.)

You've been around these in the service, how hard is the upper to put together?

I'm thinking I will get a kit for the random parts, and get a free float rail (assume the boy will want that) and a complaint barrel/break and just toss that in the kit and toss the barrel that comes with the kit in the safe for another day. My dad says he can pin the front gas block and mussel break for me, but don't want to spend $200 on a barrel and fuck it up either, lol.

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countingbeans wrote:

You've been around these in the service, how hard is the upper to put together?



I can literally do it blindfolded.

There are step-by-step videos on how to do this all day long. Just buy some rifle mags (the paper ones I mean -- like at Barnes & Noble) and look at the ads in the back.

I would probably buy a complete kit (less the lower) and just have at it.

Anyone who can put together a model airplane can put together an AR-15.

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countingbeans wrote:
Mags have to be pre-ban in addition to the receiver. (Therefore if the gun wasn't manufactured pre ban, there is zero pre-ban mags for it, so all are illegal. None of the Magpul mags can be pre-ban, etc.)





To clarify this:

Say the S&W Shield wasn't manufactured until 2001, it couldn't possibly have a legal mag over 10 rounds in MA. The gun wasn't manufactured pre ban. However, if you have date stamped (assuming it isn't bullshit) 30 round mags for your AR that are stamped 1991, they would be legal to have in MA.

The onus for proving the age of mag, how you would do it, or if the state is out looking for this are all gray areas I'm not overly familiar with. However, you get in trouble for something else, they'll put you away with the mandi sentence for the 30 round mag while they build the case for the other crime...



Get this, it is also a gray area with the receiver. The lower is all I have to register. So I buy a stripped, register, build the rifle over the next 12 months... Do I have to "re-register"? Answers will vary, lol.

I need to move to a Free State.

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countingbeans wrote:
I haven't had much luck finding a 5.56, 1:7, 16+" barrel without threads... Plus that means assembling the entire upper rather than buying one pre-built. Which might be over my head, lol.


Look for a Bull barrel or Target barrel. Fluting is nice, a recessed crown is also a good idea.

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thethirdruffian wrote:
countingbeans wrote:

You've been around these in the service, how hard is the upper to put together?



I can literally do it blindfolded.

There are step-by-step videos on how to do this all day long. Just buy some rifle mags (the paper ones I mean -- like at Barnes & Noble) and look at the ads in the back.

I would probably buy a complete kit (less the lower) and just have at it.

Anyone who can put together a model airplane can put together an AR-15.



And from what I understand, I can buy 3 or 4 different kits (not that I would) and all the parts will fit together as long as I have a common gas length system right?

I ask because I'll be getting a barrel separate from the kit (or complete upper) and swapping it out.



Uncle Gabby wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
I haven't had much luck finding a 5.56, 1:7, 16+" barrel without threads... Plus that means assembling the entire upper rather than buying one pre-built. Which might be over my head, lol.


Look for a Bull barrel or Target barrel. Fluting is nice, a recessed crown is also a good idea.



Thank you sir.

While a target or any barrel without a break will look "off" on what the boy is going to want the rest of the rifle to look like, staying away from felony charges is most important.

You guys should see what I have to do to transport to the range, lmao.

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countingbeans wrote:
And from what I understand, I can buy 3 or 4 different kits (not that I would) and all the parts will fit together as long as I have a common gas length system right? I ask because I'll be getting a barrel separate from the kit (or complete upper) and swapping it out.



Theoretically. I would just go get a Windham kit (my persona favorite) or one of the higher end kits, just in case.

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countingbeans wrote:

You guys should see what I have to do to transport to the range, lmao.


I guess you don't just leave it in the rifle rack in your pickup like I do.

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thethirdruffian wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
And from what I understand, I can buy 3 or 4 different kits (not that I would) and all the parts will fit together as long as I have a common gas length system right? I ask because I'll be getting a barrel separate from the kit (or complete upper) and swapping it out.



Theoretically. I would just go get a Windham kit (my persona favorite) or one of the higher end kits, just in case.



Windham is the old bushmaster correct?

I had them on my short list, but haven't gotten to brand yet. Still working out "is this shit going to get me arrested". Then it is on to "hey son, what do you want it to look like?". Then we'll get to brands, lol.



thethirdruffian wrote:
countingbeans wrote:

You guys should see what I have to do to transport to the range, lmao.


I guess you don't just leave it in the rifle rack in your pickup like I do.



Cable lock or pad lock through chamber, in locked case, locked in trunk. Unloaded obvi.

Cable lock isn't part of the law, but I figure, fuck it. I'm not looking to get messed with here.

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countingbeans wrote:

Windham is the old bushmaster correct?


Kind of. It's the old owners of Bushmaster that re-started when their non-competes ran out. Better product than Bushmaster ever was.

I have a CDI that I really enjoy and have killed 20+ coyotes with:

https://www.windhamweaponry.co...

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Uncle Gabby wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
I haven't had much luck finding a 5.56, 1:7, 16+" barrel without threads... Plus that means assembling the entire upper rather than buying one pre-built. Which might be over my head, lol.


Look for a Bull barrel or Target barrel. Fluting is nice, a recessed crown is also a good idea.


I'd give a thumbs down to heavy barrels on an AR. I had one and sold it. Makes the rifle much too heavy, unbalanced, and way less handy.

If you get an 18-20" barrel, and get the Black Hills 77gr match ammo, you may have a chance of stretching out to 600 yards.

I put a build together with a black hole weaponry barrel. Call them and they will make you what you want without threads. You may have to wait a couple months to get it though.

Ranier arms also has a large selection of high quality barrels. Check their website and see what they can do without threads.

Screwing an upper together is easy. There's tutorials all over youtube. You'll spend a bit on some tools, but otherwise, it's pretty straightforward.

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theuofh wrote:
You'll spend a bit on some tools,



Well, after the Son's comes the Wife's, the little Brother's (long story), Daughter's and Mine once I'm in NH, lol.

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countingbeans wrote:
theuofh wrote:
You'll spend a bit on some tools,



Well, after the Son's comes the Wife's, the little Brother's (long story), Daughter's and Mine once I'm in NH, lol.



Says the guy who thought a bolt gun was too expensive. You are going to double that cost by the time you have it setup the way you like.

Get a Geissele trigger up front. It's worth it, especially if you are going to do a longer barrel SPR setup. You'll have two guns in one and it will be plenty accurate for any precision work you want to do.

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theuofh wrote:
Says the guy who thought a bolt gun was too expensive.



lol, yes, however, 1200 spread out over 12 months is different than $700 upfront and more for the optic.

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beans wrote:


edit:*or wants to bone her... either way the pistol was a good price.


Hey, don't let that bother you. You have to make hay with the equipment you happen to have on hand.

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http://tnation.T-Nation.com/..._sense_gun_laws

For anyone looking to discuss the politics of our rights in a hypothetical situation that might not go in that subforum.

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