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stokes1989
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RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Better just nuke the dog from orbit, only way to be sure.


^this

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pushharder
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WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.

My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife... No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family....


If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?


I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don't risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle



Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.



if you opt for a knife and it will be just as effective, if not more.


Not a chance.

If you ever seen big, aggressive dogs go at it you would realize that a knife is a downright puny weapon in that scenario. A pathetically puny weapon.


Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.



I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man's arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn't bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I've been around them. I've seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.


If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn't an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.

Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD "ripping your arm off". Press it right up on the dog's stationary head, point blank. While it's latched onto your arm it won't be thrashing it's head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let's say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn't worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don't forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I'd much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you're being reckless and irresponsible.

A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We're talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I've been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.

As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.


Go back and read my posts again. Apparently you missed them.

As for my surmised confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, you surely have jumped to conclusions that you shouldn't have reached.

Each has its limitations and advantages. One should know them.

However, in this type situation I will firmly reiterate that the gun is the preferred choice of weapon.

Sitting next to me as I type this is a friend of mine who is a US Army personal self defense trainer who has also handled military attack dogs. His response when I described this situation to him and gave him the choice of gun or knife? "I'd take the handgun every single time. People overestimate the effectiveness of a blade against a large fighting animal. You'd have a very tough time incapacitating a dog on the fight with a blade. In fact, it might infuriate him more and aggravate the situation."

With that being said I'd have to go with the idea that YOU are the one being "reckless and irresponsible," or at the very least ignorant and naive.



Let's go into this scenario a little further.

You are walking in a residential area with your small children, wife, and dog. Out of nowhere, a large German Shepherd latches onto your arm. The GSD is not likely to fatally wound you, but could kill your children or dog if given the opporunity. It's currently engaging you, so the threat to life is not currently a factor.

It's thrashing around wildly. You're family is standing within feet of you. If you miss a shot, or a shot over penetrates the animal, you now have a bullet that is heading toward something that is not it's intended target. Your child, wife, dog, or any bystand may be struck with this bullet. This is a risk I am not comfortable with given that my life, nor anyone else's life is currently at risk. That is why I would opt for a knife in this specific scenario.

I'm not arguing that a handgun wouldn't stop a dog. It would. I just wouldn't fire shots at a dog attacking ME when the risk of shooting my child is possible.




When you carefully hypothetically draw up a scenario where you admit shooting your child is a distinct and likely possibility then yes, don't bring or don't draw your handgun. But in real life we don't get to script things just the way we want.

And yes, you did implicitly argue that a handgun wouldn't stop a dog with your inane "Guns just make things bleed" pile of unadulterated horseshit. Do I need to copy and paste?

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pushharder
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Join date: Apr 2005
Location: Montana, USA
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AliveAgain36 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.

My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife... No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family....


If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?


I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don't risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle



Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.



if you opt for a knife and it will be just as effective, if not more.


Not a chance.

If you ever seen big, aggressive dogs go at it you would realize that a knife is a downright puny weapon in that scenario. A pathetically puny weapon.


Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.



I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man's arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn't bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I've been around them. I've seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.


You're right motherfucker... I didn't think it through. I was younger and dumber at the time, and generally don't find myself in situations where I have to deal with large fighting dogs (and am happy about it). We're not all trained ninja's bro.


Listen cocksucker, I wasn't responding to you. Pay attention to the quotes.

Sorry bitch...you were firing blindly with your responses and I guess I couldn't keep up.... Just like I woulda been with a gun in my hand in this situation.... Jk... No disrespect,...


OK, syphilitic cunt hair shed from a leprous, one legged Iraqi street whore, you've got to keep up with the quotes. I fired accurately at WIN and not at your worthless newbie ass.

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Varqanir
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Hey Push.

Sure you can kill a dog with a handgun, as long as it's a wimpy German Shepherd.

Don't try that on a coyote.

Coyotes are tough as fuck.

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Varqanir
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http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...thread?pageNo=5

Epic story

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pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.

My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife... No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family....


If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?


I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don't risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle



Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.



if you opt for a knife and it will be just as effective, if not more.


Not a chance.

If you ever seen big, aggressive dogs go at it you would realize that a knife is a downright puny weapon in that scenario. A pathetically puny weapon.


Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.



I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man's arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn't bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I've been around them. I've seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.


If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn't an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.

Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD "ripping your arm off". Press it right up on the dog's stationary head, point blank. While it's latched onto your arm it won't be thrashing it's head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let's say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn't worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don't forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I'd much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you're being reckless and irresponsible.

A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We're talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I've been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.

As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.


Go back and read my posts again. Apparently you missed them.

As for my surmised confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, you surely have jumped to conclusions that you shouldn't have reached.

Each has its limitations and advantages. One should know them.

However, in this type situation I will firmly reiterate that the gun is the preferred choice of weapon.

Sitting next to me as I type this is a friend of mine who is a US Army personal self defense trainer who has also handled military attack dogs. His response when I described this situation to him and gave him the choice of gun or knife? "I'd take the handgun every single time. People overestimate the effectiveness of a blade against a large fighting animal. You'd have a very tough time incapacitating a dog on the fight with a blade. In fact, it might infuriate him more and aggravate the situation."

With that being said I'd have to go with the idea that YOU are the one being "reckless and irresponsible," or at the very least ignorant and naive.



Let's go into this scenario a little further.

You are walking in a residential area with your small children, wife, and dog. Out of nowhere, a large German Shepherd latches onto your arm. The GSD is not likely to fatally wound you, but could kill your children or dog if given the opporunity. It's currently engaging you, so the threat to life is not currently a factor.

It's thrashing around wildly. You're family is standing within feet of you. If you miss a shot, or a shot over penetrates the animal, you now have a bullet that is heading toward something that is not it's intended target. Your child, wife, dog, or any bystand may be struck with this bullet. This is a risk I am not comfortable with given that my life, nor anyone else's life is currently at risk. That is why I would opt for a knife in this specific scenario.

I'm not arguing that a handgun wouldn't stop a dog. It would. I just wouldn't fire shots at a dog attacking ME when the risk of shooting my child is possible.




When you carefully hypothetically draw up a scenario where you admit shooting your child is a distinct and likely possibility then yes, don't bring or don't draw your handgun. But in real life we don't get to script things just the way we want.

And yes, you did implicitly argue that a handgun wouldn't stop a dog with your inane "Guns just make things bleed" pile of unadulterated horseshit. Do I need to copy and paste?


I'm sure I didn't argue that a handgun wouldn't stop a dog. Please stop making this the focal point of the discussion.

I said HANDGUNS, not all guns. Don't change my argument and then present a counterpoint derived from your fabrication.

Blood loss is what kills people from a gunshot wound. Handguns just aren't as effective as people think they are at causing rapid blood loss required to stop an attacker in a timely manner.

"Barring a hit to the brain, the only way to force incapacitation is to cause sufficient blood loss that the subject can no longer function, and that takes time. Even if the heart is instantly destroyed, there is sufficient oxygen in the brain to support full and complete voluntary action for 10-15 seconds. Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth." - John C. Hall, FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness

So what is the pile of unadulterated horseshit? What other properties of a handgun round contribute to killing someone other than blood loss?

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pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
WN76 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
AliveAgain36 wrote:
Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.

My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife... No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family....


If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?


I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don't risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle



Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.



if you opt for a knife and it will be just as effective, if not more.


Not a chance.

If you ever seen big, aggressive dogs go at it you would realize that a knife is a downright puny weapon in that scenario. A pathetically puny weapon.


Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.



I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man's arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn't bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I've been around them. I've seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.


You're right motherfucker... I didn't think it through. I was younger and dumber at the time, and generally don't find myself in situations where I have to deal with large fighting dogs (and am happy about it). We're not all trained ninja's bro.


Listen cocksucker, I wasn't responding to you. Pay attention to the quotes.

Sorry bitch...you were firing blindly with your responses and I guess I couldn't keep up.... Just like I woulda been with a gun in my hand in this situation.... Jk... No disrespect,...


OK, syphilitic cunt hair shed from a leprous, one legged Iraqi street whore, you've got to keep up with the quotes. I fired accurately at WIN and not at your worthless newbie ass.


Good stuff.. You win. I'm new here.

But for the record, I'm still waiting on the results to confirm syphalus...

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pushharder
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Varqanir wrote:
Hey Push.

Sure you can kill a dog with a handgun, as long as it's a wimpy German Shepherd.

Don't try that on a coyote.

Coyotes are tough as fuck.


You have good memory, Kemosabe.

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Jlabs
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Location: Ontario, CAN
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syphiliti cunt hair one legged iraqi street whore. Holy fack I laughed hard at that one.
I've definitely flying kicked a dumb off leash labrador for trying to eat my puggles neck. Good thing a passerby volunteered to take it in the opposite direction I felt like a mother hen defending a baby.

My shepherd husky who is a beast of a dog doesn't fight unless he is very very threatened he usually enjoys licking children and playing with other dogs. In this situation he thought it was an ideal time to mount and hump the dog lol. Funny visuals I guess it was more of a giant chain of dominance thing. I reigned supreme that day though.

Then the owner of the dog a fat shud drives by and asks if I have seen a dog wandering around, I tell him the stupid sack of shit tried to bite my dog over on a pathway and the stupd fuck says ok thank you and drives off. Fucking fat idiot.

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