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sbearnso
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I am using hour-long walks in the mornings and evenings to drop some fat. For morning walks, is it best to drink Mag10 before, during, or after my walk and before breakfast? Same question for evening walks after dinner before bed...best to have MAG-10 before or after my walk?

I understand you cannot go wrong with Mag-10, but I want to get the most out of my supplement dollar.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

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Chris Shugart
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A NEPA style walk (just a walk or brisk walk, not necessarily "cardio") probably isn't going to cause any catabolism if that's a worry, especially the evening walk.

But if the morning walk is fasted, pre-breakfast, then we'd suggest a serving of Mag-10 upon waking. This will not only prevent any possible muscle loss -- Mag-10 is easily the best anti-catabolic in the market -- but a semi-fasted walk with the right nutrients in you from Mag-10 will actually lead to faster fat loss than a fasted walk.

So, pulse of Mag-10 before the morning walk, and no worries with the evening walk.

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sbearnso
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What about more intense morning conditioning workouts, such as circuits, sprints, or basketball? I could do:

Wake: Indigo-3G plus Mag-10
30 minutes later: Finibar
30 minutes later: Begin workout
After workout: Mag-10
30 minutes later: Scrambled eggs and rice cereal or another Finibar for breakfast

Does this sound like a good plan? How would you improve it?

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Chris Shugart
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That sounds fine. The pre-conditioning Finibar may not even be needed if this is just a shorter energy systems work session. Or maybe half a bar. But I'd definitely get in the Mag-10 beforehand.

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sbearnso
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Do I even qualify to use Plazma?

I see on the label that Plazma is "designed for elite high-performance athletes and serious bodybuilders." It is clear that if I am pushing through an intense heavy workout, I want to use Plazma.

However, I'm just getting back into the routine of lifting. I'm not an elite athlete or bodybuilder...yet. At my current conditioning level, it only takes a few heavy sets of squats, for example, and it is guaranteed that my quads will be sore for a few days. Heavy workouts on a specific body part last only like 20 minutes.

So how should I use Plazma, if at all? Instead of doing splits or individual body parts for each heavy workout, I am considering doing two heavy full body workouts each week...and use Plazma for recovery on those two workouts. Using Plazma more frequently for split workouts comprised of only a few heavy sets of squats or high pulls seems like overkill.

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Eric Buratty
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Anyone with a high training frequency can benefit from using Plazma.

However, you may be able to get the job done from a recovery standpoint with MAG-10 (2 scoops) for workouts under 30 minutes.

sbearnso wrote:
Do I even qualify to use Plazma?

I see on the label that Plazma is "designed for elite high-performance athletes and serious bodybuilders." It is clear that if I am pushing through an intense heavy workout, I want to use Plazma.

However, I'm just getting back into the routine of lifting. I'm not an elite athlete or bodybuilder...yet. At my current conditioning level, it only takes a few heavy sets of squats, for example, and it is guaranteed that my quads will be sore for a few days. Heavy workouts on a specific body part last only like 20 minutes.

So how should I use Plazma, if at all? Instead of doing splits or individual body parts for each heavy workout, I am considering doing two heavy full body workouts each week...and use Plazma for recovery on those two workouts. Using Plazma more frequently for split workouts comprised of only a few heavy sets of squats or high pulls seems like overkill.


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sbearnso
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Thanks for the feedback. I just got back from the gym where I did:

Squats 4x4-6@405
Pull throughs 4x4-5@full stack (210)
Bench 4x3-5@360
Chins 4x5@bodyweight

I had 3 scoops of Plazma, and now I'm having a MAG-10. I didn't push things too hard but my quads have that crampy kind of feeling that indicates I'll probably be sore tomorrow. We'll see if Plazma+MAG-10 alleviates that. I'll do some conditioning workouts with MAG-10 this week and then go heavy again in a few days.

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Chris Shugart
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sbearnso,

For shorter workouts, you may simply want to use 2 servings of Plazma instead of 3: one-preload, one during. You may even find that just the pre-load is all you need for now, then a serving of Mag-10 right after the workout.

Much depends on intensity too. A 20 minute workout may be low volume, but still very intense.

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sbearnso
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Are there any Biotest supplements that help thyroid function?

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Chris Shugart
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sbearnso wrote:
Are there any Biotest supplements that help thyroid function?


We don't have a supplement for thyroid function, but we do have some articles in our archives that may help you out. Just type "thyroid" in our search engine and toggle it over to "articles" once the results pop up.

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sbearnso
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Any problems taking Rez-V and Brain Candy first thing in the morning at roughly the same time?

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Chris Shugart
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sbearnso wrote:
Any problems taking Rez-V and Brain Candy first thing in the morning at roughly the same time?



Nope, no problem at all.

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sbearnso
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I have been using Plazma in and around explosive weight training sessions and MAG-10 for light-weight conditioning sessions. Using Plazma, I find it difficult to get sore from squats, even if I finish with high-rep sets. It's great. No cramps. No soreness. Just a good, tight pump.

Last week with a couple friends, I jogged three miles, which I do not usually do. As a result, my quads were pretty sore for a couple days afterwards. I attribute most of the soreness to just using my muscles differently. But it got me thinking.

Question: For activities that result in muscle soreness, even if it is steady-state and does not involve explosive movements, would Plazma be beneficial and recommended over MAG-10?

In theory, it seems like if I started jogging regularly, I could use Plazma to protect against soreness and then switch to MAG-10 at the point my muscles adapted to the activity.

Does that theory hold water?

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Chris Shugart
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Yes. We've worked with a few extreme endurance athletes and they used Plazma like crazy during their competitions. We're talking ultra-marathons here. For we sane folks, I'd say that just 1 to 2 servings of Plazma would do the trick: one before and one during would be great.

It's hard to avoid some soreness when doing a brand new activity or exercise, but Plazma will still make less annoying and the soreness will go away faster.

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sbearnso
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This week I signed up with a trainer (former BB competitor), who was not familiar with Biotest products and the T-Nation website.

The recommended meal plans and supplements are consistent with my goals, but I want to use Biotest supplements instead of the recommended brand names. The supplements recommended, including multi-mineral, B-vit, BCAA, CLA, glutamine, and Acetly L-Carnitine, are mostly covered by Biotest supps I already take (I3G, CF Brain Candy, Plazma, MAG-10, Flameout, and ElitePro).

But one question: What is the Biotest substitution for NO Explode, Jackd or similar? (I know the efficacy of NO Explode and Jackd is debatable, but their intent is to increase energy and improve focus prior to my late afternoon workout.)

I'm thinking I could take a Spike tablet or Spike Shooter along with my pre-workout Plazma. That should give me the desired effect, right? It's gotta be better than Jackd.

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Chris Shugart
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We do not make an "NO" type of supplement because they simply don't do what they claim as far as muscle building goes. All you really get from them is the caffeine they often cram into those products. That makes them a very pricey way to get caffeine and no other effect. If you just want a pre-workout stimulant, any of the Spike products will be more potent. And keep in mind that you may not need a pre-workout stimulant. Don't use it just because a guru said to; use it only if you truly need it. Some people don't need be jacked up on a stimulant to train; others may only need that on occasion. If you want to to use one, Spike Tablets may be the easiest for you to use since you're already drinking a pre-loading dose of a Plazma before your workouts.

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The Mighty Stu
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sbearnso wrote:
I know the efficacy of NO Explode and Jackd is debatable


Not in actual scientific research journals. There seems to be (in every review I've read) an agreement amongst people not writing ad copy that it does absolutely nothing in terms of muscle growth.

Chris is right in mentioning the usual added caffeine in such products (or Niacin I've noticed). If all you want in a kick in the ass, you have many cheaper (better) alternatives.

S

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jessthebest
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sbearnso wrote:
What about more intense morning conditioning workouts, such as circuits, sprints, or basketball? I could do:

Wake: Indigo-3G plus MAG-10
30 minutes later: Finibar
30 minutes later: Begin workout
After workout: MAG-10
30 minutes later: Scrambled eggs and rice cereal or another Finibar for breakfast

Does this sound like a good plan? How would you improve it?



I'm going to start doing the same thing in the mornings and knock out my metabolic conditioning workouts or swim and then after work do strength training. So with a regiment like this which usually takes 45 minutes or less:

/// 4 rounds, 30 seconds each movement, rest 15 seconds in between, rest 60 seconds at end of set ////
Db thrusters, 25lbs
Tire pushing
Db lat raise, 15lbs
Burpees

/// 4 rounds, 30 seconds each movement, rest 15 seconds in between, rest 60 seconds at end of set ////
Alt kb press, 16kg
Battling ropes
Db front raise, 15lbs
Pushups

Would I follow the same peri-workout protocol as mentioned above doing this workout within 45 minutes of waking up? You said that "the pre-conditioning Finibar may not even be needed if this is just a shorter energy systems work session. Or maybe half a bar. But I'd definitely get in the MAG-10 beforehand." Would this type of session fall into that category?

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Chris Shugart
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Yes, for shorter, but intense conditioning sessons, many people just have a pulse or two of Mag-10. The key is not to do these workouts fasted, which could lead to muscle loss and poor recovery (the old "do cardio fasted for faster fat loss" thing is largely a myth, or at least you can lose fat even faster when you have some nutrition in you and some "protective" carbs.)

For sessions like that - very intense - a full Finibar would be fine too. You just would want to save the Plazma or Surge for your regular strength workouts.

Feel free to experiment. You'll find that sweet spot and right combo that's best for you. Everyone has slightly different preferences and schedules.

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