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Over 50: Supplement Concerns
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buffalokks
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I am 51 years old. I lift 4 times per week using the Boring But Big program. I do a cardio based 1-hour class twice per week. I have also had a minor heart attack, two stents, and have to take meds that try to slow me down.

I drink Surge WOF before and during my workouts, and Surge Recovery shortly after my workouts. Is that the proper use of those two supplements? Any feedback/suggestions would be much appreciated.

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jehovasfitness
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IMO, that's a lot of sugar for someone with past heart issues, guess it depends on the rest of the diet though.

Do you take a multi, fish oil, vitamin D, Co-Q10/Ubiquinol?

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buffalokks
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I do not really have much of a diet program. I try to eat meat and veggies at most meals. One regular soda most days. I don't keep track of calories. I'm about 6'1 and 195 lbs.

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buffalokks
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And no, no fish oil or multi-vitamins or anything else.

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goalachiever
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I dont think you need that stuff
Take fish oil as a supp, you dont need the extra carbs/sugar

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buffalokks
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So you think I don't need either the SWOF or the SR? Just fish oil?

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goalachiever
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That would be my recommendation, but I tend to be conservative when it comes to that stuff.
FIsh oil is pretty optimal for health but the other stuff is just extra.
How much do you spend on it?
Maybe that amount is insignificant to you but I just don't feel as if it is needed.

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tmcguire
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I am 50, and work in Cardiology, though have not had a heart attack. Can we assume that your blood work is within normal ranges? I agree about reducing sugar. I do take one scoop of Surge post work out myself. Just enough.

I also agree with fish oil, and also a multi-vitamin and extra vitamin C. Personally, if I was post stent and HA, I would do so sort of aerobic excercise 5 days a week.

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buffalokks
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Thanks for the feedback, one and all. At this point, I think I'm going to get my doctor/cardiologist involved in this discussion. They know I lift and exercise regularly and encourage me to do so. But the supplement issue is something I have not discussed with them yet.

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tmcguire
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buffalokks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, one and all. At this point, I think I'm going to get my doctor/cardiologist involved in this discussion. They know I lift and exercise regularly and encourage me to do so. But the supplement issue is something I have not discussed with them yet.


Great idea. Good luck man

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jehovasfitness
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buffalokks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, one and all. At this point, I think I'm going to get my doctor/cardiologist involved in this discussion. They know I lift and exercise regularly and encourage me to do so. But the supplement issue is something I have not discussed with them yet.


Good luck with that. Most doctors are clueless about nutrition and supplements

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theBird
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Keep the post workout protein shake, ditch the soda-a-day habit, and start taking fish oil.


*tweet*

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butcherman7
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A little background...

I'm 53 years old and have been lifting 4 times a week for the past 5 years.

Workouts are usually...

1. Squat variation with assistance
2. Horizontal press variation/assistance
3. Deadlift variation/assistance
4. Vertical press variation/assistance

On weekends i do conditioning work via prowler sprints/marches

I have used both Surge Recovery and Surge Workout Fuel and found them to be UNNECESSARY.

What i DO use supplement wise and what i would suggest to you is...

1. Fish oil...Flameout
2. Whey protein...Grow!Whey ( post workout)
3. Creatine..5 g (in post workout shake)
4. Vit D3....5000 iu's daily

Follow a paleo style diet...meat/eggs/veggies/nuts/quality fats...and reward yourself with a damn good cheat meal once a week !!

Now, i DON'T have a heart condition/stents nor take the medications, so, what i would do is take your original post and bring it over to the Modok's Q&A 2 thread and ask Modok for HIS expert opinion !

There is some great stuff going on over there !



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Lykos
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Beyond what everyone else has stated, I think getting some good old bloodwork done along with posting your results up here will go much farther then talk of what you should or should not do. Sure where not doctors, but where not monkeys either.

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RampantBadger
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drop the soda

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jehovasfitness wrote:
buffalokks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, one and all. At this point, I think I'm going to get my doctor/cardiologist involved in this discussion. They know I lift and exercise regularly and encourage me to do so. But the supplement issue is something I have not discussed with them yet.


Good luck with that. Most doctors are clueless about nutrition and supplements


Haha yeah, if I had a heart attack I would definitely listen to T-Nation posters over my cardiologist. That's some sage advice 'jehovasfitness'

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butcherman7
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Proud_Virgin wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
buffalokks wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, one and all. At this point, I think I'm going to get my doctor/cardiologist involved in this discussion. They know I lift and exercise regularly and encourage me to do so. But the supplement issue is something I have not discussed with them yet.


Good luck with that. Most doctors are clueless about nutrition and supplements


Haha yeah, if I had a heart attack I would definitely listen to T-Nation posters over my cardiologist. That's some sage advice 'jehovasfitness'



In regards to cardiology, i tend to agree with you, proud virgin, however...

In regards to nutrition and supplements, i absolutely agree with JF.

Allow me to re-type his post in a way that you may form a more accurate interpretation

"MOST doctors are clueless about NUTRITION and SUPPLEMENTS "

There, you see ?

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butcherman7 wrote:

In regards to cardiology, i tend to agree with you, proud virgin, however...

In regards to nutrition and supplements, i absolutely agree with JF.

Allow me to re-type his post in a way that you may form a more accurate interpretation

"MOST doctors are clueless about NUTRITION and SUPPLEMENTS "

There, you see ?


Allow me to re-type my post in a way that may be easier for you to understand...

"If I had suffered a HEART ATTACK and was AT ALL concerned about SURVIVING, I would listen to my HIGHLY TRAINED CARDIOLOGIST over ANONYMOUS FORUMS POSTERS"

Sure, when it comes to the minutiae of the latest supplements, some posters here may be better informed. But when it comes to making the most out of a damaged heart, you better believe he would do well to follow all doctor's orders.

So what if he isn't able to use SWF? Is that going to make a significant difference for him? Is he really at the level where use of that supplement is going to make or break his progress?

Better to err on the side of caution, than take a risk. Why not have this guy bring the supplement to his MD and have him look over the ingredients. Who knows? Maybe he'll give him the OK. But why take the chance?

There, you see?

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Lykos
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Proud_Virgin wrote:

Allow me to re-type my post in a way that may be easier for you to understand...

"If I had suffered a HEART ATTACK and was AT ALL concerned about SURVIVING, I would listen to my HIGHLY TRAINED CARDIOLOGIST over ANONYMOUS FORUMS POSTERS"

Sure, when it comes to the minutiae of the latest supplements, some posters here may be better informed. But when it comes to making the most out of a damaged heart, you better believe he would do well to follow all doctor's orders.

So what if he isn't able to use SWF? Is that going to make a significant difference for him? Is he really at the level where use of that supplement is going to make or break his progress?

Better to err on the side of caution, than take a risk. Why not have this guy bring the supplement to his MD and have him look over the ingredients. Who knows? Maybe he'll give him the OK. But why take the chance?

There, you see?




Not necessarily, I don't think it's quite cut and dry as you make it seem. Sure a lot of people wouldn't no a damn thing in that specific situation, but if we had 10 cardiologist and 10 well-informed nutritionists with a patient who has already suffered a heart attack. All my money would be on the nutritionist to improving the patients survival outcome over the majority of Cardiologists. If anything Cardiologists will become more like nutritionist with better applicable knowledge of the cardiovascular system.

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Proud_Virgin
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Lykos wrote:
Proud_Virgin wrote:

Allow me to re-type my post in a way that may be easier for you to understand...

"If I had suffered a HEART ATTACK and was AT ALL concerned about SURVIVING, I would listen to my HIGHLY TRAINED CARDIOLOGIST over ANONYMOUS FORUMS POSTERS"

Sure, when it comes to the minutiae of the latest supplements, some posters here may be better informed. But when it comes to making the most out of a damaged heart, you better believe he would do well to follow all doctor's orders.

So what if he isn't able to use SWF? Is that going to make a significant difference for him? Is he really at the level where use of that supplement is going to make or break his progress?

Better to err on the side of caution, than take a risk. Why not have this guy bring the supplement to his MD and have him look over the ingredients. Who knows? Maybe he'll give him the OK. But why take the chance?

There, you see?




Not necessarily, I don't think it's quite cut and dry as you make it seem. Sure a lot of people wouldn't no a damn thing in that specific situation, but if we had 10 cardiologist and 10 well-informed nutritionists with a patient who has already suffered a heart attack. All my money would be on the nutritionist to improving the patients survival outcome over the majority of Cardiologists. If anything Cardiologists will become more like nutritionist with better applicable knowledge of the cardiovascular system.

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