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coolnatedawg
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Bitters also stimulate the vagus nerve which is the nerve responsible for stimulating the secretion of many digestive enzymes as well as promoting the liver to flush itself. Like the lemon drink in the AM.

I believe there is something to the walking but more about helping peristalsis and such. As you move around it helps aid the movement of food

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chillain
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rrjc5488 wrote:
Does anyone here go for walks after they eat? Apparently it can help digestion.


Absolutely confirmed in my experience, and the Thanksgiving holiday is where it really pays noticeable dividends.

Try a group walk after the main meal *plus* one after the dessert spread and see if you can ever go back to walkless feasting.

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SLAINGE
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The Human Food Project

Nobody tells a giraffe how to eat. But for the first time in history, humans donā??t know what to eat. We no longer know what human food is.

In just a few thousand centuries, our kind has gone from nesting in trees, to making stone tools and digging roots, to kindling fires, to subduing flora and fauna, to finally erecting massive cities and dropping rovers onto distant planets. For most of this evolution, our super organism (us and our microbes) adapted to a nutritional and cultural landscape that literally changed at a glacial pace.

But more recently, rapid adoption of technology and need to feed a growing population a shelf-stable food supply, along with hyper-sanitized food and water, increasing rates of c-section births, formula in lieu of breast milk and antibiotics for every sniffle, we are now out of sync not only with the natural world, but with the microbial world as well. Therefore, it is correct to say that a great many diseases of the modern world represent a discordance with the ancient microbial world...


Worth a look for those interested in Gut Health. Btw it's not another paleo thing but a serious look at how our guts should be or could be with changing diets or with dietary interventions.


Quick article in Science Magazine (time spent with the Hadza Tribe)

http://humanfoodproject.com/...Focus_Leach.pdf


In depth description of the above...

http://humanfoodproject.com/...me-world-heard/


Great site well worth a look!

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SLAINGE
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Looks like the first link didn't work but you'll find it on this page

http://humanfoodproject.com/...n-food-project/

then scroll down and click 1. Hadzabe of Tanzania

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Found this thread while searching for SIBO-related information. Thought I'd resurrect this thread to contribute to it.

To cut a long story short: I have SIBO and a host of other maladies that have been fucking up my life for the better part of three years now.

Let's get started with listing a few SIBO-related symptoms, anecdotes and factoids, in no particular order.

1. Extreme abdominal bloating: my gut circumference can increase by about 16 inches without having eaten a comparable volume of food. Sometimes this just happens after drinking a few glasses of water, regardless of the water being warm or cold.

2. Temporary fat man biomechanics: waddle-waddle, stumble-stumble, almost tipping over when climbing steps, shortness of breath.

3. Indigestion: sometimes constipation, sometimes diarrhea, but always incomplete evacuation. Shitty BMs, to say the least. On some days, I can't have a BM without an enema.

4. Fat gain: Since mid 2011, I've gained almost 40 lbs without having changed my training or diet parameters. Some of it is muscle, but I'd daresay it's at least 30 lbs of fat I put on.

5. Apparently, gut problems affect my psyche: every time I'm symptom-free, I'm my usual happy and upbeat self. Once zhe bloat rears its ugly head, my mood worsens. I have a good handle on it since I can compartmentalize and rely on an analytical mindset, but the fact remains: I become a dampened-down version of who I really am. And it shows.

6. I'm only symptom-free during and shortly after a course of the antibiotic rifaxmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/.../wiki/Rifaximin

7. I've dabbled in pre- and probiotics: soil-based organisms have been most promising in this regard, but still a let-down in the end.

8. After conventional docs and medcare couldn't help, I've spent most of my money on doctors who couldn't help, all the while self-educating myself about this crap. To no avail. I literally wasted the equivalent of 2-3 mid-range muscle cars on this shit. Shit.

9. I used to be a management consultant and travelled a lot. I still vividly remember how I wouldn't fit in my suit one morning before I had to give a crucial presentation before an exec board. Thank you, extreme abdominal bloating. I put on my sweatpants, waddled out of the hotel over to the next pharmacy, bought a disposable enema. Back in my suite, I tried applying the enema, but both my bulging belly as well as my bulging biceps and bulging lats made the act of sticking the enema up my butt very herculean.
Once done, nothing happened. I walked around, did a few squats and jumping jacks - still nada. Decided I'd need additional enemas. Waddled waddle-a-waddling to the same pharmacy and ended up applying four additional enemas (that's 1000 ml of water for you) until I finally had a BM. The bloat dissolved some. I wriggled into my suit, still looking like the fattest ass ever - hello, Michelin Man. Got in the car, drove to the client, parked the car, got out - and zhe bloat was back, even worse than before.

10. Diet-wise, I tolerate meat and poultry, jasmin rice and glucose and some salad. Fibre, fructose and starchy stuff is the worst I can give my gut. I miss my veggies. I miss my taters. I haven't been eating bread for about 10 years (with a few exceptions in early 2011 when I dabbled in nutrition partitioning agents - I'm still undecided on whether that high-carb phase triggered my SIBO).

11. It's also of special note, that roughly 20% of T4 conversion to active thyroid hormone takes place in the gut. Did someone say vicious circle?

12. Lately, the bloat's become so bad that I can't even train or leave the house when bloated. Sometimes, the Temporary Fat Man Biomechanics become so bad that the outer top of my right foot gets numb - some pinched nerve in my lower back would be my educated guess (had a few disc herniations in the L4/5 and L5/S1 areas over the years).

13. Digestive enzymes didn't do zilch. Dito Betaine HCL.

14. Ever since getting some thyroid medication, my digestion improved some and my wound healing is through the roof (which had been horrible since 2005). The bloating perseveres, though and my BMs are still shitty.

15. Sometimes, pressed garlic mixed in warm water can do the trick to stave-off zhe bloat - for a day, that is. That would be due to the allicin produced by pressing garlic - allicin being a natural antibiotic.


Mebbe someone can weigh in on all this crap.

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xXSeraphimXx
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FattyFat wrote:
Found this thread while searching for SIBO-related information. Thought I'd resurrect this thread to contribute to it.

To cut a long story short: I have SIBO and a host of other maladies that have been fucking up my life for the better part of three years now.

Let's get started with listing a few SIBO-related symptoms, anecdotes and factoids, in no particular order.

1. Extreme abdominal bloating: my gut circumference can increase by about 16 inches without having eaten a comparable volume of food. Sometimes this just happens after drinking a few glasses of water, regardless of the water being warm or cold.

2. Temporary fat man biomechanics: waddle-waddle, stumble-stumble, almost tipping over when climbing steps, shortness of breath.

3. Indigestion: sometimes constipation, sometimes diarrhea, but always incomplete evacuation. Shitty BMs, to say the least. On some days, I can't have a BM without an enema.

4. Fat gain: Since mid 2011, I've gained almost 40 lbs without having changed my training or diet parameters. Some of it is muscle, but I'd daresay it's at least 30 lbs of fat I put on.

5. Apparently, gut problems affect my psyche: every time I'm symptom-free, I'm my usual happy and upbeat self. Once zhe bloat rears its ugly head, my mood worsens. I have a good handle on it since I can compartmentalize and rely on an analytical mindset, but the fact remains: I become a dampened-down version of who I really am. And it shows.

6. I'm only symptom-free during and shortly after a course of the antibiotic rifaxmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/.../wiki/Rifaximin

7. I've dabbled in pre- and probiotics: soil-based organisms have been most promising in this regard, but still a let-down in the end.

8. After conventional docs and medcare couldn't help, I've spent most of my money on doctors who couldn't help, all the while self-educating myself about this crap. To no avail. I literally wasted the equivalent of 2-3 mid-range muscle cars on this shit. Shit.

9. I used to be a management consultant and travelled a lot. I still vividly remember how I wouldn't fit in my suit one morning before I had to give a crucial presentation before an exec board. Thank you, extreme abdominal bloating. I put on my sweatpants, waddled out of the hotel over to the next pharmacy, bought a disposable enema. Back in my suite, I tried applying the enema, but both my bulging belly as well as my bulging biceps and bulging lats made the act of sticking the enema up my butt very herculean.
Once done, nothing happened. I walked around, did a few squats and jumping jacks - still nada. Decided I'd need additional enemas. Waddled waddle-a-waddling to the same pharmacy and ended up applying four additional enemas (that's 1000 ml of water for you) until I finally had a BM. The bloat dissolved some. I wriggled into my suit, still looking like the fattest ass ever - hello, Michelin Man. Got in the car, drove to the client, parked the car, got out - and zhe bloat was back, even worse than before.

10. Diet-wise, I tolerate meat and poultry, jasmin rice and glucose and some salad. Fibre, fructose and starchy stuff is the worst I can give my gut. I miss my veggies. I miss my taters. I haven't been eating bread for about 10 years (with a few exceptions in early 2011 when I dabbled in nutrition partitioning agents - I'm still undecided on whether that high-carb phase triggered my SIBO).

11. It's also of special note, that roughly 20% of T4 conversion to active thyroid hormone takes place in the gut. Did someone say vicious circle?

12. Lately, the bloat's become so bad that I can't even train or leave the house when bloated. Sometimes, the Temporary Fat Man Biomechanics become so bad that the outer top of my right foot gets numb - some pinched nerve in my lower back would be my educated guess (had a few disc herniations in the L4/5 and L5/S1 areas over the years).

13. Digestive enzymes didn't do zilch. Dito Betaine HCL.

14. Ever since getting some thyroid medication, my digestion improved some and my wound healing is through the roof (which had been horrible since 2005). The bloating perseveres, though and my BMs are still shitty.

15. Sometimes, pressed garlic mixed in warm water can do the trick to stave-off zhe bloat - for a day, that is. That would be due to the allicin produced by pressing garlic - allicin being a natural antibiotic.


Mebbe someone can weigh in on all this crap.



1) What is your diet like?

2) What kind of probiotics where you taking?

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Fletch1986
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I've been having really good luck with chicken broth and jello. I'm not sure why, I just know that elderly people with GI issues like it so I thought I'd try it and it works pretty well. I've read that that they both draw water into the gut which helps with digestion and they both have gelatin which helps heal the lining of the gut but I'm uncertain as to how reliable those sources are. A heating pad on my stomach works real well at night or whenever I have a bad stomach day. 10-15 minutes makes a big difference for a couple of hours.

I might have mentioned it on this thread before, but ultimately a year long round with pharma is what helped me more than anything. A low dose of the tricyclic antidepressant amitryptaline. This was after a battery of test for my blood work and gall bladder. Gall bladder because severe pain and discomfort were one of my symptoms and there's a history in my family but it turned out that wasn't the issue.

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SLAINGE
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FattyFat wrote:
Mebbe someone can weigh in on all this crap.


I wont claim to know anything about your condition but I will offer you up this information that I found that is very interesting.

Resistant Starch

What does the research say?

Preferentially feeds 'good' bacteria responsible for butyrate production. It even promotes greater butyrate production than other prebiotics. Since the resident gut flora produce the butyrate, and everyone has different levels of the different flora, the degree of butyrate production varies according to the individual, but resistant starch consistently results in lots of butyrate across nearly every subject who consumes it. Butyrate is crucial because it's the prime energy source of our colonic cells (almost as if they're designed for steady exposure to butyrate!), and it may be responsible for most of the other RS-related benefits.

Improves insulin sensitivity. Sure enough, it improves insulin sensitivity, even in people with metabolic syndrome.

Improves the integrity and function of the gut. Resistant starch basically increases colonic hypertrophy, making it more robust and improving its functionality. It also inhibits endotoxin from getting into circulation and reduces leaky gut, which could have positive ramifications on allergies and autoimmune conditions.

Lowers the blood glucose response to food. One reason some people avoid even minimal amounts of carbohydrate is the blood glucose response; theirs is too high. Resistant starch lowers the postprandial blood glucose spike. This reduction may also extend to subsequent meals.

Reduces fasting blood sugar. This is one of the most commonly mentioned benefits of RS, and the research seems to back it up.

Increases satiety. In a recent human study, a large dose of resistant starch increased satiety and decreased subsequent food intake.

May preferentially bind to and expel 'bad' bacteria (this may be of interest to you). This is only preliminary, but there's evidence that resistant starch may actually treat small intestinal bacterial overgrowth by 'flushing' the pathogenic bacteria out in the feces. It's also been found to be an effective treatment for cholera when added to the rehydration formula given to patients; the cholera bacteria attach themselves to the RS granules almost immediately for expulsion.

Enhances magnesium absorption. Probably because it improves gut function and integrity, resistant starch increases dietary magnesium absorption.

What do user anecdotes say?

Improves body composition. I've heard reports of lowered body fat and increased lean mass after supplementing with or increasing dietary intake of RS. Seeing as how RS consumption promotes increased fat oxidation after meals, this appears to be possible or even likely.

Improves thyroid function. Many RS supplementers have noted increases in body temperature, a rough indicator of thyroid function.

Improves sleep, conferring the ability to hold and direct (in real time) private viewings of vivid movie-esque dreams throughout the night. I've noticed this too and suspect it has something to do with increased GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) from the increased butyrate. Another possibility is that resistant starch is feeding serotonin-producing gut bacteria, and the serotonin is being converted to melatonin when darkness falls.

Increases mental calm. Many people report feeling very 'zen' after increasing RS intake, with reductions in anxiety and perceived stress. The latest science indicates that our gut flora can impact our brain, and specific probiotics are being explored as anti-anxiety agents, so these reports may very well have some merit.


Where do you get it?

The richest food sources are raw potatoes, green bananas, plantains, cooked-and-cooled potatoes, cooked-and-cooled-rice, parboiled rice, and cooked-and-cooled legumes.

The most reliable way to get lots of RS, fast, is with raw potato starch. There are about 8 grams of RS in a tablespoon of the most popular brand: Bob's Red Mill Unmodified Potato Starch. It's also available at Whole Foods.


If you have'nt tired yet here's another read...

Gut Instincts. Your Second Brain.
http://neurosciencestuff.tumbl...

Some thought provoking ideas indeed...

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SLAINGE
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Resistant Starch Vid

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